Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

[EldemadeDityjon]

Go ahead and create CRT for 1-C.

Like I care that's your burden not mine if you believe that.

 

[Hajun]

There is still hope tho, the thread was closed prematurely and will be redone by @EldemadeDityjon without the curtain bullshit, instead he shall only be using the book of traces for plot manip. If graham gets it, Anos gonna get it. are you in our official community discord server for MGK?

No iam not in the discord

 

[Hajun]

At some time I wish death to myself if @EldemadeDityjon thinks like this in a stupid way, that he can't accept the fact that our series is not metafictional to begin with, and neither we have any sort of r>f relationship and literally the feat is changing events in past through A BOOK.

So we gonna get 1C ?

 

[Hajun]

we're not bruh wait my massive MGK CRT along with downgrading Featherine to text manipulation only

Planetary featherine with text manipulation ?

 

[ImmortalDread]

Me and @EldemadeDityjon are buddies dw

 

[Hajun]

Well yeah, that's not counting the scaling I saw from a very reliable person about two layers of boundless for Anos for never having a future where he is defeated and those futures are infinite, this doesn't seem like a coincidence, it clearly proves that even boundless can't beat Anos

My one friend is a boundless anos believer

 

[Hajun]

Don't worry when I will see the hope for anos becoming outerversel I will be there to help

 

[ImmortalDread]

Don't worry when I will see the hope for anos becoming outerversel I will be there to help

The hope when Author do his promise and say what is more than silver Sea lol.

 

[Peak]

My one friend is a boundless anos believer

Well it's a shame that Saitama negs gg via conceptual evolution boundless against Garou where he gains a tier 0 layer with every punch

 

[YoPercy]

when Author do his promise

Can't tell if you are joking or not.

 

[Hajun]

The hope when Author do his promise and say what is more than silver Sea lol.

Yeah then I will do my ultra pro max wank anos beyond fiction beyond the real world even beyond what we can say a type7 civilization

 

[Hajun]

Well it's a shame that Saitama negs gg via conceptual evolution boundless against Garou where he gains a tier 0 layer with every punch

Don't forgot Saitama sneeze literally can destroy the whole boundless tier with a single sneeze

 

[Peak]

Don't forgot Saitama sneeze literally can destroy the whole boundless tier with a single sneeze

very important detail to mention!!

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Anyone who Manipulates Contents inside a book only gets text manipulation

If the book doesn't have text, it wouldn't even get text manipulation.

 

[Everything12]

So I just read the Text Manipulation explanation page (did not know that power extended to affecting the outside world by rewriting books, I thought it was just limited to affecting the stuff in the book) and watched the Castlevania video beyond the parts that the Plot Manipulation linked to. Certain people may have a point about some things and certain characters possibly having powers they shouldn't...

But I could be wrong and missing something.

 

[ImmortalDread]

@Everything12 Castlevania case is valid. I don't blame @EldemadeDityjon for thinking it is unfair that the character has it based on the justification they have.

But it is worth noting that @Theglassman12 said that he will create a deep blog about this since it is heavily dependent on the verse mechanics and can't be explained easily in the justification.

I understand the concerns that some people has, but again, MG does not qualify for two reasons

- there is not a single r>f relationship or interaction or any manipulation in that direction.

- Not a single metaficional element has been mentioned. No author, no narrative, no plot. Nothing.

- the series itself is not metafiction to begin with.

It is blatant text manipulation, 5th possible use.

 

[Dog3352]

And Sinbad has the metafictional, but did he alter anything from the book? (this is really a question)

 

[Everything12]

And Sinbad has the metafictional, but did he alter anything from the book? (this is really a question)

No, he just treated reality as fiction that he held a position akin to an author.

 

[Dog3352]

In addition to the but, we are trying to achieve plot manipulation via this possible use:

• Spoiler: ;-;

  Users may be able to retroactively change the past, by changing what is recorded about the past in the plot.

From what I've read about the book of traces, there is no "text" or "words" in the book, but scenes from the past being played as if it were a movie or a video, besides but, this is metafictional, even if the work is not done with the intention of putting metafictional differences between the characters or things like that, the way the God sees the book of tracks is metafictional nonetheless.

 

[ImmortalDread]

scenes from the past being played as if it were a movie or a video

Cool, show the evidence of this because I am hearing it for the first time.

 

[Everything12]

Types​

• The materialization of the event - the ability to translate into reality the events recorded in text form.
• History changing - rewriting of the events occurred in the past for a specific person or for the whole world. In some cases, these changes may lead to changes in real time or even affect the future.

- Text Manipulation

From what I've read about the book of traces, there is no "text" or "words" in the book, but scenes from the past being played as if it were a movie or a video, besides but, this is metafictional, even if the work is not done with the intention of putting metafictional differences between the characters or things like that, the way the God sees the book of tracks is metafictional nonetheless.

If it doesn't have metafictional attributes, then it isn't metafictional and isn't Plot Manipulation. Just reading the past in a book is not metafictional, it is seeing reality itself (not a recording of past events) as a fictional construct. This isn't Plot Manipulation or metafictional.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Nice words @Everything12, I was trying to explain this for legit one week.

 

[Dog3352]

- Text Manipulation


If it doesn't have metafictional attributes, then it isn't metafictional and isn't Plot Manipulation. Just reading the past in a book is not metafictional, it is seeing reality itself (not a recording of past events) as a fictional construct. This isn't Plot Manipulation or metafictional.

So wouldn't that have to be from a higher dimension?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

- Text Manipulation

Yes but this is not what happening in the book of traces

If it doesn't have metafictional attributes, then it isn't metafictional and isn't Plot Manipulation. Just reading the past in a book is not metafictional, it is seeing reality itself (not a recording of past events) as a fictional construct. This isn't Plot Manipulation or metafictional.

• History changing - rewriting of the events occurred in the past for a specific person or for the whole world. In some cases, these changes may lead to changes in real time or even affect the future.

Books of traces doesn't work like that changing Contents inside book doesn't change outside world or real world. Book of traces is a seperate things which stores the events and records of real world. Like a Documentary.

• Create/modify the reality in the writing of books - translated into the reality of all the events recorded in the book (while accompanied by the creation of the new world), or the manipulation of the characters and events of the real world, comparable with that as a regular writer can manipulate the characters of his novel.

There is clear cut feat for changing characters and events in an instant without making any temporal or some other Causality Manipulation. Also there is clear cut statement for event manipulation not Causality Manipulation.

And Documentary can be plot though

A narrative, story, or tale is any account of a series of related events or experiences,[1][2] whether nonfictional (memoir, biography, news report, documentary, travelogue, etc.) or fictional (fairy tale, fable, legend, thriller, novel, etc.).

Narrative - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Robo432343]

Voldigoat

 

[Hajun]

100% agree with dread I get it what dread is trying to make us understand

 

[Robo432343]

Is Anos 5D or 6D??

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

So wouldn't that have to be from a higher dimension?

Bugs Bunny, Spongebob, Regular Show (Anti-Pops), Chowder, and Gumball all have Plot Manipulation.

And they don't have R>F nor from Higher Dimensions. Not even tier 1.

 

[Hajun]

Is Anos 5D or 6D??

Both

 

[Dog3352]

New question, what do you mean reality has to be? The possible use tells the past, there is no way for someone to see the past as a present reality, as far as I know, with the book of traits you can change the past of the world (or character) and affect the present with it, no and how if the past in the book is nothing more than a video or something, and literally the past of the world in a book, being changed by a God who owns the book and changing the present with it, how does that not fall squarely in possible use? (although my main question is: how does one see the past as reality itself? The past itself in the book of traits and the past reality in the world)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

New question, what do you mean reality has to be? The possible use tells the past, there is no way for someone to see the past as a present reality, as far as I know, with the book of traits you can change the past of the world (or character) and affect the present with it, no and how if the past in the book is nothing more than a video or something, and literally the past of the world in a book, being changed by a God who owns the book and changing the present with it, how does that not fall squarely in possible use? (although my main question is: how does one see the past as reality itself? The past itself in the book of traits and the past reality in the world)

It is not changing the past.

Book of traces is a seperate reality which is like a Documentary of the world. Everything is real but it's exists inside the book where you can look it up as movie but affecting book of traces won't change anything in real world.

 

[Dog3352]

It is not changing the past.

Book of traces is a seperate reality which is like a Documentary of the world. Everything is real but it's exists inside the book where you can look it up as movie but affecting book of traces won't change anything in real world.

Didn't the God of Traces say the only way to change the past was to brainwash it? Or was it Anos who said something about it?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Didn't the God of Traces say the only way to change the past was to brainwash it? Or was it Anos who said something about it?

You see only way to change the book of traces is by changing the past

But you can't change the past by changing Contents inside the book of traces. Book of traces already keeps the content like some documents you can't just tamper with it. Only Graham has feat for changing whats recorded inside book of traces.

Note: Both past and Book of Traces exists as Seperate reality where Book of Traces contains the copy of Past inside the book and World has the real Past inside of it.

For example Anos destroyed World copies of things which are recorded inside Book of Traces but it doesn't affected the reality but if you change the past it will affect the Reality.

 

[Dog3352]

You see only way to change the book of traces is by changing the past

But you can't change the past by changing Contents inside the book of traces. Book of traces already keeps the content like some documents you can't just tamper with it. Only Graham has feat for changing whats recorded inside book of traces.

Note: Both past and Book of Traces exists as Seperate reality where Book of Traces contains the copy of Past inside the book and World has the real Past inside of it.

For example Anos destroyed World copies of things which are recorded inside Book of Traces but it doesn't affected the reality but if you change the past it will affect the Reality.

I get it, but how exactly would plot manipulation work if it were accepted? Plot manipulation just for Graham? Plot manipulation for the God of traits (within his "sanctuary") and for Graham?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I get it, but how exactly would plot manipulation work if it were accepted? Plot manipulation just for Graham? Plot manipulation for the God of traits (within his "sanctuary") and for Graham?

For now it works for Graham and chief gods and Reason Manipulation characters. Anyway that's for later whoever gets it

 

[TRAE_is_arceus]

So would Anos also have plot manip

 

[Tatsumi504]

So would Anos also have plot manip

Nope

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

So would Anos also have plot manip

Either two verses gets removed from having plot manipulation or Anos gets the plot manipulation instead because Current argument has same reasoning. I don't think people would use double standards to reject plot manipulation Anos or accept plot manipulation for Castlesvania & vampire D.

 

[Dog3352]

And I remain curious about how the character will see the past as reality itself.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

And I remain curious about how the character will see the past as reality itself.

Check vampire D page he got plot manipulation for same reason.