Luffy gear multiplier rebunks one Piece]

[isee]

GEAR 2 DOROKI REBUNKS

➙Debunk 1: It states the power level is only a measure of strength.

We’ve seen that the Douriki scale works by kicking and punching and Strength is a general term as it determines Strengths clearly not just one thing stated by Fukurou.

➙ Debunk 2: physical ability can refer to multiple things so why would it be speed?

Fukurou has an ability called “Teawase ranking” it allows him to rank the CP9 members based on their physical ability [Note: Physical ability : the ability to perform some physical act therefore speed, strength, durability…] stated by Jarbra on Ch Chapter 379.


While other things such as durability and flexibility apply as physical ability all that is important for us is essentially only strength and speed, by definition they are both are physical ability as they are both abilities relating to/of the body.

http://www.edu.xunta.gal/centros/iescastroalobrevilagarcia/system/files/BASIC%20PHYSICAL%20ABILITIES.pdf

Speed in physical

Strength meaning
Now to provide the consistency,we see that ”physical ability” in this arc is used to describe speed so most logical to assume that fukuros measurement measures speed as speed refers to physical ability

➙ Debunk 3:Luffy is relative to blueno and lucci in base contradicting the multiplier

This can interpretated as in these scans are when Lucci is not trying we can assume this by his casual fighting style and not using his techniques. As we see that Lucci EFFORTLESSLY dodges all of Luffy's attacks and when he uses his technique “Yellow Lotus Flower” he literally speed blitzes base Luffy. logically via occams razor this is a casual fighting Lucci.

Gear 4th rebunks

➙Debunk 1: “It refers to strength”

It states that it increases Tensile Force and luffy is rubber so it does correlate to speed we also see him perception blitz doflamingo which we didn’t see him do until he showed his gear 4 transformation proving its also speed.

Why an multiplier in tensile strength would multiply force/strength and speed

Tensile strength is essentially the maximum stress that a material can withstand while being stretched/pulled/compressed before breaking. For example if I have a piece of rubber, there will be the maximum stress that piece of rubber can withstand while being stretched before it ultimately breaks.

The reason why a higher maximum stress/affect on the tensile strength would apply to speed/strength is because for example I stretch a rubber band 5cm, it will retract with little force and speed because of how far I stretched it. However I now stretch it back 10cm double the first amount it will retract with double the force and speed.

The reason this would mean Luffy speed and strength/force is multiplied is because in gear 4th Luffy’s rubber has a increased maximum stress that he can withstand while being stretched/compressed/pulled before breaking. And as I’ve already explained, that would lead to a higher speed and strength/force.


Source

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_tensile_strength]

For example like his gomu gomu rocket the further luffy stretches the faster the person/thing will be launched
Show here

 

[Damage3245]

. Gear 2nd amps Luffy’s speed.
. Luffy’s power is greatly increased.
. The flow of blood accelerates.
. Gear 2nd allows Luffy to gain overwhelming speed.
. All the techniques are accelerated meaning he’s gotten faster.
. Gear 2nd dramatically improv

All of this can be true without Gear 2 being a 10x multiplier.

Our multiplier standards prevent us from reasoning out a multiplier like you've done for the Blueno & Lucci comparisons.

The 10x figure from the databook is not valid as it's not in the original. There's no reason to use it.

 

[PrinceofPein]

OP

Reduce the images or put them in a linked text

 

[Darkvie123]

Tbh no one agreed G2 was a 10x multiplier as we have made a thread about that in the past and it was a fake french translation. G2 is a 5x amp from what i know

 

[isee]

Tbh no one agreed G2 was a 10x multiplier as we have made a thread about that in the past and it was a fake french translation. G2 is a 5x amp from what i know

No one agree on any number

 

[isee]

All of this can be true without Gear 2 being a 10x multiplier.

Our multiplier standards prevent us from reasoning out a multiplier like you've done for the Blueno & Lucci comparisons.

The 10x figure from the databook is not valid as it's not in the original. There's no reason to use it.

Since I prove doroki system is valid so can we use 5x multiplier

 

[Damage3245]

Since I prove doroki system is valid so can we use 5x multiplier

Nope.

 

[isee]

Nope.

Any reason?

 

[isee]

We can get gear 2nd multiplier
From rob lucci amp=4.5
Doroki amp=5
3D2Y amp=100
Moria amp=1000-3000 depending on what translation you use

Tbh no one agreed G2 was a 10x multiplier as we have made a thread about that in the past and it was a fake french translation. G2 is a 5x amp from what i know

We can get gear 2nd multiplier
From rob lucci amp=4.5
Doroki amp=5
3D2Y amp=100
Moria amp=1000-3000 depending on what translation you use

 

[TioKill]

The sheer amount of mental gymnastics here is insane.
The 10x multiplier is a mistranslation because the word "tenfold" isn't in the original version, which is the one that's valid for scaling.
Strengths is in plural because Fuku is referring to multiple people.

Strength can mean just physical strength, as in striking and lifting. Since it has been measured through striking, it is referring to striking unless proven otherwise.

Yes, people with higher Doriki are shown to be faster to some extent, but we have no idea of knowing if it's to the same extent as their strength. These aren't linear.

Doriki only measures the physical strength of one's body, it does not take Rokushiki into account, which is why Blueno is capable of keeping up with Luffy regardless of the fact the latter has a Doriki close to 4000.

 

[Romeu08]

GEAR 2 DOROKI REBUNKS

We’ve seen that the Douriki scale works by kicking and punching and Strength is a general term as it determines Strengths clearly not just one thing stated by Fukurou.

Fukurou has an ability called “Teawase ranking” it allows him to rank the CP9 members based on their physical ability [Note: Physical ability : the ability to perform some physical act therefore speed, strength, durability…] stated by Jarbra on Ch Chapter 379.


While other things such as durability and flexibility apply as physical ability all that is important for us is essentially only strength and speed, by definition they are both are physical ability as they are both abilities relating to/of the body.

http://www.edu.xunta.gal/centros/iescastroalobrevilagarcia/system/files/BASIC%20PHYSICAL%20ABILITIES.pdf

Speed in physical

Strength meaning
Now to provide the consistency,we see that ”physical ability” in this arc is used to describe speed so most logical to assume that fukuros measurement measures speed as speed refers to physical ability

This can interpretated as in these scans are when Lucci is not trying we can assume this by his casual fighting style and not using his techniques. As we see that Lucci EFFORTLESSLY dodges all of Luffy's attacks and when he uses his technique “Yellow Lotus Flower” he literally speed blitzes base Luffy. logically via occams razor this is a casual fighting Lucci.

This does not contradict what is written in the french databook because it doesn’t say anything like gear 2 is a twofold multiplier and then the french version says a 10x multiplier if this were the case then it would obviously be a mistranslation but theres nothing that is mutually exclusive between extraordinary and 10x extraordinary is used to describe going beyond what is usual, regular, or customary so the french version is just giving us the specific increase so theres no reason to believe this.

why would it be consistent?
In the databook it states that “One of the six formulas instantly puts 10 or more kicks on the ground and use the reaction to move at explosive speed” then Luffy explains how grateful he is to CP9 for showing him the basis of Soru. This implies that he mimicked the kind of movement it takes to move at such speed and applied that to Gear 2nd in which both his speed and power would be multiplied by that much.

Translation

**Title:
全ての技が加速する!!
Main Paragraph:
【ギア2 】
強敵CP9と戦う為、ルフィが自ら考え出した”ゴムゴムの実„の新戦法!!ゴムの体をポンプの様に使い、激しい蒸気と共に圧倒的スピードを得るのだ!!
Middle left Paragraph:
↑→全身から立ち上る蒸気が発動の合図。血液の流れが加速し、身体能力が劇的に向上!!その分、体力を大幅に消耗する。

【ゴムゴムのJETバズーカ】
→速度が上がる事で、全ての技の破壊力も大幅にアップ!!一度は”鉄塊„に阻まれた”ゴムゴムのバズーカ„も”ギア2„なら突き破る。

Translation:
———————————————————————
All the techniques are accelerated!

[Gear 2]
In order to fight against the strong enemy CP9, Luffy has come up with a new strategy of "Gomu Gomu no Mi"! He uses his rubber body like a pump to gain overwhelming speed with intense steam!

↑→ Steam rising from the whole body is the signal for activation. The flow of blood accelerates, dramatically improving your physical abilities! This will cause a significant drain on your physical strength.

[Gomu Gomu no JET Bazooka]
→By increasing its speed, the destructive power of all of its moves is greatly increased! The "Gomu Gomu no Bazooka" that was once blocked by the "Tekkai" can be broken through with "Gear 2".**

Summary
. Gear 2nd amps Luffy’s speed.
. Luffy’s power is greatly increased.
. The flow of blood accelerates.
. Gear 2nd allows Luffy to gain overwhelming speed.
. All the techniques are accelerated meaning he’s gotten faster.
. Gear 2nd dramatically improves Luffy’s physical abilities.
Databook
Shown in above

We know that Base Luffy being relative to Blueno means that he should have a Doriki of also 820. However Base Lucci has a Doriki of 4000 this means that Base Lucci is around 5 x faster/stronger than Base Luffy which is reasonable and consistent however when Luffy goes in Gear 2nd, Luffy >> Base Lucci then after ** Gear lucci transforms into his leopard form which would be logical to assume that its a 2x multiplier making him have 8000 douriki and we know Gear 2nd Luffy >= Hybrid Lucci >>> Lucci (Base) >>> Luffy (Base) so this would further back up the fact gear 2 is a 10x Multiplier.

Now,Finally

Its also stated that his aggression and killing intent gets doubles further backing up that his leopard form is a 2x multiplier so which all these evidence we can conclude that gear 2 is a indeed a 10x multiplier



GEAR 4 REBUNKS

It states that it increases Tensile Force and luffy is rubber so it does correlate to speed we also see him perception blitz doflamingo which we didn’t see him do until he showed his gear 4 transformation proving its also speed.

Why an multiplier in tensile strength would multiply force/strength and speed

Tensile strength is essentially the maximum stress that a material can withstand while being stretched/pulled/compressed before breaking. For example if I have a piece of rubber, there will be the maximum stress that piece of rubber can withstand while being stretched before it ultimately breaks.

The reason why a higher maximum stress/affect on the tensile strength would apply to speed/strength is because for example I stretch a rubber band 5cm, it will retract with little force and speed because of how far I stretched it. However I now stretch it back 10cm double the first amount it will retract with double the force and speed.

The reason this would mean Luffy speed and strength/force is multiplied is because in gear 4th Luffy’s rubber has a increased maximum stress that he can withstand while being stretched/compressed/pulled before breaking. And as I’ve already explained, that would lead to a higher speed and strength/force.


Source

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_tensile_strength]

For example like his gomu gomu rocket the further luffy stretches the faster the person/thing will be launched
Show here

Agree with everything except the 10x multiplier
Good evidence and proof for doriki scaling to speed same as gear 4

 

[isee]

We can get gear 2nd multiplier
From rob lucci amp=4.5
Doroki amp=5
3D2Y amp=100
Moria amp=1000-3000 depending on what translation you use

Tbh no one agreed G2 was a 10x multiplier as we have made a thread about that in the past and it was a fake french translation. G2 is a 5x amp from what i know

I deleted the g2 being 10x multiplier one

 

[isee]

Agree with everything except the 10x multiplier
Good evidence and proof for doriki scaling to speed same as gear 4

Yeah I am removing that

 

[isee]

All of this can be true without Gear 2 being a 10x multiplier.

Our multiplier standards prevent us from reasoning out a multiplier like you've done for the Blueno & Lucci comparisons.

The 10x figure from the databook is not valid as it's not in the original. There's no reason to use it.

I remove that point

 

[isee]

The

The sheer amount of mental gymnastics here is insane.
The 10x multiplier is a mistranslation because the word "tenfold" isn't in the original version, which is the one that's valid for scaling.
Strengths is in plural because Fuku is referring to multiple people.

I removed the 10x multiplier one

 

[isee]

Reduce the images or put them in a linked text

I reduced the images

 

[isee]

Nope.

Still waiting

 

[Damage3245]

Still waiting

Doriki system =/= Multiplier.

I'm not seeing any proposals here for the threads that can be accepted.

 

[Godernet]

Even if the Doriki showed that Luffy bridging a 10x gap between him and Hybrid Lucci there's no proof that it's a consistent multiplier. Especially post-time skip where we see Luffy fighting opponents in base and G2 with pretty small differences in performance. You would think that if Base Luffy could damage Katakuri a 10x Base G2 would perform better.

 

[isee]

The sheer amount of mental gymnastics here is insane.
The 10x multiplier is a mistranslation because the word "tenfold" isn't in the original version, which is the one that's valid for scaling.
Strengths is in plural because Fuku is referring to multiple people.

Strength can mean just physical strength, as in striking and lifting. Since it has been measured through striking, it is referring to striking unless proven otherwise.

Yes, people with higher Doriki are shown to be faster to some extent, but we have no idea of knowing if it's to the same extent as their strength. These aren't linear.

Doriki only measures the physical strength of one's body, it does not take Rokushiki into account, which is why Blueno is capable of keeping up with Luffy regardless of the fact the latter has a Doriki close to 4000.

Doroki does count speed

rob lucci had higher doroki than luffy in water he speedblitz him

 

[Damage3245]

Doroki does count speed

rob lucci had higher doroki than luffy in water he speedblitz him

That doesn't make it 1 to 1 between strength and speed.

 

[isee]

Even if the Doriki showed that Luffy bridging a 10x gap between him and Hybrid Lucci there's no proof that it's a consistent multiplier. Especially post-time skip where we see Luffy fighting opponents in base and G2 with pretty small differences in performance. You would think that if Base Luffy could damage Katakuri a 10x Base G2 would perform better.

Rob have higher doroki than franky and he speed blitzes him

 

[isee]

That doesn't make it 1 to 1 between strength and speed.

Rob had higher doroki than franky and he speed blitzes him

 

[Therefir]

This supposed multiplier is not even consistent with what is shown in the series, people of lower doriki can keep up with those of higher doriki, and Gear 2nd is not even shown to be that superior to Base Luffy nowadays.

It's superior yes, but not to a x5 extent, let alone a x10 multiplier.

Also the manga made sure to specify that they were referring to power being multiplied and not speed, and the tensile force thing is just a reach in my opinion.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Btw you can put links with your sentences so people can click on them and see your images without you posting a ton of images and clogging your message.
Click the chain/link icon, go to your image, right click and press the " copy image address " button, then come back, right click the " URL " bar, and click " paste as plain text ".
Example

 

[KingTempest]

What 10x gap did Luffy ever cover to warrant a 10x multiplier for G2nd

 

[TioKill]

Doroki does count speed

rob lucci had higher doroki than luffy in water he speedblitz him

He used Soru. Doriki doesn't take Rokushiki into account.
Blueno vs Base Luffy and Lucci vs Base Luffy is basically indistinguishable in terms of who keeps better pace with Luffy before the latter goes G2.

 

[TioKill]

This supposed multiplier is not even consistent with what is shown in the series, people of lower doriki can keep up with those of higher doriki, and Gear 2nd is not even shown to be that superior to Base Luffy nowadays.

It's superior yes, but not to a x5 extent, let alone a x10 multiplier.

Also the manga made sure to specify that they were referring to power being multiplied and not speed, and the tensile force thing is just a reach in my opinion.

Also, Doflamingo clashing with Base Luffy then claiming G2 Luffy "has no weight".

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Disagree with OP for all the reasons Damage and TioKill listed

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I also disagree with the OP.