Madara Uchiha vs Obito Uchiha

[Shadowbokunohero]

*Alive Madara
*Obito from the War Arc.
* High 7-A Versions
*Speed is =
*Battle takes place in Ichigo Kurosaki's Living Room.
*Song that plays.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Oh Jesus, here we go. Obito has a Stamina and Durability Advantage as well Intangibility that Madara can't really do anything about. All this combined with his arguably better Genjutsu Prowess and his knowledge of the fact that Madara is kind of a Monster in Combat means Obito is gonna take this as seriously as possible and more than likely is even gonna whip out his Wood Style and Rinnegan Abilities like Chakra Absorption, Shinra Tensei, Chibaku Tensei, Soul Rip (which he has actually used On-Panel though not in combat), etc. Also, we've seen On-Panel that Obito can Match Madara's Fire Style when they fought Naruto and the Shinobi Alliance so big AOE is something Obito can manage as well. Finally, Obito also has Chakra Suppresion Chains that can shut down Madara's ability to use his Chakra, so yeah.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Does Obito have access to the Edo Jinchūriki?

 

[Purgy]

Madara stands zero chance.

Kamui basically solos with speed equal, and Obito pretty much has everything Madara has and more.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Does Obito have access to the Edo Jinchūriki?

He doesn't need them, but they would technically be High 7-A as long as they aren't in their Full Bijū Forms.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

He doesn't need them, but they would technically be High 7-A as long as they aren't in their Full Bijū Forms.

Yeah, I know, but 6 comparable and immortal Paths of Pain would certainly be a massive advantage.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Yeah, I know, but 6 comparable and immortal Paths of Pain would certainly be a massive advantage.

Yeah, but like I said, he doesn't need them to win.

 

[Naeblis495]

*Battle takes place in Ichigo Kurosaki's Living Room.

Why you gotta do my man like that .

Anyway , Obito take this . Kamui too stronk .

 

[CrystalValley]

maybe speed should be unequalized?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

maybe speed should be unequalized?

I honestly don't think it would change much.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Does Obito have access to the Edo Jinchūriki?

nope just Obito.

 

[RisingIons]

Obito got clapped by Minato on their first encounter. Kamui isn’t that great if you understand it. Madara is a whole different beast and Obito doesn’t stand a chance in hell against Madara with his OWN eyes and poor chakra reserves. All his 6 pets can get turned into slaves with superior ocular evolution.

Woodstyle sleep spores gg

 

[Purgy]

Obito got clapped by Minato on their first encounter. Kamui isn’t that great if you understand it. Madara is a whole different beast and Obito doesn’t stand a chance in hell against Madara with his OWN eyes and poor chakra reserves. All his 6 pets can get turned into slaves with superior ocular evolution.

Woodstyle sleep spores gg

Minato, who was far faster than Obito, you pretty much need one of the following to beat Obito when he has Kamui;

• A technique that lasts over 5 minutes since that's Obito's Kamui limit
• To be significantly faster than Obito himself to where you can capitalize on the Kamui weakness (which this Madara has zero knowledge on btw)
• Kakashi's Kamui, which Madara obviously doesn't have.

Madara has none of this

Why exactly does Obito having Madara's Rinnegan give Madara a chance?

"Superior occular evolution", whatever this means, funnily enough though, Obito has far better Sharingan Genjutsu feats, like putting a Perfect Jin under long term Genjutsu and using him to control an entire village.

Lastly, this is Alive Madara, Hashirama fight pretty much, meaning he hasn't awakened the Rinnegan, he doesn't know what the Rinnegan is or its abilities, he doesn't have Wood Release and he can't use Susanoo.

He gets neg diffed.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

he can't use Susanoo.

I agree with pretty much everything you said, but he can use the Susano'o, just not the Perfect Susano'o.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

nope just Obito.

I'm not sure if you can restrict them given that they don't change his Tier from High 7-A.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I'm not sure if you can restrict them given that they don't change his Tier from High 7-A.

This would be Obito as of his fight with KCM ,Kakashi and Guy where he broke his mask. I'm just restricting the 6-C shuriken.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This would be Obito as of his fight with KCM ,Kakashi and Guy where he broke his mask. I'm just restricting the 6-C shuriken.

I know that. I'm just saying I don't think you can restrict his Edo Jinchūriki because they don't push him out of High 7-A.

 

[Purgy]

The Edo Jin's would make it a stomp (kinda already is one though tbh), Madara has nothing to get around their regen iirc.

 

[RisingIons]

Lastly, this is Alive Madara, Hashirama fight pretty much, meaning he hasn't awakened the Rinnegan, he doesn't know what the Rinnegan is or its abilities, he doesn't have Wood Release and he can't use Susanoo.

He gets neg diffed.

Didn't even see alive Madara just saw the picture smh.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Wow the Madara downplay is real. Madara could lose but it's not nearly as one side as y'all think. Equal speed won't allow Obito to come out on top against anyone. In fact Obito has fought slower opponents than him multiple times and not come out on top, like KCM Naruto, Kakashi, Guy, Bee, and Konan at first. It'll make it hard for Madara to hit Obito, but it's not gonna make it easy for Obito to beat Madara. Physically there's not much Obito can do against the Susanoo, letalone the perfect one. So he'll need Kamui. And if he tries sucking in Madara, Madara will just hit him. When Madara eventually figures out Kamui it'll be much easier for him and maybe he'll figure he needs someone to help him not get sucked and take advantage of opportunities Obito materializes and then summon shadow clones. Which he has shown the ability to use. He used a shadow clone in place of his corpse after all.

And if he can't do it with that, then worst case scenario he can straight up outlast. He could fight Hashirama for a whole day, contrary to @XSOULOFCINDERX 's opinion, Obito does not have a stamina advantage.

And I`m confused by all the talk of restriction. Isn't restricting abilities just not allowed? That was a big thing a while ago iirc. And now people are restriciting PS, morning wood release in a different battle, jins, etc. Even with restrictions though Madara would win with the Armored Susanoo to cut down V2 Jins easily.

I agree with pretty much everything you said, but he can use the Susano'o, just not the Perfect Susano'o.

Uh...yes he can.

 

[Purgy]

And I`m confused by all the talk of restriction. Isn't restricting abilities just not allowed? That was a big thing a while ago iirc. And now people are restriciting PS, morning wood release in a different battle, jins, etc. Even with restrictions though Madara would win with the Armored Susanoo to cut down V2 Jins easily.

You're allowed to restrict stuff that puts the character in a different tier

 

[MinatoSparkle]

You're allowed to restrict stuff that puts the character in a different tier

Ok. Still not really sure what "morning" wood release is.

 

[Purgy]

Ok. Still not really sure what "morning" wood release is.

It was a joke, it just means Wood Release.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I'm pretty damn sure surviving all the shit Obito did is a better stamina feat than Madara fighting Hashirama all day considering all that shit has been known to almost instantly kill other people and yet Obito didn't die from them. Also, he would totally expect Madara to have an Izanagi at the ready since he basically knows everything about Madara, as well as the fact that seven High 7-A opponents (6 of which with Low-Godly Regen and 1 of which has 6-C Durability and Intangibility) is kind of huge Advantage against him when Obito literally knows everything about him.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I'm pretty damn sure surviving all the shit Obito did is a better stamina feat than Madara fighting Hashirama all day considering all that shit has been known to almost instantly kill other people and yet Obito didn't die from them. Also, he would totally expect Madara to have an Izanagi at the ready since he basically knows everything about Madara, as well as the fact that seven High 7-A opponents (6 of which with Low-Godly Regen and 1 of which has 6-C Durability and Intangibility) is kind of huge Advantage against him when Obito literally knows everything about him.

That's not stamina. That's endurance. He only survived Juubi extraction cause the husk was there. Nagato also survived Rinne Rebirth shortly, then shortly after Obito used it BZ stuck to him to help him survive. Then he was unconscious briefly then Naruto used his yang seal to revive him. And fighting Hashirama at all is known to almost instantly kill people too. Let alone for 24 hours.

Madara wouldn't need Izanagi.

Madara will figure out he has to pull the rods with his Sharingan and use the Susanoo hands to force them out. And Obito's knowledge will be helpful but it's not the be all end all.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Endurance Feats are used as stamina feats on VSB if you haven't noticed my guy, also those aren't the only feats I'm talking about either. Do you not remember Obito getting his heart destroyed and then still being alive for a noticeable period of time where he was going to absorb the Jūbi until Black Zetsu forced him to start casting Rinne Tensei only to get his throat sliced open by Minato, have a brief Monologue with him and then still cast the Jutsu to absorb the Jūbi. That's one hell of a Stamina Feat.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Endurance Feats are used as stamina feats on VSB if you haven't noticed my guy, also those aren't the only feats I'm talking about either. Do you not remember Obito getting his heart destroyed and then still being alive for a noticeable period of time where he was going to absorb the Jūbi until Black Zetsu forced him to start casting Rinne Tensei only to get his throat sliced open by Minato, have a brief Monologue with him and then still cast the Jutsu to absorb the Jūbi. That's one hell of a Stamina Feat.

They're not points for how long Obito can keep fighting though, which is what I'm referring to. And also his throat wasn't sliced open, it was his left shoulder.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Either way, Madara's ****** because Obito can literally walk through his Susano'o and then **** him up which he wouldn't expect at first, along with having his Low-Godly Regenerating Paths of Pain that have their own Hax abilities like Yagura's Mirror Shield, the Six Tails Acid, etc.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Either way, Madara's ****** because Obito can literally walk through his Susano'o and then **** him up which he wouldn't expect at first, along with having his Low-Godly Regenerating Paths of Pain that have their own Hax abilities like Yagura's Mirror Shield, the Six Tails Acid, etc.

He wouldn't expect it, but he would react quickly. After all, he adapated quickly as the Juubi Jinchuriki when he fought him very briefly. I already mentioned Madara will use the Susanoo to yank out the rods, the Mirror Shield won't do much, as it'll just result in a stalemate, the acid isn't burning through the Susanoo.

 

[Kidkinsey]

The beast shouldnt be that much of an issue because madara ang GJGG them. Kamui would be annoying to deal with but theres nothing obito has to damage PS madara unless thats restricted

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The beast shouldnt be that much of an issue because madara ang GJGG them. Kamui would be annoying to deal with but theres nothing obito has to damage PS madara unless thats restricted

GJGG? Also PS is restricted but he can use the other Susanoos.

 

[Kidkinsey]

Genjutsu GG and ahhh ok

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

How is Madara gonna get rid of the Jinchūriki if he doesn't know how to deal with them? He's never dealt with the Rinnegan at this point so he doesn't know how a Path of Pain works. Also, how would Madara get the Rods if they're not in their Bijū Forms? And even if he does get rid of the Jinchūriki, Obito is then free to use any Rinnegan powers he has like Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Soul Rip, Chakra Absorption, King of Hell, etc.

 

[Kidkinsey]

He knows kurama the strongest beast can not only be genjutsud but mind controlled. He may be able to turn some of them against eachother
and this might be a reach BUT naruto in SM was able to locate the chakra rods iirc and madara is a sensory type or atleast has some abilites to sense people

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Yeah, Kurama who's not already under someone else's control like Obito's Paths of Pain are. Prove Madara can take away Obito's Paths of Pain with Genjutsu, also if you're seriously trying to compare whatever Vague Sensory Ability Madara may or may not have to Sage Mode Naruto's Sensory Capabilities then that's an L because Sage Naruto has some of the Highest Grade Sensory Capabilities that aren't KCM or Six Paths Sage Mode.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

How is Madara gonna get rid of the Jinchūriki if he doesn't know how to deal with them? He's never dealt with the Rinnegan at this point so he doesn't know how a Path of Pain works. Also, how would Madara get the Rods if they're not in their Bijū Forms? And even if he does get rid of the Jinchūriki, Obito is then free to use any Rinnegan powers he has like Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Soul Rip, Chakra Absorption, King of Hell, etc.

He's read the stone tablets so he knows at least some about it. And the rods don't only appear in Bijuu form. They were first seen in human form actually.

In fact, a simple KCM Rasengan was gonna destroy it so Madara will definitely be able to break it.

And he can use Rinnegan abilities, but those will drain him fast. That's part of why he abstained from using them.

Chibaku Tensei won't work against the Susanoo (even Shukaku's strongest seal couldn't restrain Madara, albeit with SM, but still.

 

[Kidkinsey]

Yeah, Kurama who's not already under someone else's control like Obito's Paths of Pain are. Prove Madara can take away Obito's Paths of Pain with Genjutsu, also if you're seriously trying to compare whatever Vague Sensory Ability Madara may or may not have to Sage Mode Naruto's Sensory Capabilities then that's an L because Sage Naruto has some of the Highest Grade Sensory Capabilities that aren't KCM or Six Paths Sage Mode.

yeah him turning them against eachother might be impossible due to obitos chakra but him putting them to sleep is still possible
lmao I said its a reach but it MIGHT be possible. However his sharingan may be able to see the chakra being funneled to one place

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I guarantee that Chibaku Tensei from Obito would be superior to both Shukaku's Seal and Pain's Chibaku Tensei which required KN8 Naruto to break out of, so Madara's gonna need to try really damn hard to get out of that since he's definitely not as strong as Blind Sage Madara.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Also, Chakra Absorption kinda negs the Chakra Draining Aspect of things.