Major Tentomon Upgrade

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I looked at Tentomon's page and all I found was downplay. Superhuman Lifting Strength for Kabuterimon? Small Planet Level Attack Potency and Durability for Herculeskabuterimon? Massively Hypersonic speeds for Megakabuterimon? I can think of better feats than that off the top of my head.

>Megakabuterimon has a ~Solar System level feat from his first appearance.

>Megakabuterimon's Horn Buster attack travelled several times a small planet's length in a couple seconds before hitting Vademon.

>Herculeskabuterimon pushed back EVERYONE, those same people also took down Apocalymon, and that's when they didn't have Meicoomon's Mega form. That's basically a Universal+ feat.

>Kabuterimon pushing back Andromon who beat both Greymon and Garurumon would be a Class G feat, not a friggin' Superhuman feat.

>MENTION that Izzy is even smarter than Ken, who is smarter than basically every grown up.

>ADD that Motimon was created from the dictionary function of a computer, meaning that Motimon and all of his evolutions would know every single word.

Etc, I might think of more.

 

[Reppuzan]

Whoa whoa. Slow down buddy.

Name said Solar System feat so we can evaluate it (I'm assuming it's the Vademon thing).

I'm afraid I haven't watched that episode in ages, so I'll need to go back and confirm what you're saying.

Apocalymon's Universal feat is limited to his suicide attack.

This may be plausible.

Yeah, I didn't write the intelligence for his page. I need to get to that later.

Well, it's already been established that Izzy and Tentomon are the most intellectual of the DigiDestined.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

It is the Vademon thing. He got a planet thrown at him AND there was a nebula behind Izzy.

Total Annihilation is when Apocalymon unleashes his full power. Apparently.

 

[Reppuzan]

Said "planet" was only the size of MegaKabuterimon himself, so no dice.

It's a suicide attack. Quote the official profile:

"Detonates its whole body with enough force to wipe out an entire dimension."

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

In what way was Megakabuterimon as big as that planet? It was many times bigger just due to animation, and Vademon himself said it was a planet.

I know, one where he uses his full power.

 

[Reppuzan]

After rewatching the scene, I've come to the conclusion that it is indeed bigger than MegaKabuterimon but still nowhere near large enough to be a planet.

Unless you want to tell me that MegaKabuterimon is as large as a stacked Great Wall of China, that is most definitely not a real planet.

Meaning he dies in the process and thus it can't be applied to his standard power ratings.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Actually, the Great Wall of China isn't viewable from space. They probably did it due to animation constraints or to show both Megakabuterimon and the planet, but Vademon, the one who summoned the planet, says it's a planet. And the planet isn't the only thing he blew up.

 

[Reppuzan]

Hyperbole. It would be MUCH larger if it were an actual planet.

As for the Great Wall of China issue, I'd beg to differ.

If he uses up all his power in an attack where he dies, it can't be applied to his regular stat ratings.

In addition, this level of power is heavily inconsistent as to what Ultimates are supposed to be capable of and would likely be an outlier even if this were legit.

 

[GallantKnight_X]

I agree with Reppuzan even if it was true it would just be an outlier, besides he is scaled to the other digidestined's megas except Seraphimon and Ophanimon of course, and Reppu already did an upgrade to the adventure profiles due to some confession feats.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

That's from such a low distance that you can see buildings.

The Tentomon line is supposed to be THE most OP Digidestined that have ever lived, of course he is.

He didn't destroy JUST the planet. Megakabuterimon has also injured Puppetmon who is equal to Wargreymon, and one-shotted a Machinedramon clone THROUGH his Giga Cannon.

I just feel like there's some downplay going on.

 

[Reppuzan]

It's from a satellite. So I doubt that.

Says who?

This seems more legitimate. I don't remember the Machinedramon clone though. Nevertheless, I'd like to consult with the rest of the Digimon supporters before we do this.

Trust me, I'm the LAST person to be downplaying Digimon.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Well, Vademon's pocket dimenion size is only really the size of a few mountains (after its destroyed, we see a few mountains shake before MegaKabuterimon comes out), so its not remotely that big. Also, the novel adaption (which I believe is considered canon) kind of implies that he didn't really destroy it, but defeating Vademon collapsed the dimension. Hell, the novel even calls it an illusion (which also makes the Vademon star busting feat mute, welp)

"I think the peak covered in clouds was an illusion made by Vadermon," Koushiro answered with a sunny smile."

>Megakabuterimon's Horn Buster attack travelled several times a small planet's length in a couple seconds before hitting Vademon.

Said Planet MegaKabuterimon was quite small. Theirs a calc that puts it at Small Town-ish in size. I guess a minor range upgrade could be in order since he did destroy it and then some.

>Herculeskabuterimon pushed back EVERYONE, those same people also took down Apocalymon, and that's when they didn't have Meicoomon's Mega form. That's basically a Universal+ feat.

But its only through a suicide attack. If we scaled that suicide attack to everyones AP then a huge number of characters would get Universal+ would enters outlier terrirtory.

>MENTION that Izzy is even smarter than Ken, who is smarter than basically every grown up.

I'm fine with that.

>Kabuterimon pushing back Andromon who beat both Greymon and Garurumon would be a Class G feat, not a friggin' Superhuman feat.

Greymons official weight is only 30g. Seriously. Although, the Champion level Digimon do have some pretty good lifting feats that I forgot to add. Birdramon lifted an entire plane for example.

He didn't destroy JUST the planet. Megakabuterimon has also injured Puppetmon who is equal to Wargreymon, and one-shotted a Machinedramon clone THROUGH his Giga Cannon.

This is a pretty good point though. Zudomon also killed MetalEtemon who laughed off Puppetmons attacks. Scaling Ultmiates as "At least 6-B, possibly Low 5-B" and maybe higher tier megas off of Imperialdramon FMs lore feats might work.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

How could he fit an entire planet in his dimension then, and how is there a nebula behind Izzy?

Vademon confirmed it was a planet, and it was bigger than an entire esteroid field.

Apocalymon's mere existance was also able to heavily distort the Digital World as well.

Greymon is better at pushing than Birdramon. And what does the g in 30g stand for?

 

[GallantKnight_X]

g as in grams(the mertric system) beating apocalymon was a team effort and it was their crests that really effected him, even if it was true that would just be another outlier and the size of the "planet" is pretty small tbh. if you keep on this thread could get closed

 

[Reppuzan]

Izzy's and Tentomon's profile cover their showings in the anime. Vademon's official description might call it a planet, but it is in actuality way too small to be considered one. It's like a character saying, "This thing weighs like a million pounds" when in all actuality it only weighs a few tons.

Perhaps, but he has yet to show any feats that would suggest that he would be anywhere near Tier 2 on his own outside of his Total Annihilation attack.

Digimon are comparatively light due to being made of data.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

The planet feat was actually calced awhile back, it was only 100m/300 feat so not very impressive.

http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blo...planetoid-destroyed-by-megakabuterimon.15586/

And I wouldn't feel right in closing this thread as there are still some genuinely good points brought up by the OP.

But yeah, officially Greymon is only 30g, which is less than 1 kg...the avergae adult human is 90 kg...I think they messed up on the math. Oh well.

 

[GallantKnight_X]

well levels in digimon indeed dont always represent strength like clockmon being champion level and platinumnumemon being mega level its more of a natural process and it is possible for an ultimate to be stronger than other ultimates. also puppetmon was tricky to defeat, but garudamon was able to crush his hammer to bits and without it he is pretty weak because the other things he had was his wooden boomerang and the house which arent very impressive tbh.

 

[Reppuzan]

@GallantKnight X

There are exceptions to the rule, but given the rest of the DigiDestined's feats this would be considered a rather large jump that would not be consistent with the rest of their showings.

I'm fine with Possibly Low 5-B along with some proper explanations, but this brings up the question on how to rate Megas like WarGreymo, MetalGarurumo, Rosemo, Vikemo e.t.c. Not to mention Imperialdramo, Magnadramo and Seraphimo.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

So um...I calced MegaKabuterimons planet feat and I got low end Multi-City Block out of it...weak. I also estimated the weight of the planetoid and got 4020800 kg out of it. Possible lifting strength upgrade I guess?

I think the Mega's would be 5-B scaling off of Imperialdramons Planet destruction feat in the lore, as well as them being well above the Dark Masters. WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon survived hits from Alphamon if I recall so I don't think it be an inconsistency.

 

[GallantKnight_X]

could you show a link where they tank hits from him, i dont recall them doing so

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Ahh, I misremembered the scene. My bad. I'm quite confused with what to do with the Megas as well.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Kabuterimon needed two hits to be put down by Alphamon by the way, while everyone else needed one hit, and Togemon didn't need to be hit at all.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Imperialdramon Fighter Mode is Multi-Star level, based on this feat:

 

[GallantKnight_X]

maybe, they could be 5b for beating up imperialdramon(dark) and trumping the dark masters, what do you think just a possibility? Sean dont scale kabuterimon to alpha thats going a little too far and we already have this scan.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

@SASP

We're using that feat only for his Dawn/Dusk apperence and use his 5-B feat for other counterparts.

@GallantKnight X

We tried doing that when Tri 2 came out, honestly I have no idea why we didn't accept since it sounds reasonable.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

@Gallantknight X

I'm not scaling, I'm just explaining further reasoning why Herculeskabuterimon could be Universal.

Kabuterimon needed 2 hits to be put down.

Kabuterimon is most likely 8x as strong as Tentomon, scaling from Kuwagamon, and the fact that Herculeskabuterimon could push back at least 8 other Digidestined. If this multiplier were constant, we would have this:

Megakabuterimon would need 16 hits to be put down.

Herculeskabuterimon would need 128 hits to be put down.

Remember, this is just theoretical.

 

[Reppuzan]

I would like to bring up the fact that Imperialdramon is supposed to be much stronger than normal Megas due to being the Form Change of a DNA Digivolved Mega level Digimon. It may or may not be a good idea to directly scale from him.

 

[Executor_N0]

Well, Vademon's pocket dimenion size is only really the size of a few mountains (after its destroyed, we see a few mountains shake before MegaKabuterimon comes out), so its not remotely that big. Also, the novel adaption (which I believe is considered canon) kind of implies that he didn't really destroy it, but defeating Vademon collapsed the dimension. Hell, the novel even calls it an illusion (which also makes the Vademon star busting feat mute, welp)
"I think the peak covered in clouds was an illusion made by Vadermon," Koushiro answered with a sunny smile."

In fact, the information about being an illusion is not about "Mysterious Universe" but about the mountain does not have a peak:

While the air was fresh on the mountain, it was also thin, so Koushiro's breathing naturally began to grow heavier as they ascended. Tentomon kept suggesting that they climb back down, but Koushiro just as stubbornly refused. His irresistible desire to see what lay hidden behind the clouds around the mountain peak was not unnoticed by Tentomon.

"All right, have it your way, " Tentomon said, relenting. "Your mind is always ever so curious. I will let you do as you wish."


But no matter how much they kept climbing, they could not reach the top.


The more they climbed, the more it seemed to Tentomon that their distance to the peak grew farther and farther.


"I think it would be faster if I evolved to Kabuterimon and flew us up there, wouldn't you say?" he suggested, growing impatient at last. But Koushiro shook his head.


"We can't do that. Going step by step is what gives meaning to climbing a mountain," he said, lecturing Tentomon instead. Tentomon gave in and resumed trudging up the mountain again.


How many days had passed since they had first stepped onto this mountain? Along the slope, they came across a dilapidated mountain hut that was slightly crooked.


"Let's take a break here," Koushiro said. When they went inside, they met a single Digimon. He appeared to be either an octopus or a plant Digimon with a giant brain, and called himself Vadermon. He said that he was the landlord, of sorts, of this mountain hut, and had lived here for a very long time.


"How far away is it to the peak?" Koushiro asked, to which Vadermon replied,


"What makes you believe that this mountain has a peak?"

"Um… But it's only natural for a mountain to have a peak," Koushiro answered.


Vadermon slowly shook his head.


"This is your first time climbing this mountain, is it not? And yet, you have come to the conclusion that this mountain is the same as the others. You put to use your current knowledge, limited in what you only know so far, and you have reasoned that this mountain is probably no different. Is that correct?"


The relationship of the illusion about this is confirmed in the stretch that you put:

"I think the peak covered in clouds was an illusion made by Vadermon," Koushiro answered with a sunny smile.


Nothing about the universe is an illusion were told, it was only told that the clouds were possibly an illusion.

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