Mario Vs. Arceus

[Bobsican]

With all the buffs Mario has obtained, I feel like this is worth a try.

Is Arceus still the strongest Nintendo character?

Both at 2-B, speed equalized, Arceus is without plates.

The red plumber

The Original Spirit


Let's-a go!

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Don't kill Cal dude

 

[Bobsican]

I regret nothing.

It seems most adminst have gone to sleep already, however, so I guess this match will be for tomorrow, including me, as I´m going to sleep too.

Good night.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Wait so Arceus has no plates at all?

 

[Bobsican]

Wait so Arceus has no plates at all?

Well, I feel like if he has the plates, he stomps.

Please correct me if I´m wrong.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The guy who was losing against Steve vs the guy who was beating Tokyo Babel god

Hmmm

 

[Bobsican]

Just checked the Steve thread.

It seems it´s going to go about the same way here, hopefully fair enought to continue.

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[GyroNutz]

Arceus flicks Mario with sheer AP, probably has a bunch of other ways to win too.

 

[Bobsican]

Mario is often said to be high in 2-B, he should have some workarounds.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Arceus AP and haxstomps.

 

[GyroNutz]

He's not Arceus levels of 2-B tho

 

[Bobsican]

Mario can still ignore durability and use Cappy to possess him.

 

[GyroNutz]

Oh yeah, I'm sure Mario's gonna get a chance to hit Arceus with his 'tens of meters' range.

 

[Bobsican]

He can just teleport to stay closer to Arceus.

 

[GyroNutz]

I don't remember Mario ever being able to freely teleport, let alone doing it in character + over a gap of 4KM. But alright, what's his method of teleportation?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Tens of meters range against an omnipresent...

 

[Bobsican]

He simply summons a pipe to travel to another place.

 

[GyroNutz]

That... would cover 4KM, but it'd also take too long. Also Arceus has precognition and can teleport away to safety, where Mario can't reach him, whether that'd be going another 4KM away or sniping from another universe.

 

[Bobsican]

Tens of meters range against an omnipresent...

Arceus can´t do omnipresent attacks really.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Once again, Arceus is omnipresent. Mario needs multiversal range which he doesn't have.

 

[GyroNutz]

Keep in mind that I'm only arguing for if Arceus uses AP. If Arceus so much as looks at Mario, all his memories and thoughts get wiped.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Arceus can´t do omnipresent attacks really.

Why not? He exists everywhere and everywhen so he could attack Mario in any point in space and time.

 

[Bobsican]

The pillow thing from Dream Team explained that the pipes can sometimes just teleport the user to the desired place, basically as if entering a portal.

As for the range, well, being 2-B should cover that.

 

[GyroNutz]

Being 2-B =/= having 2-B range.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

How is using pipes going to keep up with someone who is omnipresent?

 

[GyroNutz]

Oh btw, forgot to mention that Cappy wouldn't work on a non-corporeal

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

In conclusion, Arceus utterly roflstomps and this should be closed.

 

[Bobsican]

How is using pipes going to keep up with someone who is omnipresent?

So he can dodge his judgements and other stuff.

Lastly, he can open gates to other dimensions, so he should have Multiversal range via this.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

And how is that faster than just throwing any attack when you exist everywhere?

 

[GyroNutz]

Pure Hearts also don't have multiversal range.

 

[Bobsican]

And how is that faster than just throwing any attack when you exist everywhere?

Can do an attack anywhere =/= undodgeable attacks.

The Pure Hearts profile doesn´t even have a range section, so please explain.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Forget the fact that Arceus outclasses Mario in AP and range, how is Mario going to deal with the hax?

 

[GyroNutz]

Weighing up Mario's options here, disregarding anything AP based for obvious reasons:

• Afterimage creation: Arceus is omnipresent + has danmaku + Mario has weak afterimages.
• Sleep Manipulation: Arceus resists
• Summoning: Pocket chomps won't cut it here, but Arceus can summon the CT
• Anything to do with time: Arceus is omnipresent through time and should be able to resist Dialga's far superior time based abilities
• Possession: Arceus is non-corporeal, so Cappy won't work. Even then it hasn't worked on beings immensely stronger than Mario.
• Sealing: Catch cards have no feats on a 2-B level and I believe they need contact, which won't work cause non-corporeal
• Mind Control: Far inferior to the Lake Trio's, Arceus won't care + he has forcefields which stop mind attacks.
• Transmutation: All of Mario's forms of transmutation require contact, and Arceus is non-corporeal
• Anything Mario resists from Arceus: Arceus negates.
• Any of the above powers: Arceus can power null, see it coming with precognition and would also kill and/or memory wipe pretty much the instant the battle starts, not even factoring in Mario's pathetic range at this level.

 

[Bobsican]

Let´s start with the basics.

How many ways Arceus has to one shot Mario?

 

[GyroNutz]

The Pure Hearts profile doesn´t even have a range section, so please explain.

Because the Pure Hearts have no showings of multiversal range?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

If Arceus so much as looks at Mario, all his memories and thoughts get wiped.

Marios memories and thoughts yes? Becaus this wouldnt remotely work against Arceus.

 

[GyroNutz]

Marios memories and thoughts yes? Becaus this wouldnt remotely work against Arceus.

Yeah, I'm talking about Mario's

 

[Bobsican]

Because the Pure Hearts have no showings of multiversal range?

Assuming Arceus just went to his own dimension to nuke Mario there, Mario can follow him by using them to make a gate to go there.