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Major Arceus Downgrade

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Affecting is not the same as destroying nor merging, only multi-universal range was affected since Cyrus through he had control of the full power of Dialga/Palkia, which he had not.
 
Multiverse level is for characters who can create and/or destroy 1001 to any higher finite number of universal 4-dimensional space-time continuums, which the cave contains a lot of themalong with a lot of other universes. In another manga the all Pokemon complex was referred as a Multiverse, so Arceus is safely 2-B.
 
Still doesn't matter much. USUM gives support of a 2-B Multiverse.

Besides iirc it wasnt just Reflection Cave that made them 2-B. It was also the Multiverse stuff that came from ORAS to go along with it.
 
"In Pokémon Ultra Sun and Pokémon Ultra Moon, you can explore the various worlds that lie through these Ultra Wormholes. Within an Ultra Wormhole, there are countless warp holes that lead to different worlds. Try exploring different worlds by passing through these warp holes! You can even go to the home worlds of the mysterious Ultra Beasts!"

http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/ultra/en-us/alola-region.html

The term "world" is always used to describe parallel universes in Pokémon.
 
@Dark

That image tells me nothing.

@Kukui/Neo

That's just an advertising statement for a game that hasn't come out yet. Let's try and stick with what we actually know for now.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
How is it just an advertising statement? And there's literally nothing that debunks it plus why doubt it at all? It's from an official site.
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Because it's not actually in the game and for all we know it won't be.

Remember the whole thing with Type: Null rivaling the Pokemon of myth? That AFAIK went nowhere in the game.

Let's actually see if the game includes it, because basing it off of what we already have is pointless.
 
Profiles are composite so it doesn't matter.

Plus the mirror universes would lead to other universes with their own reflection cave and so on. Sounds more than 1000 to me.
 
"Plus the mirror universes would lead to other universes with their own reflection cave and so o"

Is there any actual proof of this?
 
Well its completely logical to conclude every universe would have their own caves. That's like saying not all universes has a Hoenn or Sinnoh region.

And as for the ultra wormhole, its giving details about the game unlike the type null thing and a large majority of us have accepted it as support for 2-B from what I remember.
 
But how do we actually know that the mirrors in the other caves lead to entirely different universes rather than them just being two-way?

Again, I'd rather wait to see if the game itself has a statement and not rely on an external source.
 
If you count also the implied dimensions in the anime's and manga's, the number of them is easily higher than 1000.
 
Because not all mirrors lead to the same universe? They lead to their own worlds and the only way for a reflection Cave mirrior to connect to other universes is through THEIR own reflection Cave.
 
The Everlasting said:
But how do we actually know that the mirrors in the other caves lead to entirely different universes rather than them just being two-way?
Again, I'd rather wait to see if the game itself has a statement and not rely on an external source.
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That's from the anime. I don't remember the episode. Title. All I know is that this was Azzy approved and he made the changes.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Because not all mirrors lead to the same universe? They lead to their own worlds and the only way for a reflection Cave mirrior to connect to other universes is through THEIR own reflection Cave.
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But you see, how do we know that literally every other mirror leads to a different universe rather than some leading to already existing universes.
 
In Type: Null's description, it is said that a pokémon powerful enough to rival a pokémon spoken in mythology was needed, it was never said directly that Type: Null gained that power, unlike the affirmation about the Ultra wormhole.
 
Ever, the statement kinda answers that though.

If leads to as many universes as their are mirrors. Meaning, every mirror leads to its own universe.
 
Js250476 said:
Is it said exactly how many mirrors there are tho?
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Well it is a cave full of mirrors, that leads to another cave full of mirrors, that leads to other caves full of mirrors and at times back to a previous cave full of mirrors.
 
First, serious comment:

Even disregarding the constant countless universes statements...

Every separate game (OR as opposed to AS, Red as opposed to Blue) is a separate universe, as well as the multitude of other media (separate manga, Adventures or otherwise, the anime, etc.). Even counting for permutations leading to one another, it's still far more than 1K.
 
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