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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

Caduz213 said:
I interpreted it the wrong way. Sorry. It might work if the vortex is something within the abyssal world and the shallow worlds are something small for the vortex to swallow.Now if it's outside of the abyssal world, this doesn't work without citing that the vortex is Infinitely larger than a world or shallow layer
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That's why I said it depends if it exists inside Abyssal world or it exists in Abyssal layers. It would be great if something exist outside the silver sea and sees the sea as a hierarchy of uncountably infinite stories or something. Well I am pretty sure Shuu is already planned something for MEOCD knowing he only stated all the power of MEOCD Anos using is just a after effects. I wonder what would happen if he uses it to full power. I also hoping to see HGR for Zenia and others. Even though Technically Graham is weak villain compared to SS Inhabitants his Regeneration surpasses anyone until now.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
That's why I said it depends if it exists inside Abyssal world or it exists in Abyssal layers. It would be great if something exist outside the silver sea and sees the sea as a hierarchy of uncountably infinite stories or something. Well I am pretty sure Shuu is already planned something for MEOCD knowing he only stated all the power of MEOCD Anos using is just a after effects. I wonder what would happen if he uses it to full power. I also hoping to see HGR for Zenia and others. Even though Technically Graham is weak villain compared to SS Inhabitants his Regeneration surpasses anyone until now.
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It would be interesting if the Silver Sea as we know it were just one big world within a larger cosmology.In Anos' eyes, I believe that only something superior to the Silver Sea will make him use his true power. About Graham, I believe he will be important later in the story. I have a theory that he will somehow will leave from within Anos origin far more powerful than before.I don't think Shu will let Graham live just as a defense for Anos origin.
 
Caduz213 said:
It would be interesting if the Silver Sea as we know it were just one big world within a larger cosmology.In Anos' eyes, I believe that only something superior to the Silver Sea will make him use his true power. About Graham, I believe he will be important later in the story. I have a theory that he will somehow will leave from within Anos origin far more powerful than before.I don't think Shu will let Graham live just as a defense for Anos origin.
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Yeah for Anos to display his full power there needs to be something bigger than silver sea. Also I have been curious from long time what would happen if Anos source gets destroyed. I mean if his source gets destroyed it would turn into nothingness and need to regenerate from there. But in that moment there is a chance Graham may escape. Well unless Graham source somehow merged with Anos source that's it doesn't escape.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Yeah for Anos to display his full power there needs to be something bigger than silver sea. Also I have been curious from long time what would happen if Anos source gets destroyed. I mean if his source gets destroyed it would turn into nothingness and need to regenerate from there. But in that moment there is a chance Graham may escape. Well unless Graham source somehow merged with Anos source that's it doesn't escape.
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I believe Graham's origin is just within his origin and not merged, but who knows.All I want is for plot hax to be accepted and the Silver Sea to reach level 1.I need Anos 1-B. There are many people who underestimate the potential of the verse by saying that the Silver Sea will never have a 1-B rating.It is said that to achieve this classification, you need to start all over again and completely change the cosmology.This thought borders on the ridiculous.
 
Caduz213 said:
I believe Graham's origin is just within his origin and not merged, but who knows.All I want is for plot hax to be accepted and the Silver Sea to reach level 1.I need Anos 1-B. There are many people who underestimate the potential of the verse by saying that the Silver Sea will never have a 1-B rating.It is said that to achieve this classification, you need to start all over again and completely change the cosmology.This thought borders on the ridiculous.
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I need Anos to reach at least high 1-B (infinte dimensions)/ Ad Infinitum (infinity -1 dimensions). Seeing magi holding the number 1 spot in 1-B and High 1-B irks me.

Whoever is saying it can't reach 1-B doesn't know what they're saying. It just needs a few statements to qualify
 
Caduz213 said:
I believe Graham's origin is just within his origin and not merged, but who knows.All I want is for plot hax to be accepted and the Silver Sea to reach level 1.I need Anos 1-B. There are many people who underestimate the potential of the verse by saying that the Silver Sea will never have a 1-B rating.It is said that to achieve this classification, you need to start all over again and completely change the cosmology.This thought borders on the ridiculous.
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For now I need just 8D + plot hax scale. Hate it people just treating him as multi+
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
When source gets destroyed there will be nothing left. In that meantime if Graham can escape or not is the main issue
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Graham turns into nothingness when destroyed. I'm hoping Anos does the same but turns into destruction/ chaos with a nonexistent source of his own. Then his true form would be pure destruction that can encompass the whole cosmology.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Graham turns into nothingness when destroyed. I'm hoping Anos does the same but turns into destruction/ chaos with a nonexistent source of his own. Then his true form would be pure destruction that can encompass the whole cosmology.
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You didn't understand what i was saying. My whole point is If GRAHAM can escape in that moment or not
 
Tatsumi504 said:
I'm trying to scale the different types of EE attacks we've seen to get layers of resistance before SS arc. For now there's;
  • Four realms wall <Beno leven> (Anos, Misa, Melheis, Gilisiris)
  • Chanting Flame <lanrez> (Pope gorloanna, Gospel God Dordired)
  • Arcana with Sound Manipulation ( Using Magic Flute of God).
Did I miss any? Don't mention anything involving sargeldonave, artieltonoa, MEoCD, Venuzdonoa, Egil Grone Angdroa. Nobody below God tier can scale to them.
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Can someone help me out with this? I'm trying to find layers of hax for the characters before silver sea arc.

For anti-magic based powernull there's already 5 layers.
High tier> Middle tier> low tier. each tier has 2 layers based on strengthening their anti-magic.
 
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Tatsumi504 said:
Graham turns into nothingness when destroyed. I'm hoping Anos does the same but turns into destruction/ chaos with a nonexistent source of his own. Then his true form would be pure destruction that can encompass the whole cosmology.
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If Anos source gets destroyed he should be able to escape unless his source gets destroyed along with Anos own
 
Anos is rising into the deep layers, and Graham's origin accompanies him on that journey. Can we say that Graham is also getting stronger? I mean, not only does he get stronger the more he's destroyed, does he also gain stat boosts thanks to Anos going into deep layers?
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Can someone help me out with this? I'm trying to find layers of hax for the characters before silver sea arc.

For anti-magic based powernull there's already 5 layers.
High tier> Middle tier> low tier. each tier has 2 layers based on strengthening their anti-magic.
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Nothing? Cmon people help me out here.
Caduz213 said:
Anos is rising into the deep layers, and Graham's origin accompanies him on that journey. Can we say that Graham is also getting stronger? I mean, not only does he get stronger the more he's destroyed, does he also gain stat boosts thanks to Anos going into deep layers?
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I guess he should? Anos is also getting stronger from constantly destroying him and graham gets stronger as well from being destroyed.
 
Caduz213 said:
Anos is rising into the deep layers, and Graham's origin accompanies him on that journey. Can we say that Graham is also getting stronger? I mean, not only does he get stronger the more he's destroyed, does he also gain stat boosts thanks to Anos going into deep layers?
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Inb4 graham becomes main antagonist again.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Can someone help me out with this? I'm trying to find layers of hax for the characters before silver sea arc.

For anti-magic based powernull there's already 5 layers.
High tier> Middle tier> low tier. each tier has 2 layers based on strengthening their anti-magic.
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Unfortunately I can't help with that. I don't understand much about hax layers
 
I find it weird how the fan union aren't completely fodder.

  • They were capable of resisting the Empathic Manipulation of <asc>
  • They were unaffected by avos dilhevia's brain washing that has 2 layers of potency.
  • They resisted the power absorbing effects of avos dilhevia's "demon kings army" <demera>.
This is weird.

Edit: not to mention how their love for Anos can resist 2 layers of existence erasure and give Anos passive corrosion that only corrodes the target.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
I find it weird how the fan union aren't completely fodder.

  • They were capable of resisting the Empathic Manipulation of <asc>
  • They were unaffected by avos dilhevia's brain washing that has 2 layers of potency.
  • They resisted the power absorbing effects of avos dilhevia's "demon kings army" <demera>.
This is weird
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Fan union is the most unnecessary thing in the verse.But I have to admit it's funny
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Its funny but super cringe when they start singing.
Imagine working hard to translate the WN so you can read it only for it to turn out that you translated their song😐😐
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Worse than I've read a chapter where much of the text was song. I just don't remember now what the chapter number was.It was pretty boring.Good thing they don't accompany the protagonist in every chapter
 
Tatsumi504 said:
I find it weird how the fan union aren't completely fodder.

  • They were capable of resisting the Empathic Manipulation of <asc>
  • They were unaffected by avos dilhevia's brain washing that has 2 layers of potency.
  • They resisted the power absorbing effects of avos dilhevia's "demon kings army" <demera>.
This is weird.

Edit: not to mention how their love for Anos can resist 2 layers of existence erasure and give Anos passive corrosion that only corrodes the target.
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It's one of those "Power of Love and Friendship triumph over all" shenanigans in fiction.
It's weird, but it does happen so that's that...
 
Caduz213 said:
Should exist. There are countless gods in a single world and they all represent an order.As much as no space god has been introduced, surely there must be one.
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Then does surviving in a literal void give you resistance to void manipulation?

We know nothing can exist without order but avernyu and militia existed before the world was born. If there's a gos of space which controls space then avernyu and militia should have;
  • Resistance to void manipulation
  • Probably Beyond Dimensional Existence
It might be applicable for Misha and sasha
 
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Tatsumi504 said:
Then does surviving in a literal void give you resistance to void manipulation?

We know nothing can exist without order but avernyu and militia existed before the world was born. If there's a gos of space which controls space then avernyu and militia should have;
  • Resistance to void manipulation
  • Probably Beyond Dimensional Existence
It might be applicable for Misha and sasha
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Not sure about resistance to void manipulation. Beyond Dimensional Existence can work
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Why? If it lacks even space then it should count as a legitimate void.
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The issue is, Existing in a void does not necessarily grant you void resistance if the void in the question itself is only an empty space and does not do anything to you unless the context provide (like the Umineko void where any witches would slowly have their existence erased by the said space).
 
Overlord_THE_END said:
The issue is, Existing in a void does not necessarily grant you void resistance if the void in the question itself is only an empty space and does not do anything to you unless the context provide (like the Umineko void where any witches would slowly have their existence erased by the said space).
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Yeah that's what I thought originally but I've been corrected. But in this case, the void lacks even space. If we assume warping space can bypass durability or compressor/ affecting space in anyway affects the matter inside said space, why do we assume something can exist normally without space?

Edit: does anyone know how to turn off autocorrect?😐😐
 
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Tatsumi504 said:
Yeah that's what I thought originally but I've been corrected. But in this case, the void lacks even space. If we assume warriors space can bypass durability or compressor/ affecting space in anyway affects the matter inside said space, why do we assume something can exist normally without space?
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Oh, so you're saying, this "something" could probably BDE?
 
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