Luke Cage Downgrade

[The_Impress]

Luke Cage has some super big problems doesn't he?

Tier and Attack Potency
Excuse me but why do we assume him to scale to his AP when by nature he's a stone wall? He shouldn't scale in the first place, considering he's usually Spider-Man levels at the absolute best.

• Proposed Tier & AP: At least High 8-C & At least Large Building level
  • Easily overpowers Venom and Green Gobli, Can hurt Tombstone and Hammerhead

Durability
Yes, he did tank the explosion, but he almost died doing so, so it's clear that KOing him in general should take far feckin less lol.

• Proposed Durability: At least High 8-C, Low 7-C at peak.
  • Can take hits from Hammerhead and tank Pumpkin Bombs

In Summary
His current feats are his peak durability feats which shouldn't scale to his AP nonetheless, and it clearly takes far less to harm him or KO him. The "Unbreakable" Luke Cage is the textbook definition of a Stone Wall and should remain as such

 

[Hellbeast1]

I'd also note his durability feat kills him

I'm cool with downgrading my boi

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I agree

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Shadowland Daredevil should be High 8-C to, maybe even 7-A scaling to Ghost Rider

 

[Hellbeast1]

Maybe At Least High 8-C possibly 7-A?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I'm fine with that

 

[Hellbeast1]

I think Iron Fist could get similar imo but that's neither here nor there

 

[The_Impress]

Ghost Rider's too inconsistent to scale off of

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Aight, High 8-C Shadowland Daredevil then I guess

 

[SuperAPM]

In fairness I would say it'd be best to place him at High 8-C+ given his showing against Rhino. That's just me tho.

 

[The_Impress]

Eh, fine ig, this'll give Hammerhead High 8-C+ too.

 

[SuperAPM]

Well he is currently rated as At least High 8-C, so seems fitting at least.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

So High 8-C+ Luke Cage?

 

[Eficiente]

I agree with this as well.

 

[Antvasima]

This is probably fine.

 

[SuperAPM]

So when can this be applied?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I think this probably can.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, it seems to have been accepted.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I will apply this then.

It's just Luke Cage, Hammerhead and Shadowland Daredevil right?

 

[SuperAPM]

Yeah, go for it

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Ah Tombstone scales to? Is there anyone else who scales?

 

[SuperAPM]

Was Hammerhead enhanced by adamantium when Tomstone fought him? The scans in question appears to be from a 90's comic

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Hmmn I'm not sure.

Tombstone did take a hit by Luke Cage, but considering how he kinda got completely overpowered he probably doesn't scale.

 

[Antvasima]

Why should other characters scale to Luke Cage being a stone wall?

He is physically stronger than Spider-Man though.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

We are not scaling to Luke Cage's Tier 7 stone wall durability feat, we are merely scaling characters depicted to have similar strength to his AP (which we decided to be High 8-C+).

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is probably fine then.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

@Ant Do you know if Tombstone fought adamantium or pre-adamantium Hammerhead? In other words should he scale to Luke Cage?

 

[Antvasima]

I do not remember when exactly that they fought. Sorry. But it seems extremely unlikely that Hammerheard could do anything against Tombstone before becoming an adamantium cyborg.

 

[The_Impress]

We don't scale Pre-Adamantium Hammerhead to High 8-C for logical reasons. Because like. It's just a dude.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Then shouldn't he just be unknown instead of 9-A

 

[The_Impress]

9-A is general Marvel Street Tier, he scales to other Kingpin henchmen likely and Daredevil.

 

[Antvasima]

Zark is correct.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Alright then.

This can be closed I suppose

 

[SuperAPM]

Although it would be good to discuss the Ultimates High 8-C rating. Probably in another thread, but even so its good that I have this opportunity to mention it in general

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

What issue does it have?

 

[SuperAPM]

Well as far as I'm aware their ratings come from scaling to the 616 High 8-C's. But much like it is with the Ultimates Low 6-B's I believe they should be scaled off their own feats.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Although it would be good to discuss the Ultimates High 8-C rating. Probably in another thread, but even so its good that I have this opportunity to mention it in general

There's a few things I think could stand to be discussed with the Ultimate Universe

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I also have something to discuss about the Earth 616 street tiers as well, but I suppose we should close this for now.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Well as far as I'm aware their ratings come from scaling to the 616 High 8-C's. But much like it is with the Ultimates Low 6-B's I believe they should be scaled off their own feats.

Well some of them don't have much of their own feats to scale to and if they consistently fight High 8-C/Low 6-B characters at least in the Ultimate universe, they can scale, just like Captain America.

 

[SuperAPM]

Well, I'm not aware of any High 8-C Ultimates feats is the thing. At least not ones performed by characters who don't already scale far above them. If their feats come down to 8-C or even 9-A/B then I'd say its best to leave them there.

Also Ultimates Cap's current rating is.....well, rather peculiar to say the least.