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Major Black Clover Downgrade
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This is actually true, it's the equivalency of giving Existence Erasure Resistance negation or an higher level of the said ability for erasing a guy before he use an ability to protect him from being erased.1997KD said:
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Vetto didnt havea natural healing ability either, he heald thanks to spells,same as any char in this series, their magic is their power-set, the demon is the same, his word magic healed him, its not like other series where healing is just part of their body (like uq holder for example).1997KD said:
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Vetto didnt havea natural healing ability either, he heald thanks to spells,same as any char in this series, their magic is their power-set, the demon is the same, his word magic healed him, its not like other series where healing is just part of their body (like uq holder for example)
vetto didnt need to speak anything to heal himself,vetto said the line connect his mana and his healing ability was completely served. in vetto case asta cut the magic line which give him healing power. in devil case they beat him so fast that they didnt give him any chance to speak.
vetto didnt need to speak anything to heal himself,vetto said the line connect his mana and his healing ability was completely served. in vetto case asta cut the magic line which give him healing power. in devil case they beat him so fast that they didnt give him any chance to speak.
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> vetto didnt need to speak anything to heal himself,
He had to use magic spells to do so, and in Word-devils case his magic spell is activated by him saying the word.
> in devil case they beat him so fast that they didnt give him any chance to speak.
Speaking is the devils way of using a spell, so both vetto and the devil dont have natural healing powers, their magic heals them by different activation sequences that result in the same outcome. Similar to how fire magic healing and water magic healing would go: they heal in different ways but healing is done in both spells.
He had to use magic spells to do so, and in Word-devils case his magic spell is activated by him saying the word.
> in devil case they beat him so fast that they didnt give him any chance to speak.
Speaking is the devils way of using a spell, so both vetto and the devil dont have natural healing powers, their magic heals them by different activation sequences that result in the same outcome. Similar to how fire magic healing and water magic healing would go: they heal in different ways but healing is done in both spells.
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He had to use magic spells to do so, and in Word-devils case his magic spell is activated by him saying the word.
and after asta attack him he didnt shown to say anything, he consciously need to speak o heal himself.
Speaking is the devils way of using a spell, so both vetto and the devil dont have natural healing powers, their magic heals them by different activation sequences that result in the same outcome. Similar to how fire magic healing and water magic healing would go: they heal in different ways but healing is done in both spells.
asta null their magic not their regenration. i'm ok with vetto healing because after asta null his magic vetto try to heal himself and failed. something like this didnt happen in Word devil case
and after asta attack him he didnt shown to say anything, he consciously need to speak o heal himself.
Speaking is the devils way of using a spell, so both vetto and the devil dont have natural healing powers, their magic heals them by different activation sequences that result in the same outcome. Similar to how fire magic healing and water magic healing would go: they heal in different ways but healing is done in both spells.
asta null their magic not their regenration. i'm ok with vetto healing because after asta null his magic vetto try to heal himself and failed. something like this didnt happen in Word devil case
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Bruh. There are different types of regens. If your Regenerationn is based off energy and the opponent bulls it he gets Regenerationn negation by negation of the energy it uses.
Maybe u just didn't know this was accepted.
Maybe u just didn't know this was accepted.
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No, if the character negates the regen by negating its power source, it's not regen negation. It'd be Power Nullification if anything.
It's like making a car explode by burning the fueltank. You're not getting explosion manipulation from that just cause you have a burner.
It's like making a car explode by burning the fueltank. You're not getting explosion manipulation from that just cause you have a burner.
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Where?
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Turned into an ability thread because people thought adding and removing abilities are the same as upgrading and downgrading
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Anyways after looking over the battle with the Word Devil I believe that Black Asta, Spirit Dive Yuno and those that scale to them should be 6-C. Just a much much lower end.
Asta and Yuno working together can parry Dark Elf Patry's strongest light magic once. And Patry can counter the Word Devil's magic using devil light magic. Something Spirit Dive Yuno and Patry w/ his normal light magic couldn't do. Yami also said he couldn't get close to them due to the devil's magic. Mereleona also wasn't able to do a thing to the Word Devil's magic.
Although they still might scale since according to Loropechika fighting devils require you to be at least tier 1 or higher. Noelle is tier 1 and I'm pretty sure she isn't stronger than Yami and some of the other magic captains. So Noelle and some of the captains should get a Likely 6-C. This would also scale to the elves that fought the captains.
Asta and Yuno working together can parry Dark Elf Patry's strongest light magic once. And Patry can counter the Word Devil's magic using devil light magic. Something Spirit Dive Yuno and Patry w/ his normal light magic couldn't do. Yami also said he couldn't get close to them due to the devil's magic. Mereleona also wasn't able to do a thing to the Word Devil's magic.
Although they still might scale since according to Loropechika fighting devils require you to be at least tier 1 or higher. Noelle is tier 1 and I'm pretty sure she isn't stronger than Yami and some of the other magic captains. So Noelle and some of the captains should get a Likely 6-C. This would also scale to the elves that fought the captains.
Epsilon_R
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Apostles: (Weaker but still relatively comparable to Licht)
Luck: (One Shot Reve with a combined attack with Magna) No need to change
Noelle: (Disintegrated Fana chest) No need to change
Charmy: (Defeated Lira) No need to change for now but I might've found something that could no longer make her 6-C
Vermillion Siblings: (Both defeated an Apostle) No need to change
Yami: (Was able to cut Word Devil's wing. Though, Dark Magic is effective against demons)
Asta: (With Yuno's help, he was able to almost cut Word Devil's hand and deflect Dark Elf Patry's attack)
Should be removed:
Langris: He only gave trouble to Yami and Jack because of his EE forcefield.
Luck: (One Shot Reve with a combined attack with Magna) No need to change
Noelle: (Disintegrated Fana chest) No need to change
Charmy: (Defeated Lira) No need to change for now but I might've found something that could no longer make her 6-C
Vermillion Siblings: (Both defeated an Apostle) No need to change
Yami: (Was able to cut Word Devil's wing. Though, Dark Magic is effective against demons)
Asta: (With Yuno's help, he was able to almost cut Word Devil's hand and deflect Dark Elf Patry's attack)
Should be removed:
Langris: He only gave trouble to Yami and Jack because of his EE forcefield.
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The Apostles should scale from the captains not Lumiere. It was made very clear in the manga that Lumiere and Licht are far stronger than everybody else. Their justification should be changed to fighting the captains they fought. Also Yami cut the Word Devil's tail after his darkness slash got reflect by Licht not the wing. His main justification should probably be changed to being comparable to Noelle. Charmy should only be 6-C in her human form. Mereleona and Fuegoleon should scale from Yami. Luck's justification should also add keeping up with Black Asta.
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Anyways my version
Valkyrie Dress Noelle: Likely 6-C (Her magic is stated to be level 1 which is the minimum lvl required to be able to fight devils)
Luck: Likely 6-C (Kept up with a weakened Black Asta. Defeated Reve using a combined attack with Magna)
Human Form Charmy: Likely 6-C (Defeated Lira)
Mereoleona: Likely 6-C (Stronger than Yami)
Fuegoleon: Likely 6-C (Comparable to Mereleona)
Yami: Likely 6-C (Cut the Word Devil's tail. Should be comparable to Valkyrie Dress Noelle)
Black Asta: 6-C (By combining his power with Spirit Dive Yuno he managed to cut the Word Devil's arm as well as deflect Dark Elf Patty's devil light magic)
Spirit Dive Elf Yuno: 6-C (Comparable to Black Asta)
Valkyrie Dress Noelle: Likely 6-C (Her magic is stated to be level 1 which is the minimum lvl required to be able to fight devils)
Luck: Likely 6-C (Kept up with a weakened Black Asta. Defeated Reve using a combined attack with Magna)
Human Form Charmy: Likely 6-C (Defeated Lira)
Mereoleona: Likely 6-C (Stronger than Yami)
Fuegoleon: Likely 6-C (Comparable to Mereleona)
Yami: Likely 6-C (Cut the Word Devil's tail. Should be comparable to Valkyrie Dress Noelle)
Black Asta: 6-C (By combining his power with Spirit Dive Yuno he managed to cut the Word Devil's arm as well as deflect Dark Elf Patty's devil light magic)
Spirit Dive Elf Yuno: 6-C (Comparable to Black Asta)
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Charmy only managed to defeat Lira in her human form not her dwarf form. But still after looking over at the manga I think all the elves are probably 6-C to an extent. Even the fodder elves can somewhat put up a fight against the likes of Yami and Mereoleona in groups. Yami would likely scale from Noelle who would likely scale to or below Black Asta who is less than half the value of the 6-C calc as he needed Yuno's help to somewhat fight and hurt those 6-Cs that are 33 Gigaton.
The wing was done with dimension slash which negates durability. I know the demon swelled doesn't increase the damage. I just said it got reflected by Licht.
Luck fought Black Asta who was stated to be nearing his limit after fighting several back to back battles. He's still 6-C but just a lower end of it.
The wing was done with dimension slash which negates durability. I know the demon swelled doesn't increase the damage. I just said it got reflected by Licht.
Luck fought Black Asta who was stated to be nearing his limit after fighting several back to back battles. He's still 6-C but just a lower end of it.
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I agree with Luck scaling to Black Asta.
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Question: Why Asta has "Fighting Game Characters" and "Playable Characters" as categories?
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... Ok, that's weird, but ok.
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Fully agree with Epsilon. I'm gonna reread Langris vs Jack and Yami, as I firmly believe he should be 6-C.
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Word Devil is still 33.13 Gigatons he's just above it by an unknown amount. And Black Asta and Spirit Dive Yuno's combined AP was only able to scratch him.
Yeah Patry's attack is his strongest attack but it still needed the combined powers of Black Asta and Spirit Dive Yuno to be reflected back. So they still scale to half. Also when was it stated that Dark Elf Patry > Demon Licht not that it matters as he would still be 33.13 Gigatons.
Almost everybody has pointed out on this thread. Yami only badly injured the Word Devil with his Dimension slash. The only time he managed to cause some injury without it was his normal darkness slash which only cut the tail. The damage is too tiny for him to scale to the full value. He should instead scale to Noelle who is a lvl 1 which is the minimum required lvl to fight devils which should scale her to Black Asta who scratched the Word Devil by combining his powers with Spirit Dive Yuno.
Yeah Patry's attack is his strongest attack but it still needed the combined powers of Black Asta and Spirit Dive Yuno to be reflected back. So they still scale to half. Also when was it stated that Dark Elf Patry > Demon Licht not that it matters as he would still be 33.13 Gigatons.
Almost everybody has pointed out on this thread. Yami only badly injured the Word Devil with his Dimension slash. The only time he managed to cause some injury without it was his normal darkness slash which only cut the tail. The damage is too tiny for him to scale to the full value. He should instead scale to Noelle who is a lvl 1 which is the minimum required lvl to fight devils which should scale her to Black Asta who scratched the Word Devil by combining his powers with Spirit Dive Yuno.
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Hasn't Devil stated that Yami did damage to him?
