Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

[Hajun]

If a character already transcend high 1A how he is still high1A seeing the whole high 1A structure as mere fictional construct is how still high 1A he shouldn't exist in that structure since he already transcend it

 

[CosmologyLearner]

Yes. Several verses have this already.

Hmm damnnn those writers must be running By now

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

If a character already transcend high 1A how he is still high1A seeing the whole high 1A structure as mere fictional construct is how still high 1A he shouldn't exist in that structure since he already transcend it

I mean, by your logic seeing a Low 1-C character as fiction would be 1-A, instead of 1-C. Thats just not how it works. We don't assume R>F grants an inaccessible gap unless context shows that it is like that.

 

[CosmologyLearner]

Yes. Several verses have this already.

Am curious tho.what kinda context would that be

 

[CosmologyLearner]

I mean, by your logic seeing a Low 1-C character as fiction would be 1-A, instead of 1-C. Thats just not how it works. We don't assume R>F grants an inaccessible gap unless context shows that it is like that.

Prolly one of the reasons maou gakuin layers aren't higher.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Am curious tho.what kinda context would that be

Same way how 1-A characters can transcend other 1-A characters, and how High 1-A characters can transcend other High 1-A characters. Tier 0 isn't an exception to this.

 

[Dog3352]

Is it just me, or Anos is again one of the most popular characters on the wiki?

 

[CosmologyLearner]

And Abt Cardinals in general.arent they like a way to measure quantity in mathematics ? How does transcending then work exactly

 

[CosmologyLearner]

He is

Is it just me, or Anos is again one of the most popular characters on the wiki?

 

[Hajun]

I mean, by your logic seeing a Low 1-C character as fiction would be 1-A, instead of 1-C. Thats just not how it works. We don't assume R>F grants an inaccessible gap unless context shows that it is like that.

So we need more then high 1A means uncountable infinite higher structure to reach tier 0 ?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

And Abt Cardinals in general.arent they like a way to measure quantity in mathematics ? How does transcending then work exactly

They need to physically exist in a cosmology to scale you anywhere.

Alternatively, having a statement of "He can destroy a [Insert large cardinal here] amount of universes" also grants you a tier.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

So we need more then high 1A means uncountable infinite higher structure to reach tier 0 ?

You just need to be inaccessible/unreachable to all expansions of High 1-A, be they uncountable infinite layers or not.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

So we need more then high 1A means uncountable infinite higher structure to reach tier 0 ?

Tier 0 is unreachable via High 1-A Stacking, Replacing, Multiplying, Power Setting, or Superimposing. There is a reason why only 37 of them exist on the wiki

Used to be fewer till SCP and Ultima had a field day.

 

[CosmologyLearner]

They need to physically exist in a cosmology to scale you anywhere.

Alternatively, having a statement of "He can destroy a [Insert large cardinal here] amount of universes" also grants you a tier.

Omg.so I was right it is Abt measurements of structures.hmm is there like a page for how the Cardinals measure exactly and how big they are



Destroying a(can I get an example ? Maybe the highest) amount of universes grants you what

 

[Hajun]

Nah I don't think mgk has R>F if it has it would qualify if a single layer also showed R>F that would aply for whole layers

Prolly one of the reasons maou gakuin layers aren't higher.

 

[Hajun]

Tier 0 is unreachable via High 1-A Stacking, Replacing, Multiplying, Power Setting, or Superimposing. There is a reason why only 37 of them exist on the wiki

Used to be fewer till SCP and Ultima had a field day.

So how can someone reach tier0?

 

[CosmologyLearner]

Nah I don't think mgk has R>F if it has it would qualify if a single layer also showed R>F that would aply for whole layers

I mean the way the deeper layers show powers that's suprisingly more powerful than shallows.thats a form of r>f but not the kind needed to grant a higher tier right ?

 

[CosmologyLearner]

Mathematics and philosophy lmaooo.this is inspiring me to write my own light novel

So how can someone reach tier0?

 

[Hajun]

You just need to be inaccessible/unreachable to all expansions of High 1-A, be they uncountable infinite layers or not.

Means if a high 1A can't touch or see you that is tier 0?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Omg.so I was right it is Abt measurements of structures.hmm is there like a page for how the Cardinals measure exactly and how big they are

There is, but, you probably won't understand much...here.

Destroying a(can I get an example ? Maybe the highest) amount of universes grants you what

Highest? 0

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

So how can someone reach tier0

1. Straight-up math or any fictional mathematical structures above the level of an inaccessible cardinal being off-handily mentioned and then destroyed.

2. Apathetic Theology (Negative Theology) which when given supporting evidence jump you an entire tier. (Seriously can just skip you straight from 1-A to High 1-A.)

3. A canvas situation, the High 1-A Hierarchy all exists on or within some kind of structure that acts as the foundation for all things in the verse. Transcending not the Hierarchy, but the backdrop that contains the foundational logic of High 1-A also works.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Means if a high 1A can't touch or see you that is tier 0?

No. What I meant by "unreachable" is that literally no amounts of transcendence over High 1-A would reach you.

 

[Hajun]

No. What I meant by "unreachable" is that literally no amounts of transcendence over High 1-A would reach you.

So literally how would someone even gonna reach tier 0 ?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

So literally how would someone even gonna reach tier 0 ?

Any context that shows the character above the logical framework in which High 1-A is established, or anything that proves that no amount of High 1-A layers would reach their state. We have a lot of Tier 0 characters already, so, not impossible.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

So literally how would someone even gonna reach tier 0 ?

Being apophatic to High 1-A should qualify.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

The "simplest" method is really just "I can destroy a [Insert large cardinal number here] of universes/structures".

 

[Fixxed]

Only other tier 2's I know of that can almost contend with anos is this guy

He cant, i mean plot cant bypass TD 3. So his plot cant do anything to arnos

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

The "easiest" method is really just "I can destroy a [Insert large cardinal number here] of universes".

So " I'm able to create aleph omega of universes" makes one 1-A+?

 

[Dereck03]

So " I'm able to create aleph omega of universes" makes one 1-A+?

This sounds to much like powerscale tho.

 

[Hajun]

1. Straight-up math or any fictional mathematical structures above the level of an inaccessible cardinal being off-handily mentioned and then destroyed.

2. Apathetic Theology (Negative Theology) which when given supporting evidence jump you an entire tier. (Seriously can just skip you straight from 1-A to High 1-A.)

3. A canvas situation, the High 1-A Hierarchy all exists on or within some kind of structure that acts as the foundation for all things in the verse. Transcending not the Hierarchy, but the backdrop that contains the foundational logic of High 1-A also works.

Last one look like a R>F

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

This sounds to much like powerscale tho.

I'm only applicating the example Oblivion use tho.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

So " I'm able to create aleph omega of universes" makes one 1-A+?

Yes

 

[Hajun]

Any context that shows the character above the logical framework in which High 1-A is established, or anything that proves that no amount of High 1-A layers would reach their state. We have a lot of Tier 0 characters already, so, not impossible.

I think R>F also work on this since if a being transcend all the verse and sees that as mere fictional construct and if the verse is novel or comic book which the being create everything and write in it
Not talking about normal R>F which transcend high1A but a r>f which transcend and see the the whole verse means a piece of paper or something which the being can write on does this R>F gonna work to be tier 0 ? Since no structure gonna reach that being outside

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Yes

Time to continue writing my Original Story

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I think R>F also work on this since if a being transcend all the verse and sees that as mere fictional construct and if the verse is novel or comic book which the being create everything and write in it
Not talking about normal R>F which transcend high1A but a r>f which transcend and see the the whole verse means a piece of paper or something which the being can write on does this R>F gonna work to be tier 0 ? Since no being gonna reach that being outside

I mean, there is not much of a difference between the two R>Fs you just mentioned.

Like I said before, it depends on the extent of the R>F. You need context/statements that the fiction in the paper would never reach reality, no matter how powerful, or anything like that.

Alternatively, if the High 1-A of a cosmology comes from dimensions, an R>F over that would be 0, because it transcends the logical foundations of High 1-A.

 

[Hajun]

Time to continue writing my Original Story

Let's create our own character and make them fight each other means a vs battle with our own character

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Let's create our own character and make them fight each other means a vs battle with our own character

Joke on you.
I already write a high 1-A character

 

[Hajun]

I mean, there is not much of a difference between the two R>Fs you just mentioned.

Like I said before, it depends on the extent of the R>F. You need context/statements that the fiction in the paper would never reach reality, no matter how powerful, or anything like that.

Alternatively, if the High 1-A of a cosmology comes from dimensions, an R>F over that would be 0, because it transcends the logical foundations of High 1-A.

So we can get tier0 with R>F as well
One more question if a tier 0 vs 0 fight how the other tier0 gonna win or it will be tie?

 

[Hajun]

Joke on you.
I already write a high 1-A character

Lol already made a boundless character

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

One more question if a tier 0 vs 0 fight how the other tier0 gonna win or it will be tie?

Depends on how far they transcend into the tier.