Major Shikkoku no Sharnoth Revisions

[Celestial_Pegasus]

AP​

Jane Doe​

Wall level​

Jane killed her Meta=Critter with her own bare hands (Chapter 7). I show below that even Faerie types have wall lvl feats. She is also apparently durable enough to tank bullets (Chapter 7)

Winston​

Wall level with Gun​

Can kill any living thing (Chapter 4) with one shot of his gun, which would mean it can kill an Elephant

Abilities​

Bram Stoker​

Bodily Weaponry​

Redcap has long claws (Chapter 5)

Duplication​

Redcap can split into 6 (Chapter 5)

Vibration Manipulation​

Troll has quakes strong enough to shatter paved roads (Chapter 6)

Supernatural Willpower​

Endured the pain of his body and soul being torn apart (Chapter 6), due to his love, after his Meta=Critter was destroyed (Chapter 6)

Charlotte Bronte​

Duplication​

This is a standard Meta=Critter ability, we don't currently list her Meta=Critter. It can split into 6 (Chapter 1). I was going to also list the other standard stuff ie mind and fear manipulation, but that's been on the profiles as something Meta=Critters can do for years, it doesn't need repeated, but yes her Meta=Critter can do those as well.

Bodily Weaponry​

Jack in Irons has sharp claws (Chapter 1)

Acid Manipulation​

The fluids from Jack's body can make holes in stone (Chapter 1)

Sebastian Moran​

Resistance to Memory Manipulation​

Remembers her past, even after her memory circuits are overwritten (Chapter 2)

Resistance to Fragrance Manipulation​

Moran is equipped with an olfactory input blocking function (Chapter 9)

Sensory Manipulation​

Moran can remove herself from people's vision and consciousness (Chapter 3)

Weapon Mastery​

Moran knows how to use knives (Chapter 7)

Instinctive Action​

Can automatically destroy (Chapter 7) any threats to herself

Technology Manipulation​

Moran's body allows her to answer calls (Chapter 9), which she can do without picking up a receiver (Chapter 9)

Self-Sustenance (Type 3)​

Moran has no need for sleep (Chapter 9), and her body never deactivates (Chapter 9)

Winston Churchill​

Shapeshift​

His faerie type Meta=Critter can change it's form at will (Chapter 3)

Social Influencing​

Everything about Winston draws people to him (Chapter 3). He can manipulate the minds of predictable people (Chapter 4)

Limited Invisibility​

Black Dog has invisible blades of winds (Chapter 4)

Extrasensory Perception​

Can sense the presence of others (Chapter 4)

Supernatural Willpower​

His resolve (Chapter 4) allowed him to endure, and actually repair the damage to his mind (Chapter 4) after his Meta=Critter was destroyed

Jane​

Extrasensory Perception​

Sensed Elly (Chapter 7), who was hiding under Mary's bed (Chapter 7)

Non-Physical Interaction​

Killed her Meta=Critter (Chapter 7)

Social Influencing​

Her smile alone (Chapter 7) has the power to overwhelm others (Chapter 7). She is able to converse with Arthur (Chapter 8), who is less social (Chapter 8) than even fully automatic Maid Engines

Stealth Mastery​

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Slipped past all (Chapter 7) of Moran's sensory engines

Information Manipulation (Type 1)​

Can control information (Chapter 8) to make herself or others impossible to detect

Memory Manipulation​

Her words can cause others to forget things (Chapter 8)

Telepathy​

Can read (Chapter 8) the minds of other (Chapter 8)

Deconstruction​

Kelpie is able to dissolve people (Chapter 8)

Flight​

Kelpie flies through the sky (Chapter 8)

Mary Clarissa Christie​

Clairvoyance​

Her Engine Phone has the ability to gather the voices of Meta=Critters (Chapter 3), which are the leftovers feelings (Chapter 6) that gave birth to their Meta=Critter, and it also leads Mary to others (Chapter 10)

Supernatural Willpower​

Even under the effects (Chapter 4) of Meta=Critters ability which invokes fear, her willpower stands firm (Chapter 4)

Resistance to Sleep Manipulation​

Resisted bring put to sleep by Heinz (Chapter 9)

M/Baron​

Sleep Manipulation​

Can cause people to fall unconscious just by looking at them (Chapter 9)

Bodily Weaponry​

Can shapeshift, giving himself fangs (Chapter 10)

Stealth Mastery​

M has a weak presence (Chapter 10), which makes it hard for people to notice him (Chapter 1)

Aura (Overwhelming)​

His left eye alone can overpower others (Chapter 3)

Chaos Manipulation​

This ability may be iffy? It's stated that M stands at the peak of repulsive chaos (Chapter 3), as the writhing dark universe incarnate

Void Manipulation​

Surprisingly not on his profile already, M has control over Sharnoth (Chapter 3), which is a world (Chapter 10) of nothingness (Chapter 10)

Body Control​

Can extend black things (Chapter 9) from his body to envelop others

Information Analysis​

Can see everything which composes a person (Chapter 9), even their feelings (Chapter 9)

Extrasensory Perception​

M can sense (Chapter 10) the presence of others

Temperature Manipulation​

Can change the temperature of his body (Chapter 10)

Information Manipulation (Type 1), and Resistance to Information Manipulation (Type 1)​

Similar to Jane, M can also make it hard for anyone to get information (Chapter 8) about himself or those he chooses, leaving anti-search traps (Chapter 8) in the information network. M can't be detected by Moran (Chapter 9), who has control over all the information in London (Chapter 3)

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Others​

Intelligence​

Bram Stoker​

Gifted​

Abram is a horror novelist on par with Mary Shelley (Chapter 5), and was a student at the Royal College For Scholars (Chapter 5). I will get to the Royal College in the next section, basically anyone who got in there should be gifted.

Charlotte​

At least Gifted​

Charlie is the smartest girl at the College (Chapter 1)

Josef Capek​

Gifted​

Josef is a Scholar studying sociology and Engine Science (Chapter 1)

Moran​

Extraordinary Genius​

Moran has access to information about overseas business transactions, encrypted data from banks, and even behavioral information based on citizen numbers (Chapter 2). She can see all the information, in the network at the same time (Chapter 7), which is more data than anyone can count, countless series of numbers (Chapter 9). She also has a calculator as a brain which can compute possibilities (Chapter 9).

Winston​

Extraordinary Genius​

Winston is a genius (Chapter 3) who has learnt every subject imaginable (Chapter 4)

Stamina​

Bram​

Superhuman Stamina​

Endured the pain of his body and soul being torn apart (Chapter 6), after his Meta=Critter was destroyed (Chapter 6)

Jane​

Superhuman Stamina​

Like Bram, she also was able to endure the pain (Chapter 8) of having her Meta=Critter destroyed

Mary​

Athletic Stamina​

Even after she can't move anymore (Chapter 3), she can still push herself to keep running (Chapter 3). Also stated to surpass her limits (Chapter 6) when running from Meta=Critters

Moran​

Superhuman Stamina​

Didn't feel pain after losing an arm (Chapter 10)

Lifting Strength​

Jane​

Class 25 to Class K​

Kelpie was noted by Baron to be the most powerful Meta=Critter, so doesn't scale to anyone else. It's stated that Kelpie crushed people (Chapter 8), which gives this rating

Range​

Moran​

Hundreds of Meters​

Can detect things within a 3000ft radius (Chapter 7)

General Revisions​

Royal College​

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The college is a scholar training facility (Chapter 1), which nurtures young skilled minds (Chapter 1), with exceptionally high education (Chapter 1),

High Ranking Agents​

It's stated that high ranking agents/the core of the society have control of the shadowmen (Chapter 9). This applies to Jane, M, and actually Golden King from Gahkthun, even though for the latter two, it's pretty insignificant compared to their own abilities, but yea the shadowmen should be standard equipment.

Wall level, higher with Engine Gun​

Shadowmen can kick down doors (Chapter 7), which requires this rating. Unaffected by Winston's gun, which can kill any living thing (Chapter 4) with one shot of his gun. They are also equipped with guns (Chapter 10) that can turn people into red mist

Invisibility​

The Shadowmen are invisible (Chapter 3)

Resistance to Sensory Manipulation, and Illusion Creation​

Members of the Society are unaffected (Chapter 3) by Moran's suggestion camoflauge (Chapter 3)

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Meta=Critters​

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Large Size (Type 0) For Meta=Critters​

Meta=Critters are taller (Chapter 5) than the roof of any room

Wall Level For Faerie Type Meta=Critters​

Meat=Critter Hosts such as Bram Stoker, and Winston Churchill should have 2 keys, one for each type of Meta=Critter they have. Bram's faerie type is called Redcap, and it statements of easily tearing through stone (Chapter 5). Charlie's Jack, can easily cut a human into two (Chapter 1)

Average Human level Speed For Meta=Critters​

We currently only list the speed for the Host, looking at it, it's stated that they are as nimble as a small animal (Chapter 5), i looked around our real world page, and the speed there varies from Below Average Human level to Superhuman. I think Average Human level, makes the most sense, as they are unable to catch Mary until she gets tired, who originally didn't even train in running, however all those times she had a head start, so even if they were just as fast, makes sense why they couldn't catch up.

Inorganic Physiology (Type 1)​

Redcap, a faerie type is made of steel (Chapter 5), same thing was said about Charlies Jack, while Luminary types like Troll are made up of the elements such as earth (Chapter 6)

Paralysis Inducement For Meta=Critters​

Meta=Critters cause others to be unable to breath (Chapter 6), causing them to be unable to even scream (Chapter 1)

Sensory Manipulation and Illussion Creation For Meta=Critters​

Meta=Critters can hide themselves (Chapter 6), a feat similar to suggestion camouflage (Chapter 6)

Immortality (Type 4) For Meta=Critters​

When a Meta=Critter is destroyed (Chapter 6), they just come back later in an even stronger form (Chapter 6)

Reactive Evolution For Meta=Critters​

Meta=Critters have the ability to change in response to threats (Chapter 5). For example after being destroyed by Moran (Chapter 6), Redcap changed into Troll, (Chapter 7) who now couldn't be destroyed by Moran (Chapter 6), in fact it's stated if Moran keeps attacking it, it will actually strengthen it even further (Chapter 6). It also seems that by killing others, they can also change (Chapter 4). This gives them greater ap, as Redcap is like wall level, and Troll is around building level, but they do get new abilities, as troll got the ability to manipulate earth.

Resistance to Law Manipulation​

Nothing in creation allows a Meta=Critter to exist, this is a preordained divine law (Chapter 2), and yet they exist anyway (Chapter 2)

Summoning, and Dimensional Travel​

Meta=Critters can drag their chosen sacrifices (Chapter 7) to the Interstice, a black place between Sharnoth and the real world (Chapter 3).

Self-Sustenance (Type 1)​

Salamander's flames prevent it from breathing (Chapter 2). I think type 1 should only be for Luminary Types, as clearly why salamander can't breath is due to it's flames, the others Kelpie, Troll, Black Dog, are similarly surrounded by elements like water, fire, and earth, but this isn't the case for Faerie types.

Extrasensory Perception​

Meta=Critter can't hear or see (Chapter 6), and yet they can still find their sacrifices (Chapter 6)

Abstract Existence (Type 1; Thoughts and Equations)​

Surprised they didn't already have this, the evidence is already under their intangibility; beings of paranormal phenomena (Chapter 2) and illusions, born from darkness (Chapter 1), who shouldn't exist outside a fairy tale (Chapter 1), created from their Hosts feelings (Chapter 6) etc. Adding on to all that, when they manifest it's stated to be Equation pattern thought noise (Chapter 5). We know they are born from feelings so being thought makes sense, and equation is a known thing since Inganock that these illusory beings come from Equations, whether it's The Equation/Cracking is not confirmed though. It is also stated they came from Josef Capek's equation (Chapter 7)

Sound Manipulation and Madness Manipulation (Type 2)​

A nice throwback to Inganock, Meta=Critters can also drive people insane (Chapter 6) using a voice of Panic (Chapter 6). Everyone who resist their stuff would also get resistances to these abilities ie Mary, Moran

Golden Eye/Sword of Rejection​

These are primarily for Mary and Charlotte, as their feats are absurd, other users like Ati haven't shown anything on this scale

Statistics Amplification​

Mary and Charlotte are regular humans, yet when holding the Thorn, can get faster than the eye can see (Chapter 10). We also see Mary and Charlotte repeatedly clashing with each other (Chapter 10) with the Thorn, the same thing that can easily kill Meta=Critters, they clearly aren't just normal humans anymore, and should pretty much get keys with the Thorn/Sword of Rejection, their stats, like ap and durability would scale to Meta=Critters

Clairvoyance​

Just from hearing rumors about Meta=Critters, Mary had day dreams (Chapter 1), seeing them (Chapter 1), despite at that point never having seen a Meta=Critter. Just from hearing the sound of water, animals and people (Chapter 3), she was able visualize them (Chapter 3), despite being at home in bed

Limited Retrocognition​

Kinda ties back into clairvoyance? But when dreaming (Chapter 9), Mary can perceive events (Chapter 9) which occurred in the past. When she wakes up though she forgets what she saw, and only keeping the emotions she felt (Chapter 9). It is also stated that the Golden Eyes can see through old things of the past (Chapter 1)

Information Analysis, and Extrasensory Perception​

The Golden Eye informs their user whether someone is lying or not (Chapter 3), when the space around them has been interfered with (Chapter 10), and even the nature of things such as who exactly wrote a letter (Chapter 10), and it even gives its user's awareness that Sharnoth (Chapter 10) was an eternal, infinite world, and even that Sharnoth and M, are one and the same (Chapter 10). It tells the user the correct path to go (Chapter 10), even within the infinite world of Sharnoth. The Golden Eye can accurately tell whether someone can be saved (Chapter 10), analyze the movements of others, and tell its user the muscles (Chapter 10) they need to use to attack, and the timing of when to attack (Chapter 10). It can also see where people are hiding (Chapter 7), and sense whether someone is near them or looking at them (Chapter 10)

Cosmic Awareness​

From within her own Sharnoth, which is infinite, Mary was able to look beyond it (Chapter 10), and then into the Sharnoth (Chapter 10), which had M, who was looking down at her (Chapter 10). Think this would give like Low Multiversal range with Cosmic Awareness, but this is sort of conditional, she did this cause she was being trapped/deceived in her own Sharnoth, so realistically in a vs match, could only see this coming into play if someone for example was casting an attack/hax from far away or if she was fighting the avatar of someone whose true form existed in another universe or something.

Resistance to Memory Manipulation​

The Golden Eye can give it's users memories they have forgotten (Chapter 10)

Resistance to Sensory Manipulation, and Illusion Creation​

The Golden Eye can see the truth of things (Chapter 3). I already posted about it before, about Mary being put in a Sharnoth of her own, in that Sharnoth, she lost her memories, hence why just above this, i posted above memory resistance, the eye gave her memories back, she saw through it being fake/not what she wanted to see M, that's all under Cosmic Awareness.

The Golden Eye can tell whether something is real or false (Chapter 10), Mary saw Moran (Chapter 1) when she was under suggestion camouflage (Chapter 1), which is described as an illusion which remove herself from people's vision and consciousness (Chapter 3)

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[Megaraptor149]

Should M get BDE Type 2?

Since he not only beyond time and space, also he the same as Sharnoth which is eternal world nothingness where there are no time and time doesn't pass in there. And he predates the creation of universe. It's proof he lacking spatial-temporal feature.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Actually now that I think about it yes, he would be type 2 due to being the same as Sharnoth which has absolutely nothing, while also being beyond time and space.

The more abstract he gets the harder it is to give him any resistances cause it can be attributed to ppl not being able to affect him...

Was going to make an argument he resists Meta=Critter stuff as it does nothing to him, but then I remembered all the abstract nonsense going on with him.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Fking christ, this is a lot lololol.

I agree. Nice job with the comp collection on these guys xD.

About M, yeah you keep giving this guy anything we find in various mats and he just ends up not getting no resistances lol.

This is true tbf since even Old Ones (Ancient spirits, Gods, illusionary beings that embodied various things in the world...all that sort) weren't even able to touch him or even one of his thousand manifestations.

MASSIVE SPOILERS because it's post Sona Nyl VN related...

Spoiler

Once

Once, before the fragile and ephemeral ones had the light of civilization in their hands

There was the Old Ones

Dead spirits, Earth spirits, Faieries, they were all sorts of things

Some were kings who were called gods, but they were too small to give their names to

All those who fancy themselves as being illusions
Those who have been dwarfed and disappeared like a shadow before the dawn of man

Still, they were closer to us than some of you

It was only a dream
If Heisenberg had existed in ancient times, there would have been a different way of being

It's no use nowadays

They have served one of my thousand manifestations well, but none could reach me

I even opened up my dark nebula palace to them, but still

There wasn't even a single one

My Darkness, My Shadow, My Jet Black, nothing has ever spiraled upward to my being, one of the "elements" that make up the Dark Universe, and no one has ever risen in rank

Far from its chaos

...

Source, Engine Dictionary, "Wandering Dream", Slumber of Nyarlathotep (Black King)

This is pretty significant as there are characters in another series who can merge or use the power of Old Ones to harm another calamity-type esque race of beings in Steampunk (as per the staple)

Spoiler

ホラーとは遺跡迷宮に巣くう魔物、妖物の名称です。
不定形の歪んだ影のような怪物、人型、獣型などが存在し、
どれも白く光る“ひとつ目”が特徴。
物理的な攻撃は無効であり、《ふるきもの》の力をまとわない限り
触れる事すら不可能ともいわれています。
正体や詳しい生態は不明で、人を害し、人を喰らうものであるとされています。

The name Horror belongs to demons and monsters whom lurk in the labyrinth ruins.
They are absurdly shaped, distorted shadow-like monsters, humanoids, and beasts that are all characterized by a radiant white "singular eye".
Physical attacks are said to be ineffective and unless one is clad in the power of the Old One, it is impossible to make contact with them.
Their true identity and ecology are unknown, and they are said to harm and devour people.

Source, Tyhria Website, Valusia playback

But in any case on the topic, these are good to me as well.

 

[Mycroft_er]

Agree.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Bump.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Technology Manipulation​

Moran's body allows her to can answer calls (Chapter 9), which she can do without picking up a receiver (Chapter 9)

Both scans are the same, also the can should be removed.

Invisibility​

Black Dog has invisible blades of winds (Chapter 4)

Think it should likely be listed as limited or minor invisibility, probably more minor.

Mind Manipulation​

Can manipulate the minds of others (Chapter 4)

Ehh, that seems more like a metaphor of manipulating them through his swords (with the social influencing that you just showed a bit above) than literal mind manip, you said that mind manip was a standard ability for Meta=Critters, so if he get it through standard physiology or with another scan then fine.

Telepathy​

Can read (Chapter 8) the minds of other (Chapter 8)

Ehh, I'm not really sure about give her telepathy for that, don't know the context of the situation but it seems more like a smart guess of something along those lines than literal telepathy.

Sound Manipulation​

Just want this listed under her standard equipment, her Engine Phone has the ability to gather the voices of Meta=Critters (Chapter 3), and it also leads Mary to others (Chapter 10)

I honestly think this qualify more as a form clairvoyance, at least fit very well the ability description, even though it doesn't fall under the listed types in the page.

Supernatural Willpower​

Even under the effects (Chapter 4) of Meta=Critters ability which invokes fear, her willpower stands firm (Chapter 4)

To be fair the first scan show a big weird creature with its jaws wide open, which on top appeared to be using its invisible wind blades mentioned above to hurt her, so it feels more like a natural type of fear instead of a hax based fear, if all Meta-Critters really have fear hax as you said then fine but otherwise I belive she shouldn't get supernatural willpower from this.

Edit: After read the madness manip of Meta-Critters I think she could get supernatural willpower if the justification is more shifted to focus in that aspect of Meta-Critters instead of simply use that first scan.

Resistance to Memory Manipulation​

Ties into her supernatural willpower, Mary's entire thing is that she refuses to give up, while everyone else has. M showed her the dead Meta=Critters to forced her to give up (Chapter 10), and even the memory of being abandoned by her mother (Chapter 10), but she still refused to give up (Chapter 10)

No, she shouldn't have memory manip resistance because she didn't resist having her memories manipulated and neither did she resisted having her bad memories show back to her face again, and I also wouldn't consider this a supernatural willpower feat because she didn't break out of any ability, resisted supernatural amounts of pain, gained new powers, etc. like what the page states is needed, she just didn't give up against the villain, if that qualified then most shounen characters or main cast of battle series would probably get supernatural willpower.

Chaos Manipulation​

This ability may be iffy? It's stated that M stands at the peak of repulsive chaos (Chapter 3), as the writhing dark universe incarnate

I guess is fine? I honestly don't understand chaos manipulation as a concept in the wiki (I feel it far more abstract and weird than even holy manipulation) so I genuinely don't know if this would qualify.

Void Manipulation​

Surprisingly not on his profile already, M has control over Sharnoth (Chapter 3), which is an infinite world of nothingness (Chapter 10)

It was called an world of black instead of nothingness, and while I can certainly see how that can be interpreted as void, I'm not confident if the standards let it qualify as that even if the word nothingness wasn't mentioned.

Body Control​

Can extend black things (Chapter 9) from his body to envelop others

His body is supposed to be that black thing? Because in that case that should be made clear along the justification, otherwise I think it falls more under darkness manipulation than body control.

Mary​

Superhuman Stamina​

Even after she can't move anymore (Chapter 3), she can still push herself to keep running (Chapter 3). Also stated to surpass her limits (Chapter 6) when running from Meta=Critters

I'm honestly not sure about this one, what was her original limit that she was supposed to surpass? How much time was she running? How injuried was she (if she even was)? Just this seems to vague to try an give her supernatural stamina, because to beginning with she don't even show peak of athletic levels of stamina.

Moran​

Superhuman Stamina​

Didn't feel pain after losing an arm (Chapter 10)

Edit: After finishing the thread i realized she would have infinite stamina for being able to operate forever, but this can be added into her stamina too, not only does she have infinite stamina, her pain tolerance is high as well.

From the self-sustain scan it seems that she at least need to recharge, so I don't think she should get infinite stamina.

Resistance to Sensory Manipulation, and Illusion Creation​

Members of the Society are unaffected (Chapter 3) by Moran's suggestion camoflauge (Chapter 3)

Shouldn't only be resistance to sensory manipulation as Moran was only getting that from her suggestion camouflage?

Self-Sustenance (Types 1, and Possibly 2)​

Salamander's flames prevent it from breathing (Chapter 2). I think type 1 should only be for Luminary Types, as clearly why salamander can't breath is due to it's flames, the others Kelpie, Troll, Black Dog, are similarly surrounded by elements like water, fire, and earth, but this isn't the case for Faerie types.

The next part is said about every Meta=Critter that basically their eyes, ears, and mouths don't work (Chapter 2), if so i think they can't eat

Ig the type 1 is fine but the type 2 no, because it was clearly said that their mouths couldn't speak, no that they don't work. Still, though, I honestly believe if they indeed don't need to eat but at least from that scan I think they can't get the type 2.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Will respond in a couple hours. Will say off the top of my head though mind manipulation is an actual field of study in verse, it's called mesmirism, something like that.

Winston has a basic understanding of it, hence why he can manipulate mind.

Will post scans and what not later, some things here just require more details.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Technology Manipulation​

Here (Chapter 9) is the next scan which says she activates her sensory engines to pick up the call

Invisibility​

Fair enough

Mind Manipulation​

Meta=Critters have mind manipulation, but Churchill himself also does. Here is like the next thing which was said directly after the scan i posted, Churchill studied Mesmerism (Chapter 4). Mesmorology is actually defined in Gahkthun, i was looking through it's encyclopedia last night, and saw it. It's the study of the human mind, where masters of it can travel to an unconscious realm. I am pretty sure it gets brought up when somebody used mind hax in Gakhthun, but literally just started my reread, so don't know where to find that, instead i will go back to Sharnoth.

Jane Doe's words have the ability to make people believe whatever she wants, putting all sorts of ideas into people's heads (Chapter 7), because it utilizes mesmerism (Chapter 7), which controls the mind.

I would also note this (Chapter 7), is what was said before the first scan i posted about Jane, that her words have a similar effect to suggestion camouflage, Moran's ability, so manipulating the senses, is pretty much a branch of mind hax in verse too.

Telepathy​

Could be, but i am looking at it in the context of Jane is mind manipulator, who somehow knows Mary is on the verge of remembering what happened in the black city, and actively represses those memories. The scans i posted for her memory manipulation are all from the same scene/dialogue, well not exactly i gave that one cause it was the most direct, here are (Chapter 8) the exact (Chapter 8) scans which followed the ones i posted for telepathy, they allude to Jane manipulating Mary's memory

Sound Manipulation​

I guess, what the phone leads Mary to is like the inner/feelings of Meta=Critter Host, when a Host creates a Meta=Critter, they also have left over feelings (Chapter 6). The scan i posted says her phone leads to that.

Supernatural Willpower​

Meta Critters really do have hax based fear, i would have to post entire encounters to give the whole context, to me it's just made clear that Mary's willpower is what lets her resist their hax. Luckily i do have some scans which can give you some context. So Meta=Critter shows up, Mary feels dizzy, and has breathing problems, which she says she knows what that is (Chapter 1), to which she next says it's terror (Chapter 1), and it again starts talking about Mary being unable to scream or breath right afterwards (Chapter 1)

Resistance to Memory Manipulation​

Fair enough, she still gets it with the golden eye

Chaos Manipulation​

You and me both, chaos manipulation is weird.

Void Manipulation​

Sharnoth, which M controls, is a world (Chapter 10) of nothingness (Chapter 10)

Body Control​

I can't really post the full scans since it involves M tentacle penetrating people.... But here is what i can do, Moran wanted M to make love to her like a human, and during that she sees (Chapter 9) (don't ask me how, some nonsense about her eyes being what contains her soul) what M's (Chapter 9) true/real form is. In other words M's true form is darkness, and he can manipulate that darkness, stretching it, and all that.

Sidenote, had those scans for Moran being able to see the true form of things, but had no clue what to list it as seeing as this all comes about due to her letting her feelings for M run out of control.

Mary​

Superhuman Stamina​

We don't know how long she runs, cause time doesn't exist in the Interstice/black city, she runs until her limbs can't move anymore, and then somehow, surpasses that limit, and keeps going, in fact is prepared to keep running forever (Chapter 4). Can she actually run forever? I don't think so, but she seems to be able to keep going beyond what her body is capable of.

There are some other stuff about her not giving up (Chapter 4), even when Meta=Critters damage her legs (Chapter 4). Meta=Critters need her golden eye to open the gates to Sharnoth in addition to her screams, so they try hurting her to get her to scream, which she doesn't, would have to post a bunch of screenshots, showing an encounter with a Meta=Critter to illustrate her not screaming, would have to wait till tomorrow.

Moran​

Superhuman Stamina​

Fair enough

Resistance to Sensory Manipulation, and Illusion Creation​

Suggestion camouflage is actually a kind of illusion (Chapter 3), and as it turns out mind manipulation as i showed above

Self-Sustenance (Types 1, and Possibly 2)​

Fair enough.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Meta=Critters have mind manipulation, but Churchill himself also does. Here is like the next thing which was said directly after the scan i posted, Churchill studied Mesmerism (Chapter 4). Mesmorology is actually defined in Gahkthun, i was looking through it's encyclopedia last night, and saw it. It's the study of the human mind, where masters of it can travel to an unconscious realm. I am pretty sure it gets brought up when somebody used mind hax in Gakhthun, but literally just started my reread, so don't know where to find that, instead i will go back to Sharnoth.

Jane Doe's words have the ability to make people believe whatever she wants, putting all sorts of ideas into people's heads (Chapter 7), because it utilizes mesmerism (Chapter 7), which controls the mind.

I would also note this (Chapter 7), is what was said before the first scan i posted about Jane, that her words have a similar effect to suggestion camouflage, Moran's ability, so manipulating the senses, is pretty much a branch of mind hax in verse too.

I mean, from the scans I still think it's social influencing as is said to be psychology (with the Mesme name being due to its founder), and the supernatural aspect is only mentioned to be a rumor that only those who mastered it can use, hence I'm inclined to belive that Churchill can't use that supernatural part as his scan says he only know the basics, and that scan also mentions how it was thanks to how predictable the other part was that he could manipulate them, which further support he just talked no jutsu/SIed them.

Jane case though seems to be more actual mind manip as is specifically noted how special her Mesme ability is, getting compared with an supernatural ability and being said that is different than normal Mesme.

P.D I really feel a strong desire to just call it meme.

Could be, but i am looking at it in the context of Jane is mind manipulator, who somehow knows Mary is on the verge of remembering what happened in the black city, and actively represses those memories. The scans i posted for her memory manipulation are all from the same scene/dialogue, well not exactly i gave that one cause it was the most direct, here are (Chapter 8) the exact (Chapter 8) scans which followed the ones i posted for telepathy, they allude to Jane manipulating Mary's memory

Since Jane Mesme is more supernatural I can also see it being actual mind reading.

I guess, what the phone leads Mary to is like the inner/feelings of Meta=Critter Host, when a Host creates a Meta=Critter, they also have left over feelings (Chapter 6). The scan i posted says her phone leads to that.

Then I really think it should be indexed more as clairvoyance instead of sound manipulation, because there is no sound getting manipulated.

Meta Critters really do have hax based fear, i would have to post entire encounters to give the whole context, to me it's just made clear that Mary's willpower is what lets her resist their hax. Luckily i do have some scans which can give you some context. So Meta=Critter shows up, Mary feels dizzy, and has breathing problems, which she says she knows what that is (Chapter 1), to which she next says it's terror (Chapter 1), and it again starts talking about Mary being unable to scream or breath right afterwards (Chapter 1)

Since the Meta there doesn't really seem some super intimidating creature that would produce someone a natural fear like the one from the other scan that had its jaws wide open, I can see it getting considered as fear hax.

Sharnoth, which M controls, is a world (Chapter 10) of nothingness (Chapter 10)

Fair enough.

I can't really post the full scans since it involves M tentacle penetrating people.... But here is what i can do, Moran wanted M to make love to her like a human, and during that she sees (Chapter 9) (don't ask me how, some nonsense about her eyes being what contains her soul) what M's (Chapter 9) true/real form is. In other words M's true form is darkness, and he can manipulate that darkness, stretching it, and all that.

Sidenote, had those scans for Moran being able to see the true form of things, but had no clue what to list it as seeing as this all comes about due to her letting her feelings for M run out of control.

Ok with the tentacle hentai. The Moran thing could maybe be mentioned as a limited/unconventional enhanced senses feat about her feelings for M letting her see his true form, or something along those lines.

We don't know how long she runs, cause time doesn't exist in the Interstice/black city, she runs until her limbs can't move anymore, and then somehow, surpasses that limit, and keeps going, in fact is prepared to keep running forever (Chapter 4). Can she actually run forever? I don't think so, but she seems to be able to keep going beyond what her body is capable of.

There are some other stuff about her not giving up (Chapter 4), even when Meta=Critters damage her legs (Chapter 4). Meta=Critters need her golden eye to open the gates to Sharnoth in addition to her screams, so they try hurting her to get her to scream, which she doesn't, would have to post a bunch of screenshots, showing an encounter with a Meta=Critter to illustrate her not screaming, would have to wait till tomorrow.

Hmmm, the problem is that without a timeframe we can't really say if it falls in the supernatural ballpark, because even you admit that she isn't going to be able to run forever, instead is more that she force herself to continue running even if she is dead tired, which is something realistically possible and probable to happen when someone life is in danger, like her. And even if she did go beyond her limits, if her original limits was the average stamina of a (likely not athletic) little girl, then is doubtful that surpassing that low bar would be superhuman.

Though if the injuries she sustained when facing Meta are quite bad and she still don't let even a scream out, I can see her getting superhuman pain endurance (which would be enough for the superhuman stamina rating), otherwise just athletic to peak human pain endurance.

Suggestion camouflage is actually a kind of illusion (Chapter 3), and as it turns out mind manipulation as i showed above

I wasn't opposed to suggestion camouflage being illusion manip, I was just commenting that in the Moran addition you only listed it as perception manip, without the illusion manip, hence why was weird to people resisting it getting resistance to also illusion.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Expectro2000xxx

Actually the unconscious realm stuff is legit, it's where people like Golden King and M hang out, but that's in some side story which I don't remember right now, so I will concede on it just being SI for Churchill.

As it turns out rumors in steampunck are often true: Edison really was behind the disappearance of New York, and really did give the Grand Prince of Inganock, the Emerald Tablet, which lead to the birth of Grimm=Grimm, Tesla really is the White Man who opposes the Society, Meta=Critters actually do exist etc.


After the first chapter Mary did start training to run, so after that probably would be athletic, the surpassing limits stuff was like Chapter 6.

As for her pain tolerance, I remember the Meta=Critters slicing off parts of her legs, but yea not around my computer, so can't post scans till later.

Perception manipulation was a mistake, only realized it's sensory manipulation after I posted the thread, illusion creation is already on Moran's profile though.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Actually the unconscious realm stuff is legit, it's where people like Golden King and M hang out, but that's in some side story which I don't remember right now, so I will concede on it just being SI for Churchill.

God, that is veering into Sona Nyl spoilers even though I did that on my first comment lol.

True though. There IS an "Unconscious Realm" that exists in the Steampunk Series, or some sort of in-between boundary called Alaya-Vijnana.

...not saying anymore than that, it's very spoiler heavy ish. Though not that explored either, just saying xD

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Now we getting Buddhism, mathematical Equations which make up all reality wasn't enough..

Just waiting for transduality for M and the Edison, and inevitable tier 1 upgrade.

Will update the op when I get home, and post some scans for Mary's stamina.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Now we getting Buddhism, mathematical Equations which make up all reality wasn't enough..

Just waiting for transduality for M and the Edison, and inevitable tier 1 upgrade.

Will update the op when I get home, and post some scans for Mary's stamina.

Just to show I'm not kidding, the book I got that explains it has it here:

Spoiler

男は、静かにカクテルの名を告げる。声。合成音。どちらでもなく。
薄暗いバー。アラヤ識の境界、意識と無意識の境界にて。夢幻の胡蝶の仮面纏う何者かは、男の言葉を耳にして、剃那、表情を僅かに変化させたが、すぐに元の無表情へと戻
ると、鮮やかな手付きで──

Source, Wandering Dream, Abyssal Bar (2)

Extra note: Edison/Tick Tock Man (Time Man) also goes here too but that isn't a surprise.

There's technically more to it in the Sona Nyl EX Scenario stuff (which is the VN + Eyes of Hypnos story) that you have to check out that should go in-depth on the whole "Unconsious Realm" thing.

That said, on-topic here, what would be changed up instead or adjusted, or is that being discussed still atm?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Re-looking at things really not gonna insist on superhuman stamina for Mary. Meta=Critter tease her initially, making a small cut on her leg, Mary stops herself from screaming, then they make a bigger cut, which she can't help, but scream, but nevertheless, doesn't give up (Chapter 4)

Let's just say Athletic and move on.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Qliphoth_Bacikal I think me and @Expectro2000xxx have come to an agreement, the op now reflects that.

Lets see if @DarkDragonMedeus still agrees with this, and get some more staff: @Elizhaa @JustSomeWeirdo @Planck69

 

[Planck69]

Op looks good to me.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me yeah.

 

[Elizhaa]

The OP look fine.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

@Celestial_Pegasus The new changes should be fine even then.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

This should good to apply, won't get to it till the weekend though.

Now I just input on my meta=Critter calcs...

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Changes have been applied, so this can be closed.

Next will be about ap, whenever my calcs are evaluated...