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I also don't really see scaling issues unless you are going to chainscale protagonist's feats to everyone in the verse
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Madness Combat Discussion Thread: Redeemer
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Technically by merging with The Nowhere that's when the protagonist becomes drastically stronger.
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It's kind of BOTH. when he does the sacrifice that's technically the peak of his power, if i recall correctly the maker even describes it as The Protagonist actually controlling the machine before resetting the universe. He basically reaches a peak of power for like, half a second before he's returned to Marsh Mellow Madness.
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I don't remember anything about us controlling The Machine, but I will recheack all info later. I only recall The Maker implying that Protagonist is controlled by the real life player and he even mentioned our combined power and stating that Nevada won't survive it without us (right before facing Grand Steward, btw)
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Hey guys, my friends made a calc for a new MC scaling Meta. Basically, The Hive gets its power from the science tower. Rich mentions that he has been working at the power plant for 30 years without breaks. A friend of mine calced this to City level, but I am not sure on the validity of it (also could upscale people like Gestalt)
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You’d probably have to put in a blog here and see what calc members think
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i can’t say much on the feat, I think once there’s a blog post there should be a calc member thread made.
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I’d just like to note my opinion on it, city level main cast like Hank and Sanford would likely be considered an outlier.
Mag agents and stuff? Still feels like an outlier but to a lesser degree, passable maybe.
Mag agents and stuff? Still feels like an outlier but to a lesser degree, passable maybe.
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I have no idea, I hadn’t heard about that before. If he’s able to power a city anyways, he’s got grounds to scale to it.
Basic mag agents obviously don’t scale to full power gestalt though, so basic mag agents just have scaling to The Hive.
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I vividly remember that during fight with Apothic Gestalt windows inside buildings on the outskirts of Nexus City were flashed as if they had working light, these parts of City were abandoned and I don't recall anywhere else seeing buildings with light inside outside of this boss, because of this and the fact that we literally see dissonant lighting and thunder caused by Gestalt across City's perimeter, I always assumed that it was Gestalt who casted such sensations
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Yeah I agree to be honest. And The Hive doesnt really seem to take full power from the tower.
However, I think its fair to use it to get Geatalt higher in into Tier 7, considering he has more s-3lf energy which can power the nexus city.
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Is The Hive a gen 05?
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I think Mags technically fall under Generation 04, although The Hive feels like it could go either way as a 04 or 05. I would personally say 04.
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I think we have more additional evidence on The Machine having and working on Logic Manipulation
Through the errors the machine marches on, corrected and governed, but there resonates a clatter deep within the coiled bowls of logical gears and philosophical springs that cannot be brought to normal function.
Through the errors the machine marches on, corrected and governed, but there resonates a clatter deep within the coiled bowls of logical gears and philosophical springs that cannot be brought to normal function.
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I think we can add here the fact that Employers are beings of logic and apparently were created by The Machine
The Auditor serves as a Primary Employer to the Machine. A servant to invisible will, born from need and purpose and constructed from the very fabric of logic itself. The Auditor's singular charge is to Audit the unimaginably vast output of The Machine.
And the fact that magic (which was stated to be The Machine's raw power) was described to bend logic
The Auditor serves as a Primary Employer to the Machine. A servant to invisible will, born from need and purpose and constructed from the very fabric of logic itself. The Auditor's singular charge is to Audit the unimaginably vast output of The Machine.
And the fact that magic (which was stated to be The Machine's raw power) was described to bend logic
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@Comiphorous I think it is important for you to consider in your works about dissonance, The Machine, The Employers and such
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this isn't bad. i see the logic. i like it.
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Logic
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By the way, I probably will later update and try to add some additional information in this blog
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I've calced half-mags at 2.74 meters tall, so everyone around the size of a half-mag gets large size 0
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And who will be this?
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Anyone who's a half-mag. which is basically just Retainers. So Half-Mags and Retainers. I can't think of any other characters who are explicitly Half-Mags.
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Also which are half mags? Because game and cartoon ones have absolutely different sizes
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I calced the cartoon versions.
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I finished my blog on madness verse being metaphysical and underlined in information. I'm not sure if I can post it here if it's against the site rules to promote things on other wikis. But if you want, you can use the information in blog (just credit me if you use specific argumentations)
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i think it's fine to post it in the general discussion.
I personally already read the stuff on the fictional indexing wiki you got going.
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Okay, thanks for share, it might be useful
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Okay, thanks for share, it might be useful
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