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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

YoPercy said:
He has resistance to it because he went into the abyss of craving or something. Anybody who even looks into goes mad and only Naga and Kosteria could only swim at the top of the waters in the abyss of craving. Yzark went a bit deeper than them while Anos went into the deepest part of the abyss of craving and still was normal.
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Yzark existed in Abyss of Craving if take into the fact all things born in Eve Zenio is from there.
 
Question how many layers of resistance was it again for anos cause I now know how many resistance layers blazblue has


“Resistances that range from the countlessly above infinitely above baseline to infinitely above baseline depending on the character. 5-D for now but that’s likely changing with the next CRT. Arakune has type 9 since his true self is in the boundary.”

a future crt will have blazblue characters in the 6-D range, it might but I’m not sure
 
Dread said:
At 5D key, he has 99*countless, at 6D it is baseline
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Where's the countless from? Is it because the cosmology size is 99+ layers each having countless five dimensional structures in them. Because the countless universes wouldn't affect the potency of hax.
 
Everything12 said:
Where's the countless from? Is it because the cosmology size is 99+ layers each having countless five dimensional structures in them. Because the countless universes wouldn't affect the potency of hax.
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If I am not mistaken, we always treat it as 99×uncountable layers? Also, this is only for the Anos key.
 
1 deep universe gains laws and concepts from all universes in the layer above it. Hence, 99×uncountable layers come from.
 
Dread said:
If I am not mistaken, we always treat it as 99×uncountable layers? Also, this is only for the Anos key.
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Only in regards to AP, what reason would universe A in layer 1 have to have greater hax than universe B in layer 1? Their is no deeper Order or magic between two universes in the same depth.

Dread said:
1 deep universe gains laws and concepts from all universes in the layer above it. Hence, 99×uncountable layers come from.
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That's where the 99+ is from, the 99+ deeper layers. But where's the countless from? The number of universes in the layer below then doesn't affect such potentcy, it's still only one level of deeper Order and magic than the universes below them.
 
Everything12 said:
Only in regards to AP, what reason would universe A in layer 1 have to have greater hax than universe B in layer 1? Their is no deeper Order or magic between two universes in the same depth.


That's where the 99+ is from, the 99+ deeper layers. But where's the countless from? The number of universes in the layer below then doesn't affect such potentcy, it's still only one level of deeper Order and magic than the universes below them.
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Never mind me saying countless. I meant “uncountable”. Also, no. It is in regard to AP, hax, and resistance difference in each layer.
Shallow laws and concepts are added to deeper ones. Even Law, concept hax are layered. Alone with speed.
We still have orders that are far weaker than other orders in the same universes
like HFG, Creation and Destruction, Normal orders, and Chief god orders. So we have layers between layers.
 
Everything12 said:
Only in regards to AP, what reason would universe A in layer 1 have to have greater hax than universe B in layer 1? Their is no deeper Order or magic between two universes in the same depth.


That's where the 99+ is from, the 99+ deeper layers. But where's the countless from? The number of universes in the layer below then doesn't affect such potentcy, it's still only one level of deeper Order and magic than the universes below them.
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No. Order is laws and concepts and fate and flows from shallow to deep.

A universe (Y) that is 1 layer deeper than (X) layer gains laws and concepts from every single bubble above it. That's where countless comes from.

The reason deeper universes are superior is because the shallow universes don't have the complex laws, concepts required to affect them. Its similar to why Higher dimensional beings can't be affected by lower dimensional hax
 
Ya, basically as I said. This effects every factor. There is a clear statement about it on the cosmology page. Speed, durability, resistances, everything even hax.
 
Dread said:
Never mind me saying countless. I meant “uncountable”. Also, no. It is in regard to AP, hax, and resistance difference in each layer.
Shallow laws and concepts are added to deeper ones. Even Law, concept hax are layered. Alone with speed.
We still have orders that are far weaker than other orders in the same universes
like HFG, Creation and Destruction, Normal orders, and Chief god orders. So we have layers between layers.
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Do we have any concrete number to those layers within layers?

Tatsumi504 said:
The reason deeper universes are superior is because the shallow universes don't have the complex laws, concepts required to affect them. Its similar to why Higher dimensional beings can't be affected by lower dimensional hax
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So one layer, that is how you describe one layer of potentcy.
 
Everything12 said:
So one layer, that is how you describe one layer of potentcy.
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If a deeper universe was only getting laws from 1 shallow one then yes but they are getting laws and concepts from countless universes which is where the uncountable comes from.

The difference between layers of hax isn't which layer the universe is on, its the difference between the strength of order (laws and concepts).
The difference between layer 1 and layer 0 is 1, 2, 3......... and it continues.
 
Everything12 said:
Only in regards to AP, what reason would universe A in layer 1 have to have greater hax than universe B in layer 1? Their is no deeper Order or magic between two universes in the same depth.
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This is Wrong. Example a layer will have countless bubbles. Each bubble has thier own limited order. Where Bubble A inhabitants I'm layer 1 can't exicute same amount of power in Bubble B like they do it in Bubble A.
 
I assume he already got enough clarification. I don't think it is worth pinging him as he has responsibilities. We are glad to help and clarify the confusion he got.

Also, @EldemadeDityjon @Tatsumi504
Are yall finished with CRTs? Since before our biggest CRT come from me, we need to fix low-mid tiering scaling made by tatsumi and two calculations
 
Dread said:
I assume he already got enough clarification. I don't think it is worth pinging him as he has responsibilities. We are glad to help and clarify the confusion he got.

Also, @EldemadeDityjon @Tatsumi504
Are yall finished with CRTs? Since before our biggest CRT come from me, we need to fix low-mid tiering scaling made by tatsumi and two calculations
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I will drop small CRTs every weekend. physiology page needs too much more work
 
It needs only references and the controversial abilities are already done by you and they got accepted. But I am aware, it is really big project and will effect the entire verse.
 
Dread said:
I assume he already got enough clarification. I don't think it is worth pinging him as he has responsibilities. We are glad to help and clarify the confusion he got.

Also, @EldemadeDityjon @Tatsumi504
Are yall finished with CRTs? Since before our biggest CRT come from me, we need to fix low-mid tiering scaling made by tatsumi and two calculations
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Nah, i think you guys should continue with whatever you have planned. I don't really have the lee way to make my on CRT
 
Arcana nulled all the abilities of yzak then her power level could be atleast Inviolable Waters level, right?
 
Eishiro1 said:
Arcana nulled all the abilities of yzak then her power level could be atleast Inviolable Waters level, right?
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That's not how inviolable waters works. It's an title given to strongest beings in Silver Sea.
Dread said:
Yap, I guess @EldemadeDityjon will create CRT for this as he promised, and I am who going to apply changes
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Arcana needs two chief god Abilities but we need profile for those chief gods first
 
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