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There's a crack in the floor. He definitely helped take him out. None of the other fighters fight while their opponents are on the ground. Machvise is the only one who was trying to dive over and over to pin Franky. Should be a solid rating.
Don't remove the old one, where Luffy quite frankly can't escape his drop and couldn't escape getting pulled out
The current profile is fine
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Yah he's heavy, the floor would crack from the weight.
We do not see the fight, for all we know he just hopped on Franky, cracked the ground and the latter didn't get hurt much while Pink beat him up
The feat literally isn't LS for him but an anti feat for Luffy
He just fell on his feet, I fail to see how it scales to Machvise's LS
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This is a reach. Senor Pink doesn't hit people when they're down, that's out of character and an extreme assumption that isn't based on anything except "he could've".
And the damage shown is akin to something falling on him. He'd have individual bruises throughout his body if that was the case.
How is that an antifeat for Luffy.
Machvise's weight is enough to pin the dude down, and Luffy couldn't pull out of it for a prolonged period of time. That's lifting strength.
You're basically arguing that Machvise fell on Senor Pink.
Pink can move through the ground. The moment he landed, Pink would've left.
You're failing to understand. We don't work with presumablys, we work with what's shown. Your revision is quite frankly a bunch of headcanon
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We don't know how the fight went, it could have been that him and Pink just double attacked him from two directions or maybe he's just too heavy for Franky to lift which is why he's hurt and so on.
We just don't see enough of a fight to know if he just used AP to bash him
He has damage across his entire body, I fail to see how that indicates just a single fall
No it isn't, how is being too heavy for a guy to lift LS for you, it's just their LS not being enough
Also in the scan he even names it Ten Ton Vise, so it's likely well ten ton
Even if you assume it isn't for some reason (Even though the entire naming scheme for his attacks seem to be the amount of tons) when he tries to take out Zoro he explicitly uses 10,000 ton and acts like it's some serious shit, so what are we just assuming that he for some reason just went really ******* light for Zoro?
His power is to swim through the ground, he could just be lower than where Machvise hit
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Did you not see the actual fight? Franky and Pink 1v1'd, then Machvise showed up and kept trying to fall on Franky.
You're quite frankly saying "well we don't know, maybe Senor Pink did something he's never showcased, would never showcase, and it out of character for him to showcase.
The single fall by the dude comparable in size landing all over his body. Do you not see how big he is in comparison to Franky? It would show it throughout his whole body when he's like 4x his size.
And being enough to pin you down is lifting strength.
If you wanna put his weight up to Class M with his DF then be my guest, but unknown when he pins somebody down is absurd.
He used a thousand on Zoro, then he raised it to 10,000 for Hajrudin.
Machvise hit the entire ground. How is he lower when his a third of his body is above ground.
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The manga shows basically nothing of the fight, I don't think actually tag teaming a dude is that absurd considering Pink was more than willing to do it with Luffy.
Even grabbing his legs or something and just letting Machvise could just repeatedly crush into him, which would have him downscale and so on.
Literally how, he's just falling on and being too heavy for Luffy to lift
This is like if I sat on a guy's chest and than him being unable to lift me somehow meant my LS scales to him, not like Luffy can even try partially pushing him off him since the guy landed on his feet.
Heck the fact he landed on his feet just means Luffy has even less leverage to try and actually push him up or something so this is literally just a weight on Luffy rather than someone trying to keep him down actively.
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Him damaging him to that extent isn't worthy of downscaling.
Machvise fell on him and hurt him to a high extent.
It doesn't matter if he held him, doesn't matter if he pinned him on the floor. And i'm not a fan of "we don't see much" when we know how these guys fight and we know how it ended.
Aight then
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Changes to Machvise's profile seems fine.
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I know this has been applied and accepted but his range needs to be updated as well I think
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