Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

[Tatsumi504]

Deidrich is able to eat and absorb his opponents magic power, even their source using <nojiaz>. Its also difficult to regenerate from it.

Would this be limited Mid-godly or High-Godly Regeneration Negation?

 

[Orioreeem]

Space exists so there must be such an order

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Bump

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

I'm saying avernyu and militia could probably have BDE. If there's the order of space then that means they existed even before the very concept of space and time.

Okay.
If the Order of Time exists, then naturally the Order of Space should exist as well as part of duality system.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I'm saying avernyu and militia could probably have BDE. If there's the order of space then that means they existed even before the very concept of space and time.

Sadly, you need to prove or convince people that order of space exists

 

[ImmortalDread]

Okay.
If the Order of Time exists, then naturally the Order of Space should exist as well as part of duality system.

Is safe assumption allowed in wiki?

 

[YoPercy]

Order =/= authority. The sun of destruction and moon of creation are not the orders of destruction and creation. They're simply tools/ weapons that can utilize that order

Other examples;

• Kandaquizorte (Future God Nafta)
• Behenetos (spear of god of piercing, Beheus)
• Time God Scythe (Eugo La Raviaz)

There are still others. Like the god of traces rivalschnedd had a book, god of abortion had a pair of tweezers or something, eques had his gears, maytilen has his castle.

When the order was transformed into Venuzdonoa, and her body turned into Delsgade

it should be "When the authority was transformed into Venuzdonoa, and her body turned into Delsgade."

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Is safe assumption allowed in wiki?

Dunno.
But one can sure argue with that basis.

I mean, didn't Order get accepted as having system of Duality (type 2)? If there is an order of time, then what it's partner in the duality system other than space?

Tho this is only my logical thought process leading to this conclusion.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Space and Time is not a duality.

 

[YoPercy]

For now I need just 8D + plot hax scale. Hate it people just treating him as multi+

I need High 1B rating for Anos, it's annoying when people put him against fodders.

Still arguing with the guy who says Alien X is high hyper

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Space and Time is not a duality.

Huh, really?

Damn, I was convinced Space-Time is Duality concept.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Huh, really?

Damn, I was convinced Space-Time is Duality concept.

bro what

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

It can be if the verse says it is. Otherwise, not.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

bro what

as space and time can be thought of as dual concepts, as well as existing within/outside spatio-temporal dimensionality.

I thought Space-Time is duality because of this quote from the Transduality page.

Convinced myself they for sure are duality.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

It can be if the verse says it is. Otherwise, not.

Ah, so it's matter of case by case scenario and not necessarily duality unless explicitly state to be so.

Gotcha.

 

[Fixxed]

I thought Space-Time is duality because of this quote from the Transduality page.

Convinced myself they for sure are duality.

Even existance-nonexistance, light-dark, hot-cool.... is not duality in logic if the verse consider they not interwined to each other

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Even existance-nonexistance, light-dark, hot-cool.... is not duality in logic if the verse consider they not interwined to each other

I see, I see.

Thank you, learning something new everyday.

 

[Tatsumi504]

it should be "When the authority was transformed into Venuzdonoa, and her body turned into Delsgade."

The authority was transformed into Venuzdonoa not the order. If any order is destroyed the world would be destroyed as well. Anos destroyed Kandaquizorte yet nothing happened to the world.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Okay.
If the Order of Time exists, then naturally the Order of Space should exist as well as part of duality system.

Unfortunately, that's only if the verse considers them as being dual, same with cause and effect

 

[YoPercy]

The authority was transformed into Venuzdonoa not the order. If any order is destroyed the world would be destroyed as well. Anos destroyed Kandaquizorte yet nothing happened to the world.

ok thx, so it was a typo.

 

[Fixxed]

I think the spirit's world is bigger than demon's and human's. It can contain snake that the size it self 333× bigger then the world (planet), and will become bigger and bigger because the rumors is sparked rumors

Spoiler: Chapter 139

「長き蛇エピテオというのは、この世のなによりも長い蛇という噂と伝承から生まれた精霊だねぇ。生まれた当時は世界を一周するぐらいのサイズだったが、噂が噂を呼び、現在では約世界三三三周ほどの体長がある。あまりの長さから、この精霊の学舎にある魔法の沼の中でしか生息できなくなってしまった。時折、そこを通じて七つの海に頭だけを出すと言われているねぇ」

「うむ。正解じゃ」
"The Long Snake Epiteo is a spirit born from rumors and lore that it is the longest snake in the world. When it was born, it was big enough to go around the world. But rumors sparked rumors, and now it has a body length of about 333 laps around of the world. Because of its excessive length, it can only live in the magical swamp of this school of spirits. Sometimes it is said that only its head can go out into the seven seas through it"

"Umu. Correct answer"
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このエニユニエンの大樹はかなりの広さだ。

　内部に長き蛇エピテオが生息する沼もあるということは、魔法空間にもなっているのだろう。
This great tree of Anyunien is quite large.

The fact that there is also a swamp inhabited by the Long Snake Epiteo means that it is also a magical space.

 

[YoPercy]

If you transcend space-time, does that give you immeasurable speed?

 

[Dereck03]

No.

 

[YoPercy]

thank god another profile pic change

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I think the spirit's world is bigger than demon's and human's. It can contain snake that the size it self 333× bigger then the world (planet), and will become bigger and bigger because the rumors is sparked rumors

Spoiler: Chapter 139

「長き蛇エピテオというのは、この世のなによりも長い蛇という噂と伝承から生まれた精霊だねぇ。生まれた当時は世界を一周するぐらいのサイズだったが、噂が噂を呼び、現在では約世界三三三周ほどの体長がある。あまりの長さから、この精霊の学舎にある魔法の沼の中でしか生息できなくなってしまった。時折、そこを通じて七つの海に頭だけを出すと言われているねぇ」

「うむ。正解じゃ」
"The Long Snake Epiteo is a spirit born from rumors and lore that it is the longest snake in the world. When it was born, it was big enough to go around the world. But rumors sparked rumors, and now it has a body length of about 333 laps around of the world. Because of its excessive length, it can only live in the magical swamp of this school of spirits. Sometimes it is said that only its head can go out into the seven seas through it"

"Umu. Correct answer"
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このエニユニエンの大樹はかなりの広さだ。

　内部に長き蛇エピテオが生息する沼もあるということは、魔法空間にもなっているのだろう。
This great tree of Anyunien is quite large.

The fact that there is also a swamp inhabited by the Long Snake Epiteo means that it is also a magical space.

No wonder

 

[Orioreeem]

Anos and Graham would also get BDE if order of space is a thing because of transduality no? I think Anos fought Eges outside space-time as well so that could be used as a supporting evidence.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Anos and Graham would also get BDE if order of space is a thing because of transduality no? I think Anos fought Eges outside space-time as well so that could be used as a supporting evidence.

Isn't that's some space created by Eges ?

 

[Glis]

「空間の秩序がおかしい」



「ふむ。確かにな。あの内部では、空間の位置が定まらぬように見える。あの門の力だろうが、＜破滅の太陽＞と＜創造の月＞は二つの座標を与えられているといったところか

"There is something wrong with the order of space."


"Hm. Indeed. It seems that the position of space is not fixed in that interior. Perhaps it is the power of the gate, but the Sun of Doom and the Moon of Creation are given two coordinates" .

Something like Order of space was mentioned in chapter 444. Although, I can't exactly recall(and i don't have enough time on reading those chapters again) if it was reffering to the literaral Order of space and not its position/coordinates.

 

[Tatsumi504]

I think the spirit's world is bigger than demon's and human's. It can contain snake that the size it self 333× bigger then the world (planet), and will become bigger and bigger because the rumors is sparked rumors

Spoiler: Chapter 139

「長き蛇エピテオというのは、この世のなによりも長い蛇という噂と伝承から生まれた精霊だねぇ。生まれた当時は世界を一周するぐらいのサイズだったが、噂が噂を呼び、現在では約世界三三三周ほどの体長がある。あまりの長さから、この精霊の学舎にある魔法の沼の中でしか生息できなくなってしまった。時折、そこを通じて七つの海に頭だけを出すと言われているねぇ」

「うむ。正解じゃ」
"The Long Snake Epiteo is a spirit born from rumors and lore that it is the longest snake in the world. When it was born, it was big enough to go around the world. But rumors sparked rumors, and now it has a body length of about 333 laps around of the world. Because of its excessive length, it can only live in the magical swamp of this school of spirits. Sometimes it is said that only its head can go out into the seven seas through it"

"Umu. Correct answer"
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このエニユニエンの大樹はかなりの広さだ。

　内部に長き蛇エピテオが生息する沼もあるということは、魔法空間にもなっているのだろう。
This great tree of Anyunien is quite large.

The fact that there is also a swamp inhabited by the Long Snake Epiteo means that it is also a magical space.

The Great Tree of Education enyunien is ******* humongous but also has pocket reality manipulation. The snake is inside the tree but I agree, alharthern is huge.

 

[ImmortalDread]

If you transcend space-time, does that give you immeasurable speed?

no bro, grow up that shit is boring af

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Would Sasha be able to destroy the void with her sun authority?

 

[Orioreeem]

Transcending concepts of space and time should be enough for BDE 2?

 

[Tatsumi504]

Would Sasha be able to destroy the void with her sun authority?

What void?

Transcending concepts of space and time should be enough for BDE 2?

I honestly don't know

 

[Dereck03]

Transcending concepts of space and time should be enough for BDE 2?

What void?

I honestly don't know

Type 2: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features and being superior to them in nature. These characters aren't necessarily superior to spacetime on every level, but just within the scope which they are shown. Due to transcending this spacetime they are immune to Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation of it. They furthermore inherit any benefits of Type 1.

Sure ig

 

[WarbleComeBack]

I was like wow, MG discussion thread must be dead dead because I didn’t have any notifications from it but you crazy little devil worshipers went like 4 pages since I last read this. All caught up now.

 

[Tatsumi504]

I was like wow, MG discussion thread must be dead dead because I didn’t have any notifications from it but you crazy little devil worshipers went like 4 pages since I last read this. All caught up now.

It happens when we enter a new page. I once stopped getting notifications for 4 days, thought the thread was dead only to see 7pages worth of content later

 

[Tatsumi504]

Type 2: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features and being superior to them in nature. These characters aren't necessarily superior to spacetime on every level, but just within the scope which they are shown. Due to transcending this spacetime they are immune to Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation of it. They furthermore inherit any benefits of Type 1.

Sure ig

I guess they qualify then, only problem is they aren't militia and avernyu right now

 

[Iiliminal]

this thread soon gonna have 100 pages lol

 

[Shadow_Somnius]

A genuine question. If MEOCD's aftereffects = Venezdonor which destroys Reason itself, then what is the hypothetical level of destruction he can reach with the Chaotic eyes unsuppressed?

 

[Dereck03]

New TD draft is here.... We need the CRT for Arcana order.... If order is 0 and 1 then the Arcana order would be neither 0 nor 1 and then reason would be neither those and the Chaos & Nothingness would be......... Arghhh