Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

[Huesito88]

Bro gonna get his account raided, information leaked with this one Hope they don't come after you, bro
(If he hears this.. you are dead)

I heard someone here express there hate for Rin, and he's fine.

 

[DemonKing021]

Did you really think I can't love Artoria just because I hate her?

 

[Huesito88]

Did you really think I can't love Artoria just because I hate her?

You mean King =P

 

[Success0906]

I heard someone here express there hate for Rin, and he's fine.

I heard a man got his info leaked for talking smack about Artoria and Castoria. If I remember correctly, he was twitch streamer.

 

[Success0906]

Did you really think I can't love Artoria just because I hate her?

What you know about LOSTBELT?

 

[DemonKing021]

I heard a man got his info leaked for talking smack about Artoria and Castoria. If I remember correctly, he was twitch streamer.

People can't even have opinions (even if they're stupid) now?

Do I classify as a Artoria Hater though? I kinda like every version except the OG one.

What you know about LOSTBELT?

I haven't read them yet. Can't waste 10+ hours on a yapping game for a single Lostbelt.

Although I know stuff about powerscaling from spacebattles. For example Rhongo is surface wiper by scaling to surt's sword. It's magic energy can defeat the alien God etc. Chaos has FTL+ attack etc

 

[Success0906]

People can't even have opinions (even if they're stupid) now?

Do I classify as a Artoria Hater though? I kinda like every version except the OG one.

Dude. It's twitch.

I haven't read them yet. Can't waste 10+ hours on a yapping game for a single chapter.

Although I know stuff about powerscaling from spacebattles. For example Rhongo is surface wiper by scaling to surt's sword. It's magic energy can defeat the alien God etc. Chaos has FTL+ attack etc

Try it in Japanese, you normie.

 

[DemonKing021]

Try it in Japanese, you normie.

Oh, yes play in hard mode. Sorry, I am busy learning Russian for my NEP2 Russian girlfriend.

 

[Huesito88]

People can't even have opinions (even if they're stupid) now?

Do I classify as a Artoria Hater though? I kinda like every version except the OG one.


I haven't read them yet. Can't waste 10+ hours on a yapping game for a single Lostbelt.

Although I know stuff about powerscaling from spacebattles. For example Rhongo is surface wiper by scaling to surt's sword. Its magic energy can defeat the alien God etc. Chaos has FTL+ attack etc

I find it funny that technically they have Large Planet level rating (that thread on Avalon calling did get approved before deletion) with immeasurable speed right before they were deleted

 

[ElPapucho80]

No, he actually does. Avalon scaling is invalid anyway. So 6D fate is not happening.

Void Shiki though.. that thing has zero feats, 99% statements. Author literally says her third personality can fight servants defensively. So much for being outerversal

Edit: As long as Saber Artoria exists, I will not accept fate being above planetary like in spacebattles. **** Saber, all my homies hate Saber.

Actually you can scale everyone to outerversal, i won't care except that mf. She should be in tier 11. Again screw Saber. I like Sukuna/Gilgamesh as a person more than her.

What are the thing that let fate to outer? I read Saber is outer but IDK why

 

[DemonKing021]

I find it funny that technically they have Large Planet level rating (that thread on Avalon calling did get approved before deletion) with immeasurable speed right before they were deleted

Immeasurable.. right... I always wonder why Vswiki doesn't take Anti feats into consideration. How did they even get immeasurable speed?

The so called Strongest character (ORT) can be damaged by random servants. If it had immeasurable speed, it could have blitzed them. Mf died from crashing to the planet (so called multiversal durability).

The work never treats it's character as universal/multiversal unlike say Misfit Verse. This series is as blunt as possible that characters are that strong.

"It took quite some effort to overcome Egil Grone Angdroa."
After all, the spell was intended to destroy the world.
"You're barely holding it together with your magic."

It’s unlikely that he’s targeting just Azesion. I think he could even hit Dilheid from his current position in the sky. Or it could be a power that would bring an end to all existence no matter where it’s directed, like “Egil Grone Angdroa”.

 

[Success0906]

Oh, yes play in hard mode. Sorry, I am busy learning Russian for my NEP2 Russian girlfriend.

Jokes on you, I actually had a girlfriend! But it's just that she turned out to be a guy who had been messing with me on Facebook for four years and then dipped after having her share of fun playing with me. Kill me!!!!

 

[DemonKing021]

What are the thing that let fate to outer? I read Saber is outer but IDK why

Mostly statements. Since Root is the origin of all things in Nasuverse and Shiki is apparantly connected to the root. Or something like that.

Although it gets debunked when Nasu ranks Arcuied (connected to a planet) above her in terms of power.

“The spiral of origin is the primordial beginning of all things in this pattern of reality. All things pass through the great wheel, their natures and their histories—past, present, and future—are connected to it. It is thus a vast and empty place. It reflects what I am, in a way. I am connected to it, and I am a part of it as well. I am it. Which is why the greatest feats that mages can only dream of are allowed me. I can change the very structure of elementary particles. I can transmute evolution itself, changing everything into something wholly different. All creation dances to the tune of magic and the melody of the arcane Art. I can bend the rules of this lie of a reality, this prison that keeps so many minds in sleep. I can break it as easily as a twig. I can remake this world. I can unmake it. I can make a new one whole cloth.”

Although when it comes to feats though...

The so called outerversal character can barely fight servants defensively..

Q: In the other Type-Moon works, who else besides Arc can fight against Servants?

A: If we're working on the condition of one on one, with an extremely average Noble Phantasm. Generally most of the 27 Ancestors, Kishima Kouma, Aozaki Aoko. If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight, then Ciel. Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class.

 

[ElPapucho80]

Mostly statements. Since Root is the origin of all things in Nasuverse and Shiki is apparantly connected to the root. Or something like that.

Although it gets debunked when Nasu ranks Arcuied (connected to a planet) above her in terms of power.


Although when it comes to feats though...

The so called outerversal character can barely fight servants defensively..

Bro WTF? Maybe some verse must do a ID clean. Even the Author specify the class/ solid author words. So Root flowery language?

 

[Huesito88]

Immeasurable.. right... I always wonder why Vswiki doesn't take Anti feats into consideration. How did they even get immeasurable speed?

I honestly forgot most of the reason, I do know it has something to do with BB having immeasurable perception/reaction/thought processing speed and something else that involves BB failing in doing something with said isolated speed that results in useful immeasurable speed for high tiers (I'm not going to hunt down the specific crt) . As for Anti feats stuff of course VsBW does take that into account however the number needed (Like DBS for example) before such feats are ignored, depends on a case by case basis

 

[Success0906]

I hate CGI in anime.

 

[ElPapucho80]

I hate CGI in anime.

Misfit

 

[Success0906]

Misfit

I wouldn't say they ruined, they just did not do a good job at presenting it. I was impressed by Sasha and Misha's combo attacks, though.

 

[DemonKing021]

Bro WTF? Maybe some verse must do a ID clean. Even the Author specify the class/ solid author words. So Root flowery language?

Probably. The point is everyone is connected to the root due to it being the source of all existence. Shiki is just a bit more special. Heck, there's another character in Fate Prototype who's connected to the Root (Manaka) but isn't outerversal or even close.

Omnipotent in this case I think is similar to the holy grail which is considered an Omnipotent Wish Granting Divice. Although we are later told it's just a container for the souls of seven defeated servants to open a hole to reach the root. Omnipotent in its case is reffering to the endless amount of mana it has (around trillions). So from a human perspective it's omnipotent as you can use it to grant any human desire. Marisbury literally asked for cash lol.

I honestly forgot most of the reason, I do know it has something to do with BB having immeasurable perception/reaction/thought processing speed and something else that involves BB failing in doing something with said isolated speed that results in useful immeasurable speed for high tiers (I'm not going to hunt down the specific crt) . As for Anti feats stuff of course VsBW does take that into account however the number needed (Like DBS for example) before such feats are ignored, depends on a case by case basis

That's not exactly a good reason. BB at that time had complete control over moon cell and her abilities are associated with manipulating time (time loop, time stop.). Of course she can move in zero second at a place where she has complete control. That doesn't mean others scale to her.

Do you really think fate has immeasurable speed when you have statements like

1. Gil being impressed by Kingu's (who has more energy than Enkidu) 500km/h speed.
2. Hassan lobo bragging about moving in 200km/h speed.
3. A high ranking Goddess (Kukulan) associated with wind/sky moving in supersonic speed considered impressive.

Nemo Marine

New Spirit Origin detected! Wow, did you see that!? It flew in at supersonic speed and didn't even make a sonic

boom! Nemo Marine

Nemo Marine

How did it did it fly over here without breaking the air barrier13 How did it fly over here without breaking the air barrier!?

Who IS that, anyway!? Who IS that, anyway!?

4. The so called fastest character in LB6 being able to move in mach 3 is considered extraordinary.

Nemo Marine (Left Lookout)

Enemy craft is cruising at twelve-hundred kph and still picking up speed! Whoa! It's bounding off the magical energy in the atmosphere!

Nemo Marine (Left Lookout)

It's at Mach 1... Mach 2... It still hasn't hit its top speed!

We're dealing with some kind of supersonic fighter!

(Crying)

Nemo Marine (Right Lookout)

Hang on. How can it flit around react in ten...mime...eight...! at that speed!?

Nemo Marine (Right Lookout)

I wouldn't say they ruined, they just did not do a good job at presenting it. I was impressed by Sasha and Misha's combo attacks, though.

Here

 

[Huesito88]

That's not exactly a good reason. BB at that time had complete control over moon cell and her abilities are associated with manipulating time (time loop, time stop.). Of course she can move in zero second at a place where she has complete control. That doesn't mean others scale to her.

BB feat is immeasurable perception/reaction/thought processing, no combat or no travel, or no attack speed

 

[DemonKing021]

BB feat is immeasurable perception/reaction/thought processing, no combat or no travel, or no attack speed

I see. I am not sure which one it's reffering to. I will check out later after my exams are finished.

 

[ElPapucho80]

Probably. The point is everyone is connected to the root due to it being the source of all existence. Shiki is just a bit more special. Heck, there's another character in Fate Prototype who's connected to the Root (Manaka) but isn't outerversal or even close.

Omnipotent in this case I think is similar to the holy grail which is considered an Omnipotent Wish Granting Divice. Although we are later told it's just a container for the souls of seven defeated servants to open a hole to reach the root. Omnipotent in its case is reffering to the endless amount of mana it has (around trillions). So from a human perspective it's omnipotent as you can use it to grant any human desire. Marisbury literally asked for cash lol.

That's not exactly a good reason. BB at that time had complete control over moon cell and her abilities are associated with manipulating time (time loop, time stop.). Of course she can move in zero second at a place where she has complete control. That doesn't mean others scale to her.

Do you really think fate has immeasurable speed when you have statements like

1. Gil being impressed by Kingu's (who has more energy than Enkidu) 500km/h speed.
2. Hassan lobo bragging about moving in 200km/h speed.
3. A high ranking Goddess (Kukulan) associated with wind/sky moving in supersonic speed considered impressive.

4. The so called fastest character in LB6 being able to move in mach 3 is considered extraordinary.


Here

So why wank in Fate, world means planet there?

 

[Success0906]

Here

I hate you. May the wank never be with you.

 

[ElPapucho80]

I hate you. May the wank never be with you.

XDDDD. Imagine a CGI Anos

 

[Huesito88]

XDDDD. Imagine a CGI Anos

Only if Anos breaks the fourth wall and makes himself go from normal anime art to CGI

 

[Success0906]

Only if Anos breaks the fourth wall and makes himself go from normal anime art to CGI

Outerversal feat!? fr?! fr?!

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Probably. The point is everyone is connected to the root due to it being the source of all existence. Shiki is just a bit more special. Heck, there's another character in Fate Prototype who's connected to the Root (Manaka) but isn't outerversal or even close.

Omnipotent in this case I think is similar to the holy grail which is considered an Omnipotent Wish Granting Divice. Although we are later told it's just a container for the souls of seven defeated servants to open a hole to reach the root. Omnipotent in its case is reffering to the endless amount of mana it has (around trillions). So from a human perspective it's omnipotent as you can use it to grant any human desire. Marisbury literally asked for cash lol.

That's not exactly a good reason. BB at that time had complete control over moon cell and her abilities are associated with manipulating time (time loop, time stop.). Of course she can move in zero second at a place where she has complete control. That doesn't mean others scale to her.

Do you really think fate has immeasurable speed when you have statements like

1. Gil being impressed by Kingu's (who has more energy than Enkidu) 500km/h speed.
2. Hassan lobo bragging about moving in 200km/h speed.
3. A high ranking Goddess (Kukulan) associated with wind/sky moving in supersonic speed considered impressive.

4. The so called fastest character in LB6 being able to move in mach 3 is considered extraordinary.


Here

Speaking of anti feats and wanked speed.
There is another certain verse where the author constantly states that moving beyond the speed of light is not possible for any character, yet they are scaled to immeasurable speed. Not to mention, these so-called immeasurable speed characters not only fail to be impressed but also get tagged by supersonic attacks. Additionally, near light-speed attacks are stated to be normally impossible to dodge unless there is some distance between the characters to allow them to dodge properly.

 

[Huesito88]

Speaking of anti feats and wanked speed.
There is another certain verse where the author constantly states that moving beyond the speed of light is not possible for any character, yet they are scaled to immeasurable speed. Not to mention, these so-called immeasurable speed characters not only fail to be impressed but also get tagged by supersonic attacks. Additionally, near light-speed attacks are stated to be normally impossible to dodge unless there is some distance between the characters to allow them to dodge properly.

Curious is it a popular series?

 

[DemonKing021]

So why wank in Fate, world means planet there?

No, world means layers of reality and its size varies. In the age of gods, different parts of the planet was ruled by different gods. For example Hindu Gods had authority over India, Sumerian pantheon had authority over Mesopotamian.

So both places like India and Mesopotamia were considered "World" at that time. In Indian LB, God Arjuna resetting the "World" was reffering to India and Surtr burning down the "World" was referring to Scandinavia. He could also surface wipe the planet (not destroy it mind you) which was noted to be more impressive that destroying Scandinavia.

In the modern times, the layers of reality (textures) over the planet is called world. That's why EA is called Anti World noble phantasm as it removes the textures over the planet to show it's true primordial form filled with magma and gases.

Da Vinci literally says no matter how strong a heroic spirit's Noble Phantasm is, it can't destroy the planet.

Although Nasuverse planet is harder to destroy than a normal one due to counterforce.

Da Vinci: To begin with, even if you release the full power of a Top Servant's Noble Phantasm, it still can't completely destroy the planet.

Da Vinci: Anti-Planetary (or Anti-Star in some translations) Noble Phantasm...even if such a thing existed...According to calculations it's still not possible to destroy this planet.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Curious is it a popular series?

I do wonder which series I'm referring to.

 

[ElPapucho80]

No, world means layers of reality and its size varies. In the age of gods, different parts of the planet was ruled by different gods. For example Hindu Gods had authority over India, Sumerian pantheon had authority over Mesopotamian.

So both places like India and Mesopotamia were considered "World" at that time. In Indian LB, God Arjuna resetting the "World" was reffering to India and Surtr burning down the "World" was referring to Scandinavia. He could also surface wipe the planet (not destroy it mind you) which was noted to be more impressive that destroying Scandinavia.

In the modern times, the layers of reality (textures) over the planet is called world. That's why EA is called Anti World noble phantasm as it removes the textures over the planet to show it's true primordial form filled with magma and gases.

Da Vinci literally says no matter how strong a heroic spirit's Noble Phantasm is, it can't destroy the planet.

Although Nasuverse planet is harder to destroy than a normal one due to counterforce.

Wow, You know a lot XD. SO which tier You think are servants and top of the verse?

 

[DemonKing021]

Wow, You know a lot XD. SO which tier You think are servants and top of the verse?

I can't say I know a lot. There are a few works I still haven't read.

Spoiler: Yapping

Servants in my opinion should be around country to multicontinent levels depending on the work. Planet level is impossible for them because of Da Vinci's statement. As for speed Hypersonic-Lightning speed is more consistent thanks to Fate Strange Fake.

Come on people, people can't act like servants are multiversal while considering falling from a bike with 400km/h velocity fatal. But i accept powercreep is a thing but that doesn't suddenly make them multiversal.

For top tiers, Goetia's one of the light bands can pierce the planet (not destroy) and he has Billions of them. So planetary to star level is more consistent. It's also supported by Tamamo considering Goetia equal to Amatarasu who is a literal sun.

Surtr is surface wiper as that's what his Strongest attack does. It also stated to be equal to Rhongomaniad, so maybe planet level?

Morgan is comparatively weak (She died to her own fodder Soldiers). According to herself she's literally weaker than Melunise (the one who bragged about her supersonic speed). Although she has twelve Rhongos. So planetary.

God Arjuna is also relatively work for a guy who absorbed 33 million gods of India. His aim is bad, can't even shoot storm border. His AP is bad. His noble phantasm which resets the entirety of the Indian Lostbelt takes days to charge. It's practically useless in battle. Although he has a lot of hax like invincibility. I think he is multicontinental by feats. Maybe there are statements I don't know but his feats aren't that impressive.

10% Zeus' single thunderbolt is stated to surpass God Arjuna. Each of them can destroy the planet and he can spam them. Materials says his thunderbolts can destroy star systems. So he's Star level. His last attack was supposed to destroy the solar system.

Sefar is easily star level, almost won against Zeus but lost to megazord Zeus. She's also super effective against gods due to her absorbing authority. Sefar is weak against raw dakka though.

U-Olga/Alien God can create Black Holes which puts her Star level as well. Although Rhongo is noted to be strong enough to defeat her. The reason Rhongo doesn't scale to her is because making black hole is her own hax. So no reason for Rhongo which has different ability to scale to her.

Lostbelt ORT is the weaker version of the PHH ORT. It can destroy the planet and the only one who showed Planetary feat on screen. But then.. it also died from crashing to the planet.. which is somewhat embarrassing. It's pretty slow, servants can damage it, so not a good look. By scaling it scales over Zeus. One of the examples of hype not matching the feats.

Kiara is mostly reliant on hax but by size alone should be solar system level.

Same with BB. She has complete control over moon cell in CCC, so all of her abilities her hax.

Tiamat is a fodder. She is a good tank, has lot of immortalities but her best feat is a hydrogen bomb level screem. Anyone watching Babylonia can't seriously think she's multiversal or whatever.

Archetype Earth, easily planet level to star level by scaling.

Kama is a conceptual universe but she's not universal. She can be damaged and defeated by normal servants. By that logic Bomirus from misfit should be too thanks to his infinite sized dimension.

Mother Harlot is stronger than Goetia to an unknown degree.

Chaos is literally a Dyson sphere and should be stronger than Zeus. So multi-star level.

Speed is inconsistent. You have op characters like ORT, Melunise and Kukulan being supersonic to Romulus, Ares etc reacting to FTL attack. But then again, the so called light speed attack was from space, so it took some time to come to Earth. Dioscuri and Zeus are light speed and can go FTL. So LS-FTL is generally where I would put them.

Void Shiki is a fodder, has no feats and just statements, has several anti feats and author himself puts her below servants. She's equivalent of me saying "I am omnipotent but I won't do anything because I am lazy. Because I never try, you can't prove me wrong. Since you can't prove me wrong, I am omnipotent."

 

[Glis]

No, world means layers of reality and its size varies. In the age of gods, different parts of the planet was ruled by different gods. For example Hindu Gods had authority over India, Sumerian pantheon had authority over Mesopotamian.

So both places like India and Mesopotamia were considered "World" at that time. In Indian LB, God Arjuna resetting the "World" was reffering to India and Surtr burning down the "World" was referring to Scandinavia. He could also surface wipe the planet (not destroy it mind you) which was noted to be more impressive that destroying Scandinavia.

In the modern times, the layers of reality (textures) over the planet is called world. That's why EA is called Anti World noble phantasm as it removes the textures over the planet to show it's true primordial form filled with magma and gases.

Da Vinci literally says no matter how strong a heroic spirit's Noble Phantasm is, it can't destroy the planet.

Although Nasuverse planet is harder to destroy than a normal one due to counterforce.

Although, I love fate but, the wank they get is actually unreal. Their higher dimensional statements always almost gets countered by some anti feats of servants or specific energy sources being put at stellar class. Hell, mooncell's "8D" barrier was easily bypassed by an npc and was even broken by a solar flare level attack.

We also have Divine spirits and Gods being considered high multiversal, but you know what else is divine? Artemis' anti planet noble phantasm and Quetzalcoatl's several km wide meteor impact.

 

[Robo432343]

Hell, mooncell's "8D" barrier was easily bypassed by an npc and was even broken by a solar flare level attack.

there have been so many threads addressing this

 

[DemonKing021]

Although, I love fate but, the wank they get is actually unreal. Their higher dimensional statements always almost gets countered by some anti feats of servants or specific energy sources being put at stellar class. Hell, mooncell's "8D" barrier was easily bypassed by an npc and was even broken by a solar flare level attack.

Nasuverse simply has good Hax. The author Kinoko Nasu, isn't a powerscaler. From his perspective, dimensions aren't the same as the one defined by Vswiki.

We also have Divine spirits and Gods being considered high multiversal, but you know what else is divine? Artemis' anti planet noble phantasm and Quetzalcoatl's several km wide meteor impact.

It's actually worse. The anti planet noble phantasm just made an island sized hole in the planet and one of them I think was tanked by Shadow Servant Hercules with some aid from mages.

Quetzalcoatl's meteor impact was tanked by Tiamat in the game without getting damaged. She didn't even use shields like in the anime. Unless someone seriously claims a meteor impact is multiversal, they are simply not.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Although, I love fate but, the wank they get is actually unreal. Their higher dimensional statements always almost gets countered by some anti feats of servants or specific energy sources being put at stellar class. Hell, mooncell's "8D" barrier was easily bypassed by an npc and was even broken by a solar flare level attack.

We also have Divine spirits and Gods being considered high multiversal, but you know what else is divine? Artemis' anti planet noble phantasm and Quetzalcoatl's several km wide meteor impact.

it's because the planets and all-around space of the nasuverse are far from normal planets, the notion of which especially being noted on earth

 

[Glis]

there have been so many threads addressing this

Dunno, I'm new to this site. But if that's the case then there's still tons of other anti feats that needs to be discussed aside from what I just mentioned.

 

[DemonKing021]

it's because the planets and all-around space of the nasuverse are far from normal planets, the notion of which especially being noted on earth

You're right. The counterforce prevents the destruction of the planet.

But Da Vinci's first statement is literally no Heroic Spirit can destroy the planet.

Second one being, even if they could counterforce will stop it.

Besides saying that won't negate the countless anti feats fate has. For example ORT dying from clashing to the planet.

 

[Glis]

it's because the planets and all-around space of the nasuverse are far from normal planets, the notion of which especially being noted on earth

Yea, like that changes anything but whatever goes here goes ig. I'm simply going to what I understood from the game and anime.

 

[Huesito88]

Dunno, I'm new to this site. But if that's the case then there's still tons of other anti feats that needs to be discussed aside from what I just mentioned.

Actually the last thread addressing the 8-D stuff was from Deag a staff member, and at least it seemed he was doing rather well in it until the thread just died because of some tier revisions from Ultima and that was postponed and forgotten