Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

[Dereck03]

Just wait for Infinite layers silver sea and the Abyss

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Just before next upgrade wait for volume 12 of LN. I am pretty sure it will explain better about layers.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Not being able to harm deeper layers inhabitants is supporting evidence, but on its own it could just be a durability thing based of higher AP

This has to do with more than just durability

 

[Iiliminal]

Just wait for Infinite layers silver sea and the Abyss

that would be insane

 

[Dereck03]

that would be insane

https://vsbattles.com/threads/maou-gakuin-discussion-thread-2.107621/post-4716414

The chance is here hahaha

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

that would be insane

Don't ever go to reddit site

 

[Tatsumi504]

Don't ever go to reddit site

Why

 

[Tatsumi504]

Tbh is much better to stack layers of hax at 4D than to get baseline 5D, 6D, 7D, etc.

But the point still stands. There's good evidence for both HDE for each layer, or extreme layers of hax resistance at a 4D level. Choose

Does this mean all those above 4D only have baseline hax and resistances? How did arceus get his 12 layers?

Well guess it's better than 1B and high 1B magi gods who only have fate manipulation (useless against acasuals) and Universal reality warping.

 

[Tatsumi504]

If each layer is a higher dimension then it would just be dimension level hax. So someone who us on the 88th layer would be 88D hax but not layered. Uncountable would just be there but not infinite so it would just be uncountable dimensional. Not layered.so at its peak its just baseline to that tier or dimension it is

Unlike other works of fiction where concepts govern the entire cosmology where both 3D - infiniteD Manipulate the exact same concept on the same level with the CM from lower dimension characters being assumed to not work on higher dimensional characters, MG actually has feats of concepts getting stronger with a basically infinite difference between each dimension. I don't see why the layers should be lost.

Its basically the same reasoning as to how we consider destroying multiple infinite multiverses as the same as destroying only one unless context says it requires more power and range to affect multiple multi verses.

 

[Sniper670]

Does this mean all those above 4D only have baseline hax and resistances? How did arceus get his 12 layers?

In Pokémon certain power null can null another power null which can null another power null and so on

Not just power null, but resistances negation, and many other hax

Oh, the origin of all Pokémon powers is from the plates, which is 4D

 

[Sniper670]

Unlike other works of fiction where concepts government the entire cosmology where both 3D - infiniteD Manipulate the exact same concept on the same level with the CM from lower dimension characters being assumed to not work on higher dimensional characters, MG actually has feats of concepts getting stronger with a basically infinite difference between each dimension. I don't see why the layers should be lost.

The crts are not going to write themselves are they?

 

[Dereck03]

It's funny how this wiki is for certain layers. Assuming that a character that is a little stronger than the previous one is able to nullify the power of another with his powernull then he has 1 layer of power null, then that powernull is equated to for example 1 layer of MG, we know that the difference is actually innumerable, immeasurable or whatever.

 

[Tatsumi504]

In Pokémon certain power null can null another power null which can null another power null and so on

Not just power null, but resistances negation, and many other hax

Oh, the origin of all Pokémon powers is from the plates, which is 4D

Oh, so its basically a scaling chain? Damn before joining this forum I never thought a Pokemon character could be this OP.

 

[Tatsumi504]

The crts are not going to write themselves are they?

Yeah not quite confident enough to make a CRT, also 1B Anos hasn't been accepted yet

 

[Tatsumi504]

It's funny how this wiki is for certain layers. Assuming that a character that is a little stronger than the previous one is able to nullify the power of another with his powernull then he has 1 layer of power null, then that powernull is equated to for example 1 layer of MG, we know that the difference is actually innumerable, immeasurable or whatever.

Yeah it basically makes no sense. We say rimuru with his RE won't even be able to grow enough to adapt to a single layer in MG but others just get layers from a scaling chain

 

[Sniper670]

Yeah it basically makes no sense. We say rimuru with his RE won't even be able to grow enough to adapt to a single layer in MG but others just get layers from a scaling chain

The thing with Rimuru is that he was able to adapt from tier 4 all the way to tier 2 in one fell swoop

 

[Iiliminal]

We say rimuru with his RE won't even be able to grow enough to adapt to a single layer in MG but others just get layers from a scaling chain

do u have the source for that? im curious

 

[Sniper670]

example 1 layer of MG, we know that the difference is actually innumerable, immeasurable or whatever.

Agreed. But will they listen? Maou doesn't seem to have admin supporters. And many seem to kinda dislike the verse.

The 2A upgrade WAS GOING GREAT, until one admin came around and it got thrown under the bus

 

[Tatsumi504]

The thing with Rimuru is that he was able to adapt from tier 4 all the way to tier 2 in one fell swoop

Wtf?! How's that even possible? Better to just be a smurf

 

[Dereck03]

Let me be clear, I am not questioning any verse or character, I am just giving an example.

 

[Tatsumi504]

do u have the source for that? im curious

Its just what went on in previous Anos vs rimuru threads.
Arguments were made for rimuru's RE adapting to Anos 99+ layers but the difference between layers is anywhere between uncountable - infinite, so him despite being in a lower reality (lower reality being used as a term since HDE MG layers isn't accepted) being able to adapt to a single layer cause he keeps growing stronger infinitely was NLF

 

[Sniper670]

Wtf?! How's that even possible? Better you just be a smurf

Well his RE could be argued to be useless outside the verse..

 

[Tatsumi504]

Well his RE could be argued to be useless outside the verse..

Really? In what Sense?

 

[Iiliminal]

Arguments were made for rimuru's RE adapting to Anos 99+ layers but the difference between layers is anywhere between uncountable - infinite, so him despite being in a lower reality (lower reality being used as a term since HDE MG layers isn't accepted) being able to adapt to a single layer cause he keeps growing stronger infinitely was NLF

wait that doesnt make sense...i thought the reason why layers are not higher dimensions on this site is cuz it was argued that the difference between each layer is NOT uncountably infinite?

 

[Dereck03]

uncountably infinite?

Not this but uncountably to infinite but we decided to use innumerably instead of uncountably

 

[Tatsumi504]

wait that doesnt make sense...i thought the reason why layers are not higher dimensions on this site is cuz it was argued that the difference between each layer is NOT uncountably infinite?

I'm as confused as you are. There wasn't really any quantifiable statements about the difference except everything in a deeper layer being in a different dimension compared to shallower layers. Also on the FAQ only infinite difference is needed I think?

 

[Tatsumi504]

@Yemma670 on the previous low 1C Pokemon CRT, only infinite difference was mentioned as a criteria for higher dimension right?

 

[Dereck03]

But as I said, my problem here is to equate the layers of other verses with those of MG for example. As I said, this wiki assumes that if I am able to powernull someone's powernull because I am a bit stronger than that character I would automatically have 1 layer of powernull, and that layer is directly compared to an MG layer and the difference between MG layers is innumerably greater which is incomparable to the previously mentioned powernull layer. Even taking into account cases of layers between layers, such as the order of creation and destruction which can be said to be baseline (Law & Cm) but has more layers due to the SS layers, we have the HFG order which is far superior to creation and destruction in the same layer.

 

[Sniper670]

@Yemma670 on the previous low 1C Pokemon CRT, only infinite difference was mentioned as a criteria for higher dimension right?

Not really. But infinite difference is another way of reaching low 1C

For Arceus it was more of a R-F difference.

 

[Tatsumi504]

But as I said, my problem here is to equate the layers of other verses with those of MG for example. As I said, this wiki assumes that if I am able to powernull someone's powernull because I am a bit stronger than that character I would automatically have 1 layer of powernull, and that layer is directly compared to an MG layer and the difference between MG layers is innumerably greater which is incomparable to the previously mentioned powernull layer. Even taking into account cases of layers between layers, such as the order of creation and destruction which can be said to be baseline (Law & Cm) but has more layers due to the SS layers, we have the HFG order which is far superior to creation and destruction in the same layer.

I thought that's why we use 99+ *uncountable? Meaning they'll need to have an uncountable scaling chain 99+ times to match maou layers

 

[Tatsumi504]

Not really. But infinite difference is another way of reaching low 1C

For Arceus it was more of a R-F difference.

Is it infinite or uncountably infinite thats needed? As we were told it needs to be uncountable infinity and by a staff no less.

 

[Sniper670]

Anything tier 1is beyond me.

What I know is R-F difference qualifies, which was the case for Arceus

 

[Everything12]

Arceus wasn't a Reality-fiction difference.

 

[Sniper670]

"and that treats the Pokémon reality, which is made of countless to likely infinite universes, as a mere aspect of its true being"

 

[Everything12]

Not a Reality-fiction difference and that was supporting evidence at best, and inconsequential at worst. It was no where close to the main body of the argument and wasn't really brought up until after some staff had agreed, and was largely ignored by staff after that.

 

[Sniper670]

More like it was largely ignored by you. I don't really understand why you just choose to default to an antagonistic attitude tho

That's exactly what you were trying to do initially in this discussion thread. Lol

 

[Everything12]

Are you serious!? I was pretty much the only staff member who mentioned it and agreed that it might help towards the upgrade!

 

[Sniper670]

I don't.... Care bro

 

[Dereck03]

Dont' mind MG supporters here, we're just eating popcorn watching the pokemon world burn.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Agreed. But will they listen? Maou doesn't seem to have admin supporters. And many seem to kinda dislike the verse.

The 2A upgrade WAS GOING GREAT, until one admin came around and it got thrown under the bus

Don't remind me this bro. Even if 2A was rejected that was atleast should have accepted 2B bubble for having countless realms.
I found the scan for Azure sky of gods being infinite size