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Mario VS Sonic: Villains Edition

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Also if we wanna use minions as arguments now Bowser uses Grand Star empowered airships that he has (Junior uses one in SMG1) to just sweep with numbers in Low 2-C.
 
4-A Overlord was accepted by other staff while ago, Dark being one of them, and I don't think minions is allowed, what I said were Eggman inventions and that is a reasoning, not a good one, a pretty bad one actually, but it is one
 
Dark649 didn't agree with you.

Yeah and he's one person. Granted so am I but that's stalemating in staff.

Except you were the only one who didn't agree, Dark himself made the changes a few months ago
 
What are the reasonings for Eggman again? The only thing that I remember were mindhax (Which it doesn't seem like he uses it too often) and copying Bowser. Bowser has beaten copies of himself before, so I don't see what this does. If the point is that Eggman's robots or Eggman himself can mindhax Bowse, Bowser would probably summon his minions before fighting, due to his Extraordinary Genius intellect. Yes, Metal Overlord can beat Kamek, but he will take some time to transform. In that time, King Boo can create a portal that can one-shot Metal. Bowser also has som hax of his own. Time Eater's main ability (EE) is essentially useless as Bowser resists it.

Time Eater can't travel back and time and kill Baby Bowser due to Type 1 Acausality. Bowser can also manipulate time, so he can possibly counter TE's own time abilities. As said before, Eggman can't BFR Bowser, because Bowser can create holes in space-time to escape. And like I said before, Bowser's not haxless. He has plenty of options to end the fight. Plot Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, EE, and Mindhax of his own are all viable options. Eggman has to rely on his Mindhax as he can't really beat Bowser by AP, considering his Invulnerability.
 
The real cal howard said:
That was like, a month ago. And I still stand by my reasoning that if Metal Overlord scales, no one scales.
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That was accepted and Dark made a big post explaining why.
 
But yeah the main reasonings for Eggman winning is mindhax and stalling due to the Chao. Which he can't do from Time Eater. Everything else literally gets destroyed by Bowser roaring due to AoE and Low 2-C potency.

Speaking of which, nothing's stopping Bowser from just killing the Chao and it's fully in character because you know...evil.

Also shouldn't bowser be 3x stronger given he ate 3 Grand Stars?
 
The Op is not supposed to vote, the copys are distractioons, since he has to beat them and the Time Eater, you need to prove that he would do that in character, and Metal can transform pretty fast as well, Bowser isn't invulnerable for long, plot manipulation is pretty useless otherwise Mario would never beat him

Eggman can do way more than mind hax here, plus the mind hax is pretty fast as well, he can just sneak up Bowser like he did with Sonic

Stop being salty to the point of saying Eggman's votes aren't valid
 
Shouldn't Bowser be stronger then Rosalina since in Galaxy 2 he was sucking up her power from the Comet Observatory and Rosalina couldn't stop it
 
The copies don't even serve as distractions as they can do literally nothing to him. Only, and I repeat, only, Time Eater can hurt Bowser here. Mindhax from the Egg Mobile is the only way Eggman can win out of the Time Eater. It's one to two options out of the plethora Bowser has.
 
Unoriginal Memes said:
Not voting. Did I say "I'm voting for Bowser"? I'm only debating. There is no rule against the OP arguing.
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You are saying Bowser has more ways to win, that's saying Bowser will win here

Plus now we are in grace again for Eggman

Eggman-12

Bowser-9
 
Theuser789 said:
Bowser never ate 3 Grande Stars, he always used one in every fight in Galaxy 2
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He ate one in each battle, and they're not the same one. Not a stretch to say he could shove the three he ate down his gullet at once.
 
Genericstickman said:
Shouldn't Bowser be stronger then Rosalina since in Galaxy 2 he was sucking up her power from the Comet Observatory and Rosalina couldn't stop it
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Rosalina wasn't in 2 until the last couple seconds though.
 
He ate one in each battle, and they're not the same one. Not a stretch to say he could shove the three he ate down his gullet at once.

Bowser has a Grand Star, plus he never did so

The Bowser clones are equal in strengh to Bowser

Base Bowser doesn't have EE, even Dreamy Bowser only has possible EE
 
The real cal howard said:
Genericstickman said:
Shouldn't Bowser be stronger then Rosalina since in Galaxy 2 he was sucking up her power from the Comet Observatory and Rosalina couldn't stop it
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Rosalina wasn't in 2 until the last couple seconds though.
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It was shown in a cutscene that he was sucking up a comet, in a later cutscene it's shown to actually be the Comet Observatory with Rosalina in it
 
The Stats Are equalized, And Eggman has access to all of his inventions.

Speed is equal, not stats, plus the Egg Salamender is 2-C, with it this match is a stomp
 
The Stats Are equalized, And Eggman has access to all of his inventions.

No they're not. Anything above Low 2-C is excluded.
 
Unoriginal Memes said:
ZaStando votes for something Eggman doesn't even have and Imagine votes for the reasons ZaStando presented.
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Imagine voted FRA, plus Eggman does have the Ruby plus the Time Eater
 
Okay then, if that is the Case, Eggman could still win Using a conjunction of inventions and the Phantom Ruby (several clones) for assistances.
 
The EE comes directly from the Grand Star's profile: "Can create dark matter that erases anything it touches from existence ".
 
Dude. SBA. 4KM.

The roars offer noticeable pushback to High 4-Cs. Now take that and increase it literally infinitely.
 
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