Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

[Echitesu]

Can someone tell me why "Source" is the fundamental aspect of a character when there is no Source scale that maintains the existence of the character and the Source's independence from the character it governs?

 

[Deleted member 40129]

Can someone tell me why "Source" is the fundamental aspect of a character when there is no Source scale that maintains the existence of the character and the Source's independence from the character it governs?

What? I am sorry, can you rephrase that question?

 

[ROZAN-U]

Can someone tell me why "Source" is the fundamental aspect of a character when there is no Source scale that maintains the existence of the character and the Source's independence from the character it governs?

cause the novel says so and it does exactly what you're saying it doesn't Source maintaining existence of character is already accepted in some previous thread , only reason why character have high godly ,mid godly regen and immortaliy type 8
as for being independence from character it governs , it can be independent but due to influence from fire dew (order of source) the source returns to heaven and reincarnates again.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Can someone tell me why "Source" is the fundamental aspect of a character when there is no Source scale that maintains the existence of the character and the Source's independence from the character it governs?

you cannot be serious.

 

[Deleted member 40129]

you cannot be serious.

Maybe he is just disoriented by the profiles.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Maybe he is just disoriented by the profiles.

doubt. VERY much doubt dude.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Maybe he is just disoriented by the profiles.

if that was the case I don’t think anyone would say 'there is no source scale', nobody talks like that

 

[Deleted member 40129]

doubt. VERY much doubt dude.

We should trust the process, dude. He will eventually join our ranks and become a true wanker, free from the shackles of VSBW terms and regulations.

 

[Tatsumi504]

source scale'

tf is this even supposed to mean?

 

[ElPapucho80]

Can someone tell me why "Source" is the fundamental aspect of a character when there is no Source scale that maintains the existence of the character and the Source's independence from the character it governs?

Tas fumado hijito

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

tf is this even supposed to mean?

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING..

 

[Deleted member 40129]

tf is this even supposed to mean?

He probably meant source code or something along the lines of fundamental characteristics.

 

[Caduz213]

My bad I read it wrong. It's not listed yet. So don't have a exact time period for that. So not sure about it's coming out in April

There is a chance it will be in April, in fact

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[Dark_Soul20189]

Hello everyone, I have created a small debunk that will remove Information type 2 from magic

Here

Thread 'Magic Formulas are not IM 2'

Feb 6, 2025

This one is a quick one.

Verse - Maou Gakuin
Page - Magic Physiology

Here is the thing that currently grants the entire verse IM 2

Magic & Information Manipulation (Type 2; At the core of every spell there is an existing theoretical and practical formula that allows it to function. A magical blueprint that determines the function of the magic. In addition, altering the spell formula changes the properties of the magic itself)

As we can see in the scans the entirety of the Type 2 comes from it being a magic formula, and that simply...

• Dark_Soul20189
• dowgrade information type 2 magic maou gakuin no futekigousha
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• Forum: Content Revision

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I do hope you share your thoughts here, but please make a Summary argument and provide scans for it if you have them before we truly start the debate to make it easier for all parties.

 

[ElPapucho80]

Save the verse

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Discord votes shouldn't be counted as far as I remember. Well whatever

 

[Huesito88]

Discord votes shouldn't be counted as far as I remember. Well whatever

I would've liked a scan of DT's agreement atleast

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Discord votes shouldn't be counted as far as I remember. Well whatever

What in the ENTIRE fu-

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I would've liked a scan of DT's agreement atleast

Well DT vote seems to be used as a click bait to get other staffs votes
DT isn't even knowledgeable on the verse nor participated in previous threads to know the context. So no matter what you explain in discord it ain't gonna fill the context for downgrade.

Ultima agreed with Graham nothingness being high outer in discord I guess time to count his vote.

 

[Huesito88]

Well DT vote seems to be used as a click bait to get other staffs votes
DT isn't even knowledgeable on the verse nor participated in previous threads to know the context. So no matter what you explain in discord it ain't gonna fill the context for downgrade.

DT has arrived

Post in thread 'Magic Formulas are not IM 2'

Feb 7, 2025

I didn't really comment on this verse in particular on discord, but from what I see in the debate this should be removed, yes.

And this literally goes against what is in the Wiki description, VBW itself literally has one of the "possible uses" a description of what magical formulas are:

Something being a possible use of an ability does not mean that having that grants the ability. E.g. a possible use of plot manipulation is altering concepts, but that does not mean that you get plot manipulation just by altering concepts. You actually have to meet all the requirements for plot...

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[EldemadeDityjon]

DT has arrived

Post in thread 'Magic Formulas are not IM 2'

Feb 7, 2025

I didn't really comment on this verse in particular on discord, but from what I see in the debate this should be removed, yes.

And this literally goes against what is in the Wiki description, VBW itself literally has one of the "possible uses" a description of what magical formulas are:

Something being a possible use of an ability does not mean that having that grants the ability. E.g. a possible use of plot manipulation is altering concepts, but that does not mean that you get plot manipulation just by altering concepts. You actually have to meet all the requirements for plot...

• DontTalkDT

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Funny how DT admitted that on Discord he hasn't agreed with the removal for this specific verse.
But OP used DT vote as agree.

Votes
Agree - @DontTalkDT (Agreed on discord - Vote will be removed if more evidence is provided {Please ping him to confirm} ),

DT may have come and agreed after looking at the current arguments in the thread, but it still feels like OP wasn’t honest when he tried to count Discord votes without DT’s consent.

By the way, Dog and the others are not addressing the main point. I’m not really interested in this topic either, so even though I’d like to point out why it still qualifies for Information Type 2 with context, I just don’t have the motivation to do so.

Also, Ultima suggested giving limited Information Type 2 for these magic formulas when we asked him, using the same thing that is present in the profiles. I don't care currently as I said if someone wants to argue they can do so.

 

[Robo432343]

dark soul put DT in the agree section to bait other staff members and normal members into agreeing with the thread

 

[Huesito88]

Welp it seems that thread will go through, I wonder if there's any fair matches that can be done now

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Welp it seems that thread will go through, I wonder if there's any fair matches that can be done now

Nothing changes much spirits stilll has information type 2

 

[ROZAN-U]

Nothing changes much spirits stilll has information type 2

if we give source info 2 in future , spell formula should also be given. They work in similar way

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Question, how do Spirits, gain their AE 1 from information?

If it's from being akin, to magic that will also get nuked.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Question, how do Spirits, gain their AE 1 from information?

If it's from being akin, to magic that will also get nuked.

be more on the nose why don't you...

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

be more on the nose why don't you...

No worries, I am only here for the IM 2, after that, I will focus on other verses.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

No worries, I am only here for the IM 2, after that, I will focus on other verses.

none at all, you're the least egregious person I've seen tackle this, nice to see you being a swell individual

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

No worries, I am only here for the IM 2, after that, I will focus on other verses.

but just to ask, are you questioning if spirits are akin to magic or 'akin' as in like something in general, cause it's neither

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

but just to ask, are you questioning if spirits are akin to magic or 'akin' as in like something in general, cause it's neither

I am just questioning where they get their IM 2 from,

• Abstract Existence (Type 1; Information, Stories, Emotions, Beliefs; Spirits are strange creatures, their existence is said to be akin to magic itself. Their existence is said to come from the hearts of others. Legends, folklore, rumors, fears, beliefs, aspirations, Spirits are the realization and embodiment of these)

Nothing from the separate scans proves that they are part information, So I am worried that it comes from the phrase "Their existence is akin to magic itself" since that would also remove the IM 2 from Spirits.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

if we give source info 2 in future , spell formula should also be given. They work in similar way

Really don't care about Magic formulas but I'll discuss the Source stuff with Darkgrath first personally. Don't want some guy to spam "there is no direct statement like my favourite verse". When even staff like Ultima said there is no need for directly stated to be qualify something to information type 2.

 

[DemonKing021]

if we give source info 2 in future , spell formula should also be given. They work in similar way

Hey, can you give me the link for the raws of light novel? I think you shared it in the discord but i forgot in which section.

 

[ROZAN-U]

Hey, can you give me the link for the raws of light novel? I think you shared it in the discord but i forgot in which section.

yeah sent it in dms

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

But the AE is not getting nuked, just the information part right?

Yeah, that is what I said. It's just the information part from it, if the only evidence comes from being akin to magic.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I am just questioning where they get their IM 2 from,

Nothing from the separate scans proves that they are part information, So I am worried that it comes from the phrase "Their existence is akin to magic itself" since that would also remove the IM 2 from Spirits.

Akin ≠ They are the same (not always)

Spirits' fundamental concepts are formed by rumors, legends, or stories. Magic is something produced as an energy source, and both are different things. Here, 'magic' refers to magical phenomena, not the literal magic that characters use to perform certain actions. Also, there is no need for a direct statement that stories are made up of information—it is common sense that rumors, legends, and stories are of the same kind. All that matters is if those things are acting as a fundamental basic for the characters which here does.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Spirits' fundamental concepts are formed by rumors, legends, or stories. Magic is something produced as an energy source, and both are different things. Here, 'magic' refers to magical phenomena, not the literal magic that characters use to perform certain actions. Also, there is no need for a direct statement that stories are made up of information—it is common sense that rumors, legends, and stories are of the same kind. All that matters is if those things are acting as a fundamental basic for the characters which here does.

So, It literally has no basis? Got it...

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

So, It literally has no basis? Got it...

When you are fixated on ignoring context sure.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

When you are fixated on ignoring context sure.

I am not ignoring context, it just doesn't meet the requirements for it, from your own explanation it sounds much more like a concept than information, Since they are "fundamental concepts", while the Information is just guesswork that comes from information is Rumours, legends, and stories.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I am not ignoring context, it just doesn't meet the requirements for it, from your own explanation it sounds much more like a concept than information, Since they are "fundamental concepts", while the Information is just guesswork that comes from information is Rumours, legends, and stories.

Already explained what needed to be. You just ignored it. Because you are fixated on powerscaling word "information". When context with different words can fill the same meanings.

Anyway, you are free to do whatever you like. Go ahead and make a downgrade thread. I don't even know why I bothered replying. I already have Ultima clarifying that a direct power-scaling statement isn't necessary to qualify for Information Type 2—context is what truly matters. Will create a separate thread If your downgrade thread gets approved,