Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

[Caduz213]

Heck i was reading the chapter again to see if Abyssal world and Abyssal layers are different but it's really confusing

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From what I read and understood from the chapter it seems that there is only one abyssal world.I believe that any layer deeper than 99 will still be lower than the abyssal world

 

[Yohata]

By the way, shouldn't Lay have Information Manipulation type 1 for being able to modify the information of Demon King of Tyranny and change Anos name to Avos in history?

I think it should be
Since the information about anos name was changed not only in people minds
But also in books and everything that have that information on it

This obviously info manip and not just mind manip

 

[Hajun]

layer 100

Nah infinite

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

I think it should be
Since the information about anos name was changed not only in people's minds
But also in books and everything that have that information on it

Yeah.
Even Anos acknowledge in the entrance exam that the information about Demon King is very different from what he knows.

And you are right, the information in book is different too if I remember right.

 

[Hajun]

Y'all are here with all your imaginations of low 1-C to low 1-A anos vs me in a corner hoping there's a cosmology beyond the SS and zinnia isn't the final boss

Cause I want anos to be the strongest demon king in fiction

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Cause I want anos to be the strongest demon king in fiction

There is still Scarlet King :v

 

[Yohata]

Cause I want anos to be the strongest demon king in fiction

Akuto sai
High 1-A

There is still a long way for anos to be the strongest demon king

I personally want the mgk verse to be the strongest non-smurfs 2-A verse for now and i can see it coming

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Who are the mgk characters that can beat madoka and have a acc right now

I want to change the top 1 strongest non-smurfs from Anos to characters from maou gakuin verse
Since a lot of characters got TD 3
Its either a incon or a win for this characters against madoka

Madoka don't have Acausality type 5 officially.

 

[Yohata]

Madoka don't have Acausality type 5 officially.

From what i know
No tier 2 character have aca type 5 after the changes

 

[Orioreeem]

Who are the mgk characters that can beat madoka and have a acc right now

I want to change the top 1 strongest non-smurfs from Anos to characters from maou gakuin verse
Since a lot of characters got TD 3
Its either a incon or a win for this characters against madoka

How about no?

 

[Yohata]

How about no?

Why not

 

[Dereck03]

Arcana, Graham, Eques, Venuzdonoa

 

[Yohata]

Arcana, Graham, Eques, Venuzdonoa

I don't think venuzdonoa would be usefull
Anos is already stronger
And Sasha won't beat madoka even if she use the sword because of speed gap
Madoka can just kill sasha before using the sword because she have omnipresence

So now we have Anos - graham - eques -arcana

Are 4 characters enough to change it from anos to characters from maou gakuin. ?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I don't think venuzdonoa would be usefull
Anos is already stronger
And Sasha won't beat madoka even if she use the sword because of speed gap
Madoka can just kill sasha before using the sword because she have omnipresence

So now we have Anos - graham - eques -arcana

Are 4 characters enough to change it from anos to characters from maou gakuin. ?

Sasha will get Acausality type 1& 4 wait. Upgrade is still ongoing+Sasha durability baseline above 2A

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

Since Anos and Graham have TD3, will Umineko characters be able to affect them?

 

[Orioreeem]

Yes since they have higher dimensional hax

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

Yes since they have higher dimensional hax

NEP2 can be nulled by HD?

 

[Orioreeem]

Not really but if you don't luck specific thing( for example causality) you can still be affected by it(un our example causality hax)

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

Not really but if you don't luck specific thing( for example causality) you can still be affected by it(un our example causality hax)

So even if you are acausal. HD Causality hax can affect you? Hmm.. You learn something new everyday.

 

[sen_]

So even if you are acausal. HD Causality hax can affect you? Hmm.. You learn something new everyday.

HD basically nulls every ability except for some aspects of NEP and a few others

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

Resistance Negation (Via <Egil Grone Angdroa>[89])

Regeneration Negation (High-Godly; Can decapitate the target and destroy their source via <Giginuvenuens>.[90] Additionally, a person who is decapitated via <Giginuvenuens>[91] cannot be saved[92])

Don't you guys think, these two require scans besides reference? People aren't so enthusiastic in reading an entire chapter so that you can validate something.

 

[Tatsumi504]

layer 100

That should be likely the case.
Considering Zinnia has a reason to go to the Abyss world.

So Anos might be fighting something that was even beyond Zinnia when he came to meet him/her at the end.

We already have confirmation of deeper layers beyond 99th layer and there's the abyss world but both are still in the SS. I want another cosmology beyond the silver sea, like the SS is just a small part of a greater whole

 

[Tatsumi504]

By the way, shouldn't Lay have Information Manipulation type 1 for being able to modify the information of Demon King of Tyranny and change Anos name to Avos in history?

Causality manipulation and fate manipulation. He rewrote history and changed Anos fate

 

[Tatsumi504]

I think it should be
Since the information about anos name was changed not only in people minds
But also in books and everything that have that information on it

This obviously info manip and not just mind manip

Causality manipulation

 

[Tatsumi504]

I don't think venuzdonoa would be usefull
Anos is already stronger
And Sasha won't beat madoka even if she use the sword because of speed gap
Madoka can just kill sasha before using the sword because she have omnipresence

So now we have Anos - graham - eques -arcana

Are 4 characters enough to change it from anos to characters from maou gakuin. ?

Venuzdonoa has immeasurable speed and passively destroys what tries to affect the wielder. The GG sword stomps the hell out of the magical girl. Add sasha on that list

 

[Tatsumi504]

Is there a specific value for being FTE (faster than the eye)? For example, you FTE someone who has SoL reactions and combat speed, how many times faster do you have to be?

 

[Yohata]

Venuzdonoa has immeasurable speed and passively destroys what tries to affect the wielder. The GG sword stomps the hell out of the magical girl. Add sasha on that list

Oh i forgot that the sword passively destroys what tries to affect the wielder

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Causality manipulation and fate manipulation. He rewrote history and changed Anos's fate

Hmmm, okay.
I was thinking that maybe Lay was modifying knowledge about Anos, rewriting them.

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

This is might be stupid, so forgive me for my ignorance but how exactly does Anos stomp Rimuru?

 

[Tatsumi504]

Hmmm, okay.
I was thinking that maybe Lay was modifying knowledge about Anos, rewriting them.

Yeah, he just changed history as a whole

 

[Tatsumi504]

This is might be stupid, so forgive me for my ignorance but how exactly does Anos stomp Rimuru?

Superior AP, wall of stupidly layered hax, rimuru can't affect him, superior range

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

This is might be stupid, so forgive me for my ignorance but how exactly does Anos stomp Rimuru?

1. Immeasurable Speed
2. 2-A Range
3. NEP 2
4. Transduality type 3
5. Acausality type 5
6. Layered Hax, especially MEOCD (which is broken as hell)
7. And many more.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Yeah, he just changed history as a whole

Everyone in the verse should get info type 2 manip for able to form/affect a spirit by merely spreading about their rumor.

 

[Yohata]

This is might be stupid, so forgive me for my ignorance but how exactly does Anos stomp Rimuru?

Rimuru can't interact with Anos at all
And anos can one shot rimuru
Its this simple
Anos have better hax
Higher AP
Higher speed by a lot

This one was a good battle back in the days it was hard to say who would win
But now Its not a challenge anymore
A lot of maou gakuin characters stomp rimuru

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

This one was a good battle back in the days it was hard to say who would win

Meh, back in the day.
Anos speed always gets equalized because Immeasurable Vs MFTL+ is already a stomp.

 

[Yohata]

Meh, back in the day.
Anos speed always gets equalized because Immeasurable Vs MFTL+ is already a stomp.

Back in the days
I didn't even know what is the meaning of immeasurable speed
I was new to this and i was just trying to understand those hax and ap tiers

Didn't pay attention to speed at all

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

Superior AP, wall of stupidly layered hax, rimuru can't affect him, superior range

1. Immeasurable Speed
2. 2-A Range
3. NEP 2
4. Transduality type 3
5. Acausality type 5
6. Layered Hax, especially MEOCD (which is broken as hell)
7. And many more.

Explain how AP is effective against a character who has CM 1 and EE resistance.

Where does the layered hax come from?

Rimuru being unable to effect Anos would simply be incon if the latter has no way to kill him, no?

 

[Dereck03]

Where does the layered hax come from?

Are you really asking this? How many times we have to answer this

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

Rimuru can't interact with Anos at all

Would be incon without the appropriate techs to counter.

And anos can one shot rimuru
Its this simple
Anos have better hax

What are they?

Higher AP

Irrelevant.

Higher speed by a lot

Doesn't matter if you have nothing that can incap or kill them.