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So either High 3-A or Low 2-C?
And you think they're superior to all dimensions of this, giving Low 1-C?
How exactly do we know they're not just, say, 2-C?
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Madness Combat: Low 1-C upgrade (Plus other stuff)
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And you think they're superior to all dimensions of this, giving Low 1-C?
How exactly do we know they're not just, say, 2-C?
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Also, TOP apparently was described in MC 12 as "Nevadean barrier", meaning it should have similar or potentially bigger size
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The thing also that TOP by itself is L 1-C due to being infinitely complex than a normal mind can understand and Employers can be compared to a dude who was gonna to "merge" himself with TOP
Employers also supposedly were capable of providing physical (Or physical as it possible at least) parts of The Machine, which was said to govern all of reality, including stuff like fate, story, space-time and such
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Why would it be 2-C? The Auditor exists above a Low 2-C structure, which is Low 1-C
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I'm not sure "infinitely more complex than a normal mind can understand" is necessarily Low 1-C.
I mean, technically just High 3-A is already more than we can actually visualize, and if they mean understand in a more abstract way, then we wouldn't have Low 1-C as a tier if we literally couldn't comprehend it.
It could be, but you'll notice there's tiers between those two things, so just being vaguely "above" doesn't really imply Low 1-C automatically.
I'm not saying it isn't, by the way, I'm just asking for additional context to justify the nature of that statement.
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this are scientist that are able to use a energy that can distort logic and the mind, to fuel most of their technology.
also the one who said it is infinitely more complex than a normal mind can understand is the smartest character in the verse (not including The Maker or the machine because they know all)
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Not to mention that he was the one to research The Other Place and also said "You nead a special mind to understand it" most definitely alluding to himself
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I'm not sure any of that addresses my concern.
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those statements are meant to give context on it's size, and how The Auditor is above the Low 2-C structure.
The statements by themselves on Nevada's size aren't Low 1-C, but The Auditor being above them are. When he says "understand" he doesn't really mean visualize, he's likely just referring to the fact it's size is so giant it's unimaginable. (which makes a lot more sense than visualizing, since in the same dialogue he does a size comparison with Nevada as two soda cans)
I say this in the least rude way possible, but that is a running theme whenever they're here.
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There's also the fact that Phobos, during his boss battle, mentions that he will ascend and become an employer once he merges with the Other Place (only the ascention part is in this textbox but he mentions the rest in the rest of the battle).
And in the Youtube description of Madness Combat 9.5 part 2, retainers are said to act in various realms outside of Nevada, but they still take "orders from above", and the orders from above are confirmed to be the Higher Powers (the Employers), implying that the Employers' true forms exist not in just a different space but one that trascends these realms.
There is also this (AUD refers to Auditor, this is from the beginning of Madness Combat 12)
These are a little vague but I think they support that The Other Place and the Employers exist on a higher plane of reality
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This is surprisingly the only time i've seen where Phobos' boss fight is usable in scaling to the other employers. But yes Phobos does describe merging with the other place an ascension. although vague, it does work as supporting evidence. (The language can be interpreted in many ways, but the literal interpretation of him ascending to another plane of existence does make sense)There's also the fact that Phobos, during his boss battle, mentions that he will ascend and become an employer once he merges with the Other Place (only the ascention part is in this textbox but he mentions the rest in the rest of the battle).
This is so vague and very up to interpretation that i can't reasonably use it in good faith. that 4d could mean many things. I am very against using this specifically.There is also this (AUD refers to Auditor, this is from the beginning of Madness Combat 12)
These are a little vague but I think they support that The Other Place and the Employers exist on a higher plane of reality
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Oh yeah there's also this WoG that also supports Employers scaling to the Other Place. Vague, but still
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If they're consistently portrayed as fundamentally superior to 4D structures then Low 1-C is probably fine, but I'll mention that I feel like the current written justification is a bit lacking in properly establishing that.
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So. Do you agree with CRT or neutral?
By the way, here is also this (While yes, it is the WoG, i think it can be used as a supporting proof)
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They want me to expand on the current justification and make it look nicer. Which i shall do.
Why would we need supporting proof of the fact it's an avatar when that's already shown to us on screen. and no, i am not using the fifth dimensional being statement.
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Because why not? Person above is an example
And don't see any problem to use to clarify our stance on this thread
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On the topic of WoG what do you think of this? Is it valid?
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Because you guys never use the actual series. i think i could count on one hand the amount of times you guys either used the animations or the game to actually justify your tiering beliefs. otherwise you're using WoG statements from satan's asscrack, also known as YOUTUBE or Twitch.
I wish the topic wasn't WoG. and no i'm not touching that with a 20 foot pole. just use the games and animations. they will 9/10 answer your question better than krinkles did during a stream.
and that question feels like a leading question so even if i got a lobotomy and suddenly agreed with WoG statements i couldn't use it anyways.
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This question is clearly leading and has no actual evidence in the series, which wiki doesn't approve
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You're a FNaF and Undertale fan, isn't that a lobotomy in of itself?
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This is the most reasonably and intelligent thing said in this thread thus far.
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I agree in concept, but want the justification to be more clearly written.
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will be done.
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I have further added some of the stuff brought up here for Aud's Low 1-C rating, and threw in the WoG statement just because i feel jolly enough to not think about the consequences that this will entail.
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So you really DID get a lobotomy to think WoG is good for this verse!
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It looks far more complete now, thank you.
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I'll give a pass on the 5th dimensional statement since it's never REALLY elaborated on indepth in the games or animations but is clearly his intention.
general discussions will be flooded with more stream clips but i'll have to wear that sin until it calms down.
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This is literally gonna be you for the next two months every time you get a notification on the discussion thread
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anyways, I'm 99% sure we now have enough mod agreements to actually have this go through.
Auditor's profile hasn't really been revamped in who knows how long, so it'll be good for him to finally not look horrible.
Auditor's profile hasn't really been revamped in who knows how long, so it'll be good for him to finally not look horrible.
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What are the votes?
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Reiner04, Qawsedf234, and you have agreed to the CRT.
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finally
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It's probably fine to apply then.
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Applied changes to the auditor and the physiology page.
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I will close this then.
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