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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Dereck03 said:
New TD draft is here.... We need the CRT for Arcana order.... If order is 0 and 1 then the Arcana order would be neither 0 nor 1 and then reason would be neither those and the Chaos & Nothingness would be......... Arghhh
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So do we need her profile first? I could go gung-ho and speed read through arcs 5-8, hell I've got somethings outlined already.

What type of trans duality would misfits then qualify for? Going by how arcana's order has been shown, i'd say she's in between all dualities.
 
Wait, you said concept? Oh man, I don't know; it is still vague unless there is context.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
What type of trans duality would misfits then qualify for? Going by how arcana's order has been shown, i'd say she's in between all dualities.
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Dereck03 said:
New TD draft is here.... We need the CRT for Arcana order.... If order is 0 and 1 then the Arcana order would be neither 0 nor 1 and then reason would be neither those and the Chaos & Nothingness would be......... Arghhh
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Yea she should be neither 1 or 0 but what would be both of these? Reason probably isn't it, it's more transcendent of order so to speak.
 
Orioreeem said:
Yea she should be neither 1 or 0 but what would be both of these? Reason probably isn't it, it's more transcendent of order so to speak.
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I look forward to receiving more input, plus Anos and Graham TD lacks and beyond reason, so it's above all, as much as from 1 or 0, as neither of those, above reason which is neither the previous. And by defeault Reason -> TD
 
Eques is aggregate of many gods and world itself, so he might be both but I am not sure if we can say that destruction and creation or any other dual order would fall under that tho I also think every god has a part of Eques inside them so it might just do
 
Orioreeem said:
Eques is aggregate of many gods and world itself, so he might be both but I am not sure if we can say that destruction and creation or any other dual order would fall under that tho I also think every god has a part of Eques inside them so it might just do
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Eques is technically a failure Chief God. Naturally Chief God surpasses all order but this guy was born due to Graham's experiment.
Dereck03 said:
I look forward to receiving more input, plus Anos and Graham TD lacks and beyond reason, so it's above all, as much as from 1 or 0, as neither of those, above reason which is neither the previous. And by defeault Reason -> TD
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Tier 0.

Well Fixxed or Oblivion are more knowledgeable on this Transduality topic
 
Orioreeem said:
Yea she should be neither 1 or 0 but what would be both of these? Reason probably isn't it, it's more transcendent of order so to speak.
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No? I'm pretty sure she's both 0 and 1. Her authority is basically a contradicting sun and moon that simultaneously burns and freezes
 
Dereck03 said:
I look forward to receiving more input, plus Anos and Graham TD lacks and beyond reason, so it's above all, as much as from 1 or 0, as neither of those, above reason which is neither the previous. And by defeault Reason -> TD
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We don't really know what reason is in the verse except logic. Should we take logic as transcending order?

If we go for the literal explanation and say they're unbound from any form of logic then that's straight up TD3 after the revision
 
Tatsumi504 said:
No? I'm pretty sure she's both 0 and 1. Her authority is basically a contradicting sun and moon that simultaneously burns and freezes
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Arcana's order contradicts all orders and opposes them, if creation and destruction is 1 and 0, arcana would be neither of them since it is a complete opposition and contradiction to those orders.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
I've had enough. I'm about to spam the message wall of every calc group member and ask them to evaluate my calc.
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That evaluation thread nobody ever answers, why do you think they always write to them on their wall for any request.
 
Dereck03 said:
Arcana's order contradicts all orders and opposes them, if creation and destruction is 1 and 0, arcana would be neither of them since it is a complete opposition and contradiction to those orders.
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IG, but her order seems to do both. It's like she's both 0 and 1 and neither 0 nor 1 at the same time.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
No? I'm pretty sure she's both 0 and 1. Her authority is basically a contradicting sun and moon that simultaneously burns and freezes
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That works maybe? Tho still a weird case
One after another, the flowers gathered behind Arcana, creating a moon-like and sun-like, created an object that is neither of them.

If we take her to be 1 and 0 then we also have Enne who's existence wasn't wanted by dualities of abortion and birth, but even she is still a weird case because she has yet to be born yet she exists somehow?
 
Orioreeem said:
That works maybe? Tho still a weird case
One after another, the flowers gathered behind Arcana, creating a moon-like and sun-like, created an object that is neither of them.

If we take her to be 1 and 0 then we also have Enne who's existence wasn't wanted by dualities of abortion and birth, but even she is still a weird case because she has yet to be born yet she exists somehow?
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Freaky, even more freaky after Derek saying she's a contradiction to all order, it now seems like she's both 0 and 1, 0 nor 1 at the same time.
 
Enne - neither 0 nor 1
Chief God - both 0 and 1
Arcana - neither 0 nor 1 and both 0 and 1.
Bruh Author took his whole logic and contradiction seriously, all that's left to do is introduce 0=1 axiom.
"This is a bondage prison, isn't it?"



When Sasha said, Misha stared at the inside of the palace.



"The whole palace is tinged with strong magic. It belongs to the divine tribe."



Sasha looked at me after swallowing.



"……What to do?"



"As I said earlier, orders rarely hurt each other. That's probably why the abortion god Anderc didn't destroy the birth god Wenzel, he just captured it. There will be no danger to



"... um, you mean?"



"Just enter from the front."



"...I thought it was..."



I smiled at Sasha, who looked like she had a bad feeling, and without hesitation I stepped into the palace.



Immediately, the slimy air caresses my skin.

His body complained of heaviness, as if he was chained to his whole body, perhaps due to the order of the bondage gods.



"……ah……"



Ga-kun, Ennesone bends his knees.



“Enne……!?”



Zesia looks into Ennesone's face worriedly.

With both hands on the floor, she breathed heavily while dripping sweat.



With her meager magical power, she probably has no resistance to this bondage prison.



"Let's carry it."
You should add this to your minor CRT, Anos can easily awake emotions of Gods who lack them(since lacking emotions is recognized as a plot point it it's now certain that they should have some resistance or immunity to its manipulation)
"... Can Anderc be persuaded? Is it really a good god?"



When Sasha said, Wenzel had a painful expression.



"The abortion god Anderc is a god who is loyal to his own order. Unlike me and Militia, I have no intention of going against it..."



"But you think Wenzel can convince you?"



For a moment, Wenzel hesitates.

It seemed to her that ideals and reality were at odds with each other.



"... If Anderc awakens to his own emotions, I think that's the best. However, don't get caught up in that. Above all, give birth to Ennesone. Please, this May the world be just a little bit kinder."



Birth God Wenzel said to show his resolve.



"That's Militia and my wish."



"Hmm, so you don't understand more? Why did Militia say you shouldn't destroy the abortion god?"



Tilting his index finger and neck at the same time, Eleonor has a strange look.



"Maybe Militia cared about me. As an older sister who also has a younger sister, she must have sensed my feelings about having to deal with Anderc."



Taking a deep breath, she said regretfully.



"However, Anderc, unlike Militia's sister Averneux, does not hear it."



Did Militia want to avoid destroying her friend's sister?

Well, it's possible, but is that really all there is to it?



Ennesone's memory is uncertain.

It's possible that he had other intentions and told him not to destroy the Abortion God.



"No matter how violent the demon king, you can't awaken the feelings of the gods, right?"



"What, if that's the case, I've already tried it.



Surprised, Wenzel opens his mouth and rounds his eyes.



"...Awakening Anderc's emotions?"



“If it’s just to wake you up.



Kokuri and Wenzel nod.



"If you can get by without destroying it, it's a wish."



"Hmm. If Militia expected that from me, the story is easy."



Misha turns to me and opens her mouth.



"Can't you tell?"



"As expected"



"But if Anderc's emotions wake up, you won't have to fight, right? It seems like things will be less troublesome if you don't destroy order as much as possible..."



I turned my gaze loosely to Sasha who said so.



"……is it wrong?"



"I don't know if I'll go against order when my emotions wake up. Nousgaria was the last time I was afraid in front of me. But it didn't look like I had changed my mind at all."



I moved my gaze to Wenzel and continued my words.



“However, there is a possibility that Anderc will become an ally. It would be better not to force Wenzel out of this cage now. You try to persuade them. The key to the deity's resistance to order is love and kindness, and the one most likely to awaken it is you, my sister."



"……understood……"
 
YoPercy said:
tier 1 mgk shall come into existence one day
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I can say some stuff like
Time- An aspect of order and seeing time is fundamental, it could be seen at 4-D. And then the chief gods who should transcend the time gods due to being higher dimensional could be low 1-C
I aint good at thinking of stuff.
 
Orioreeem said:
Enne - neither 0 nor 1
Chief God - both 0 and 1
Arcana - neither 0 nor 1 and both 0 and 1.
Bruh Author took his whole logic and contradiction seriously, all that's left to do is introduce 0=1 axiom.
"This is a bondage prison, isn't it?"



When Sasha said, Misha stared at the inside of the palace.



"The whole palace is tinged with strong magic. It belongs to the divine tribe."



Sasha looked at me after swallowing.



"……What to do?"



"As I said earlier, orders rarely hurt each other. That's probably why the abortion god Anderc didn't destroy the birth god Wenzel, he just captured it. There will be no danger to



"... um, you mean?"



"Just enter from the front."



"...I thought it was..."



I smiled at Sasha, who looked like she had a bad feeling, and without hesitation I stepped into the palace.



Immediately, the slimy air caresses my skin.

His body complained of heaviness, as if he was chained to his whole body, perhaps due to the order of the bondage gods.



"……ah……"



Ga-kun, Ennesone bends his knees.



“Enne……!?”



Zesia looks into Ennesone's face worriedly.

With both hands on the floor, she breathed heavily while dripping sweat.



With her meager magical power, she probably has no resistance to this bondage prison.



"Let's carry it."
You should add this to your minor CRT, Anos can easily awake emotions of Gods who lack them(since lacking emotions is recognized as a plot point it it's now certain that they should have some resistance or immunity to its manipulation)
"... Can Anderc be persuaded? Is it really a good god?"



When Sasha said, Wenzel had a painful expression.



"The abortion god Anderc is a god who is loyal to his own order. Unlike me and Militia, I have no intention of going against it..."



"But you think Wenzel can convince you?"



For a moment, Wenzel hesitates.

It seemed to her that ideals and reality were at odds with each other.



"... If Anderc awakens to his own emotions, I think that's the best. However, don't get caught up in that. Above all, give birth to Ennesone. Please, this May the world be just a little bit kinder."



Birth God Wenzel said to show his resolve.



"That's Militia and my wish."



"Hmm, so you don't understand more? Why did Militia say you shouldn't destroy the abortion god?"



Tilting his index finger and neck at the same time, Eleonor has a strange look.



"Maybe Militia cared about me. As an older sister who also has a younger sister, she must have sensed my feelings about having to deal with Anderc."



Taking a deep breath, she said regretfully.



"However, Anderc, unlike Militia's sister Averneux, does not hear it."



Did Militia want to avoid destroying her friend's sister?

Well, it's possible, but is that really all there is to it?



Ennesone's memory is uncertain.

It's possible that he had other intentions and told him not to destroy the Abortion God.



"No matter how violent the demon king, you can't awaken the feelings of the gods, right?"



"What, if that's the case, I've already tried it.



Surprised, Wenzel opens his mouth and rounds his eyes.



"...Awakening Anderc's emotions?"



“If it’s just to wake you up.



Kokuri and Wenzel nod.



"If you can get by without destroying it, it's a wish."



"Hmm. If Militia expected that from me, the story is easy."



Misha turns to me and opens her mouth.



"Can't you tell?"



"As expected"



"But if Anderc's emotions wake up, you won't have to fight, right? It seems like things will be less troublesome if you don't destroy order as much as possible..."



I turned my gaze loosely to Sasha who said so.



"……is it wrong?"



"I don't know if I'll go against order when my emotions wake up. Nousgaria was the last time I was afraid in front of me. But it didn't look like I had changed my mind at all."



I moved my gaze to Wenzel and continued my words.



“However, there is a possibility that Anderc will become an ally. It would be better not to force Wenzel out of this cage now. You try to persuade them. The key to the deity's resistance to order is love and kindness, and the one most likely to awaken it is you, my sister."



"……understood……"
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I'll add it when upgrading his fear hax potency, adding information manipulation and unconventional resistance to fate manipulation for the gods.
 
WarbleComeBack said:
Hear me out… we just drop plot manip CRT but no MG supporters reply.
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TF 🗿. Where?
YoPercy said:
@Tatsumi504 @EldemadeDityjon
Question:

Currently, bubbles are accepted as 2A, but are we going to upgrade them to 1-C in the future?

(I ask this because there was a thread that declined bubble worlds being 2A)
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Yeah it's going to be low 1C

A multi+ realm is just a macrocosom of the world and black sky is higher infinity which holds this multi + structure
 
k, gonna go to sleep. Hoping to read some good shit tmr

I am so ******* hype that MGK getting tier 1. For months, 1B Anos was hyped up and now we slowly getting there. W
 
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