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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Might be possible tbh. There is an ability similar to graham
Are you reffering to this?:
The 'Eternal Retrogression', which was the pride of the 'King of Vice', has the terrifying power of trapping all beings within its area of effect in a pseudo-hell and continues to present the target to nightmares for eternity until the world itself ends.

The trapped will not be allowed to escape and must meet the end of the world. Meanwhile, the anguish and resentment of the prisoners will make the 'King of Vice - Angra Manyu' grow stronger and stronger.

There is no way to escape from it, and even if one is a 'Primeval Demon' accustomed to hell, you will have to experience the nightmare of annihilation and regeneration on repeat, over and over again.

And then the 'soul' is exhausted and eventually returns to complete nothing. ......

Maybe I lack context, but reading this, I don't see infinite layers of nep at all

It simply means that they reduce it to nothing, it regenerates, then they destroy it again and so on cyclically until it is exhausted and can no longer regenerate.
 
If I remember correctly, Eldemade had made a thread that upgraded sources to Info type 2. As sources contains the fundamental information of one's existence which is necessary for one to exist. And the fact that a source could reconstruct the Spirit, Soul and Physical body of the user by remembering the structure of their body.
Well, we need to wait for the translations of Volumes 11, 12, and 15, or ask the translation thread members to translate the content. The previous thread was based on the WN, where MTL were allowed. Not that it matters—we would still get Information Type 2 as a source.

We also have some material from Volume 7. I wanted to drop the thread, but Tatsumi said we should wait for Volume 11.
 
Well, we need to wait for the translations of Volumes 11, 12, and 15, or ask the translation thread members to translate the content. The previous thread was based on the WN, where MTL were allowed. Not that it matters—we would still get Information Type 2 as a source.

We also have some material from Volume 7. I wanted to drop the thread, but Tatsumi said we should wait for Volume 11.
Oh, so another 3 years.. I can wait!
 
Well, we need to wait for the translations of Volumes 11, 12, and 15, or ask the translation thread members to translate the content. The previous thread was based on the WN, where MTL were allowed. Not that it matters—we would still get Information Type 2 as a source.

We also have some material from Volume 7. I wanted to drop the thread, but Tatsumi said we should wait for Volume 11.
I have a revolutionary proposal, why don't we enslave the translation helpers to translate all the remaining volumes? /j
 
Well, we need to wait for the translations of Volumes 11, 12, and 15, or ask the translation thread members to translate the content. The previous thread was based on the WN, where MTL were allowed. Not that it matters—we would still get Information Type 2 as a source.

We also have some material from Volume 7. I wanted to drop the thread, but Tatsumi said we should wait for Volume 11.
Alright, Do we have any more relevant information (no pun attended) on why Graham has NEP aspect 4 for now? (I would be fine with it when volume 11 comes out if it gets accepted as IM 2 btw)
 
Maybe. I miss points all the time.

Let's be real. In Misfit verse, characters often don't use their abilities to the fullest in most fights, so the fight can drag longer. Celis could have defeated Graham pretty easily if he used Mauve Eyes hax to prevent the Scythe's falsifying powers. But no, for some reason he didn't.
This is false. Sure, using Mauve Eyes could have helped Celis win the fight, but it’s not as easy as you’re claiming. Anos also used his Mauve Eyes, and we know what happened after that.

Additionally, the Scythe was able to clash with Venuzdonoa, while the Frenzy God was destroyed in a second
In Aganzon's case he tried to falsify the attack but Mauve Eyes blocked his powers.
It doesn’t change anything. The Scythe survived Venuzdonoa’s attacks, which no other god has been able to do.
 
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Well, we need to wait for the translations of Volumes 11, 12, and 15, or ask the translation thread members to translate the content. The previous thread was based on the WN, where MTL were allowed. Not that it matters—we would still get Information Type 2 as a source.

We also have some material from Volume 7. I wanted to drop the thread, but Tatsumi said we should wait for Volume 11.
link thread, gonna use it for MP Wank
https://cdn.**********.com/emojis/1022988744275525653.webp?size=128
 
Serious question, can we ask the translation helpers to translate specific contexts of the untranslated volumes? Or is it necessary for the entire volume to be translated?
 
Oh, so another 3 years.. I can wait!
Nuh next year..Depending on my mood I might do a thread with currently available contents. Volume 7 should be enough to get information type 2 for sources to be fair.
I have a revolutionary proposal, why don't we enslave the translation helpers to translate all the remaining volumes? /j
We should do that.
Alright, Do we have any more relevant information (no pun attended) on why Graham has NEP aspect 4 for now? (I would be fine with it when volume 11 comes out if it gets accepted as IM 2 btw)
Others already addressed that there is no need for that. Either way I don't care about this topic for now.
 
Serious question, can we ask the translation helpers to translate specific contexts of the untranslated volumes? Or is it necessary for the entire volume to be translated?
Funnily enough, Yes, We can use Wiki translators for help if it's only certain parts from my understanding. But the evidence gained from it needs to have proof in the already translated volumes. (So supporting evidence is allowed, but not only arguments)

This is my current understanding how it works.
 
link thread, gonna use it for MP Wank
https://cdn.**********.com/emojis/1022988744275525653.webp?size=128
We should delete martial fraud verse.
Serious question, can we ask the translation helpers to translate specific contexts of the untranslated volumes? Or is it necessary for the entire volume to be translated?
If you have read the series you can ask for specific scans translation and explain the contents in the thread. It's not necessary to wait for complete Volume
 
This is false. Sure, using Mauve Eyes could have helped Celis win the fight, but it’s not as easy as you’re claiming. Anos also used his Mauve Eyes, and we know what happened after that.

Additionally, the Scythe was able to clash with Venuzdonoa, while the Frenzy God was destroyed in a second

It doesn’t change anything. The Scythe survived Venuzdonoa’s attacks, which no other god has been able to do.
That's because Graham also had Mauve Eyes which sealed Venuzdonoa. He would have been screwed if he didn't have Celis' eyes and only his Sythe was powernulled. What can Graham do in a scenario where Celis used his Mauve eyes and spammed Ravia Neold Galvarizen?

Another thing to note is that when Celis fought Graham two thousand years ago he was clueless about Divine Scythe's falsifying power. But in his fight against Aganzon, he had full knowledge of Aganzon's power. So he was able to powernull him immediately before he could falsify Ravia Neold Galvarizen. Two different circumstances.

I agree, that's a sign of fraudulence for the God who is supposed to be able to falsify reality. I interpret that scene as Anos using more of Venuzdonoa's power at the end because he failed the first time.

I am not sure why I am arguing for a God I don't care. But I guess I like the Scythe's name.. "Bephengzdogma".
 
That's because Graham also had Mauve Eyes which sealed Venuzdonoa.
You should read the chapter again when Venuzdonoa stabbed the Frenzy god first time it wasn't stated he had Mauve eyes active. Also God got destroyed.
He would have been screwed if he didn't have Celis' eyes and only his Sythe was powernulled. What can Graham do in a scenario where Celis used his Mauve eyes and spammed Ravia Neold Galvarizen?
Never said Graham wins what are you even trying to say here? This part has nothing to do with your arguments against Scythe and God.
Another thing to note is that when Celis fought Graham two thousand years ago he was clueless about Divine Scythe's falsifying power. But in his fight against Aganzon, he had full knowledge of Aganzon's power. So he was able to powernull him immediately before he could falsify Ravia Neold Galvarizen. Two different circumstances.
It doesn't matter if he knows the power or not. Celis would have won the fight but it wouldn't be the same as what he did in Vol 10.
I agree, that's a sign of fraudulence for the God who is supposed to be able to falsify reality. I interpret that scene as Anos using more of Venuzdonoa's power at the end because he failed the first time.
Never stated Anos was using less power in the beginning. Infact Venuzdonoa time was running out due to its restrictions at the end.
 
I simply didn't use my Staff Summon ability on the MG thread, watch this time
https://cdn.**********.com/emojis/1032317700250284043.webp?size=128
Your useless ass needs to rely on cheap tricks like a Summoning ability to summon staffs, whereas I can passively summon staffs just by existing.
https://cdn.**********.com/emojis/1100534146318733384.webp?size=96
 
Your useless ass needs to rely on cheap tricks like a Summoning ability to summon staffs, whereas I can passively summon staffs just by existing.
https://cdn.**********.com/emojis/1100534146318733384.webp?size=96
Your ass just got lucky, it won't happen twice
https://cdn.**********.com/emojis/1100531315775918281.webp?size=128
 
You should read the chapter again when Venuzdonoa stabbed the Frenzy god first time it wasn't stated he had Mauve eyes active. Also God got destroyed.

Never said Graham wins what are you even trying to say here? This part has nothing to do with your arguments against Scythe and God.

It doesn't matter if he knows the power or not. Celis would have won the fight but it wouldn't be the same as what he did in Vol 10.

Never stated Anos was using less power in the beginning. Infact Venuzdonoa time was running out due to its restrictions at the end.
I didn't mean that part. First one was in response to this.
Anos also used his Mauve Eyes, and we know what happened after that.
Anos had Mauve Eyes, he used this on the scythe sure but Graham also used his to block Venuzdonoa's powers. Without Graham having that Anos could have powernulled the scythe and kill Graham with Venuzdonoa pretty easily without the scythe affecting it.

I think you're misunderstanding me. We are debating if Frenzy God is fraud or not. To not confuse ourselves let me explain.

That Scythe does has powers similar to Venuzdonoa but that God is a fraud got destroyed by one of the possibilities of Celis alone 😆 when 2 thousand years ago Scythe and Graham survived real Celis.
Aganzon got destroyed by Celis because he knows about Aganzon's power from 2000 years ago. He used Mauve eyes to powernull him and destroy him. Same could have been true for Graham and Scythe if he used his Mauve Eyes. That doesn't make Aganzon fraud.
He thrust the bloody magic spear forward and used the first secret, ‘Measured Thrust’, to make holes in Aganzon and Dordiredd. Aganzon tried to falsify it and Dordiredd tried to escape by turning into sound, but Selis’s magic eyes, which had turned a dark purple, prevented them from doing so. The spatial cracks absorbed and teleported the two god faces, throwing them into the sky.
Second is this:
Additionally, the Scythe was able to clash with Venuzdonoa, while the Frenzy God was destroyed in a second
The Frenzy God didn't even try to fight back, probably because he doesn't have a free will as he's Graham's slave at this point. The reason why Venuzdonoa couldn't destroy the Scythe was stated to be because of its Reality falsifying powers.
“Did you believe the Abolisher of Reason could affect disorder?” Graham asked, twirling the scythe. The shattered blade became whole again, as though reality itself had been altered.
Aganzon doesn't seem to be able to use use his falsifying abilities at will when he is under Graham which makes sense because if he could he would have freed himself.

So from my interpretation, Aganzon=Scythe. One has better feats because one is allowed to use its power while other one isn't. Only time Aganzon got to use his abilities without Graham he gets negged by Mauve Eyes.
 
I didn't mean that part. First one was in response to this.

Anos had Mauve Eyes, he used this on the scythe sure but Graham also used his to block Venuzdonoa's powers. Without Graham having that Anos could have powernulled the scythe and kill Graham with Venuzdonoa pretty easily without the scythe affecting it.

I think you're misunderstanding me. We are debating if Frenzy God is fraud or not. To not confuse ourselves let me explain.


Aganzon got destroyed by Celis because he knows about Aganzon's power from 2000 years ago. He used Mauve eyes to powernull him and destroy him. Same could have been true for Graham and Scythe if he used his Mauve Eyes. That doesn't make Aganzon fraud.

Second is this:

The Frenzy God didn't even try to fight back, probably because he doesn't have a free will as he's Graham's slave at this point. The reason why Venuzdonoa couldn't destroy the Scythe was stated to be because of its Reality falsifying powers.

Aganzon doesn't seem to be able to use use his falsifying abilities at will when he is under Graham which makes sense because if he could he would have freed himself.

So from my interpretation, Aganzon=Scythe. One has better feats because one is allowed to use its power while other one isn't. Only time Aganzon got to use his abilities without Graham he gets negged by Mauve Eyes.
First of all, you still don’t understand what I was addressing when Graham tried to seal Anos inside the Frenzy God's Womb. Venuzdonoa came to save him and destroyed the Frenzy God. Venuzdonoa has HGRN and can also power-null other abilities. Despite all this, the Scythe was still able to regenerate it nonetheless.

Your argument that Graham has a better use of the power than the God himself holds no weight because having better control doesn’t automatically grant extra resistance to things he hasn’t normally shown resistance to.

Additionally, Graham doesn’t possess the power himself—he needs the Scythe to manipulate it.

Whether Celis knew this or not is irrelevant. I don’t see how Celis knowing about the Frenzy God’s power has any bearing on the fact that it didn’t regenerate when Celis attacked, despite being shown to regenerate from Venuzdonoa’s attacks. Celis was already aware that Graham was using divine powers.

It should be noted that Venuzdonoa is also crafted using God's power. However, even though Sasha can use her godly powers, it is not the same as using Venuzdonoa to destroy logic.

What I’m trying to say is that it’s a simple assumption that the Scythe was mixed with some of Graham's magic, which is irregular in itself and connected to his source when utilized. This is similar to how Shin or Lay use their swords. So, the Scythe possesses powers that are not the same as what a normal God would be able to wield, similar to how Anos' power is mixed into Venuzdonoa.
 
First of all, you still don’t understand what I was addressing when Graham tried to seal Anos inside the Frenzy God's Womb. Venuzdonoa came to save him and destroyed the Frenzy God. Venuzdonoa has HGRN and can also power-null other abilities. Despite all this, the Scythe was still able to regenerate it nonetheless.

Your argument that Graham has a better use of the power than the God himself holds no weight because having better control doesn’t automatically grant extra resistance to things he hasn’t normally shown resistance to.

Additionally, Graham doesn’t possess the power himself—he needs the Scythe to manipulate it.

Whether Celis knew this or not is irrelevant. I don’t see how Celis knowing about the Frenzy God’s power has any bearing on the fact that it didn’t regenerate when Celis attacked, despite being shown to regenerate from Venuzdonoa’s attacks. Celis was already aware that Graham was using divine powers.

It should be noted that Venuzdonoa is also crafted using God's power. However, even though Sasha can use her godly powers, it is not the same as using Venuzdonoa to destroy logic.

What I’m trying to say is that it’s a simple assumption that the Scythe was mixed with some of Graham's magic, which is irregular in itself and connected to his source when utilized. This is similar to how Shin or Lay use their swords. So, the Scythe possesses powers that are not the same as what a normal God would be able to wield, similar to how Anos' power is mixed into Venuzdonoa.
That makes more sense actually. Now I am feeling embarrassed.
 
Do you mean when the possibility Celis left behind destroyed Galvadrion, Doldread and Aganzon?
What? There was nothing left.
Everywhere and everywhere a thunderclap resounded, seeming to tear apart the sky itself, and the gods were struck by the lightning of destruction. The sky in Dilheid was painted purple, and the gods of madness and gospel were completely destroyed. Not even ashes remained of them.

Anyway, i have a question about the HGR if you don't mind. Gods can regenerate even if their source is destroyed, then why didn't any of the Gods from selection trial ressurect after getting destroyed?

Is it because of the pledge jewel containing their order? Let's talk about Revelshned for example. Shouldn't he have ressurect after getting Levinegilma'd? Or his HGR was dependent on LOT?
 
he is talking about that time when gusta defeated three of four fundamental god with the ceris possibility that remained in his sword.
he prob meant anahem not azagon
I don't think so. Dordread and Aganzon aren't fundemental Gods and Gusta-Celis never defeated the four fundemental Gods (Wenzel, Anahem, Dilfred, God of Change).

Shin defeated Anahem, Arcana defeated Andrek, Dilfred lost to the evil kings and Dragon knights defeated the God of Change.

So yeah, the one Gusta defeated are Gluttony God, Frenzy God and God of Gospel in volume 10 act 2
 
What? There was nothing left.


Anyway, i have a question about the HGR if you don't mind. Gods can regenerate even if their source is destroyed, then why didn't any of the Gods from selection trial ressurect after getting destroyed?

Is it because of the pledge jewel containing their order? Let's talk about Revelshned for example. Shouldn't he have ressurect after getting Levinegilma'd? Or his HGR was dependent on LOT?
Another purpose of pledge jewels was for 'deafeted' Gods or Gods who are killed beyond the point of regeneration to have their orders kept under the jewel's protection. Those two Gods who selected Gazel, for example, had their regen nulled by Mauve eyes. Revalschned on the otherhand was immortal along the LOT so there was no need for pledge jewel's interference.

as for Levinegilma, it was doing its thing.
 
What? There was nothing left.


Anyway, i have a question about the HGR if you don't mind. Gods can regenerate even if their source is destroyed, then why didn't any of the Gods from selection trial ressurect after getting destroyed?

Is it because of the pledge jewel containing their order? Let's talk about Revelshned for example. Shouldn't he have ressurect after getting Levinegilma'd? Or his HGR was dependent on LOT?
It's the effect of the God of Balance's order. Gods destroyed during the selection trial cannot resurrect until it has ended
 
It's the effect of the God of Balance's order. Gods destroyed during the selection trial cannot resurrect until it has ended
Was there any such restriction? Pretty sure Selection Gods can ressurect as long as they can. They're only sealed once an actual destruction beffals them.
 
Was there any such restriction? Pretty sure Selection Gods can ressurect as long as they can. They're only sealed once an actual destruction beffals them.

Only those with further immortality like Revalschnedd, Doldread etc resurrect after being destroyed
 
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