Lucina Revision.

[Ryu_Master]

Lucina is not Continent level, she has no feats of such.

1.-The Falchion is the one who could SEAL Grima, not kill him nor even hurt him.

2.-She doesn´t have her swrod exalted in canon, making her significally weaker than Chrom.

3.-In many of the conversations with the future kids, they claim most of their parents where mostly one-shot. (Crhom was killed by a Thoron by Robin!Grima. Which was still limited to his "human" form.)

4.-The only reason Robin could kill Grima is because they are one and the same, that was the entire point of that ending.

5.-Lucina has no other feats supporting this claim aside from the wall-breaking one in supports.

 

[The_Everlasting]

1. Last I checked, it could harm him as well.

2. I'm pretty sure she has it in the DLC.

3. Why does that matter?

4. Not seeing why that is the case.

5. And this matters why?

 

[Ryu_Master]

1.-It is stated clearly on the wikia and in the games themselves. The Falchion was made to counter DRAGONS. Also, Neither Chrom or Lucina managed to kill Grima, only put him to sleep for a thousand or so years.

2.-That DLC is not canon. Claiming it is is the equivalent of saying that they somehow know about Tellius or Elibe which would be major plothole in the entire saga.

3.-Because people in the comments claim Chrom could easly "dodge and tank" attacks from Grima. Chrom got one-shot in canon by Robin, being able to resist his attacks is based on RNG Stats.

4.-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fIdPPFFgyk

The frist dialogue.

5.-That being somehow Continent is unreasonable.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

OMFG this is back? Lucina has been able to fight on par with and damage her father who can legit tank attacks and fight back against Grima. If that wasn't enough, she should still be at least on par with Robin because Chrom is.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

2.-That DLC is not canon. Claiming it is is the equivalent of saying that they somehow know about Tellius or Elibe which would be major plothole in the entire saga.

Despite the fact they somehow knew about Ike in canon and met his descendant from another universe? Nice try pal.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

Also, when Robin said that he and Grima weren't the same, how does that suddenly make him not continent level? He was saying that because he's as strong as him. Nowhere does it state in ANY FE lore that Grima has some weakness to himself.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

3.-Because people in the comments claim Chrom could easly "dodge and tank" attacks from Grima. Chrom got one-shot in canon by Robin, being able to resist his attacks is based on RNG Stats.

Because he could. Nothing you say can change that that happened. He tanked attacks from Grima and was able to attack him therefore he scales.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

"Which was still limited to his "human" form"

Really...So now we're going to make up some other stuff about how Grima is suddenly not continent level because he's a human now?

 

[Ryu_Master]

1st.- Calm down and read what you are writting before you post it.

2nd.- Check the video on number 4 again. Naga itself states that if Robin killed Grima, he would dissapear as well. (Because they were the same all along.) Robin him(her)self also states that he(she) is also Grima, making his (her) sacrifice the only way to put Grima down for good.

3rd.- Robin fought with Chrom, Lucina and the entire army on his sode against Grima, he never fought him head on AND he NEVER stated that he was as strong as Grima, he ONLY said they were the same being all along.

If you claim he said that he is as strong as Grima, feel free to take your time searching for the script and PROVE it.

4th.- Chrom COULDNT Tank anything from Grima. Nothing at all. He got canonically OHK by Robin!Grima's Thoron. I don't think it would be necessary to explaon how grinding and stats are useless and invalid on this debate.

5th.-"Make up some other stuff"? Neither Grima nor Lucina, nor Chrom mor Robin are continent busters. They lack feats of such claims.

The Falchion ONLY WORKS ON DRAGONS and Robin only managed to kill Grima because he(she) was Grima as well.


To conclude, If you are not able to properly present evidence or actual feats of your claims, i ask of the admins to remove the "Comtinent" nonsense from Lucina's (Chrom's as well) page for good.

 

[Ryu_Master]

Or at least put a note clearly stating "At least Country level AGAINST DRAGONS".

Another thing is that Lucina NEVER got her Falchion exalted in canon, making her virtually unable to seal Grima at all, thus killing your argument. (At least make another page for Lucina as "Lucina (Future Past)".)

Oh! I almost forgot, Grima never actually destroyed the continent...nor a single country in the entire plot. He did Conquer it and kill a bunch of people and stuff, but he never, EVER made it dissapear from the planet at all.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

1st.- Calm down and read what you are writting before you post it.

2nd.- Check the video on number 4 again. Naga itself states that if Robin killed Grima, he would dissapear as well. (Because they were the same all along.) Robin him(her)self also states that he(she) is also Grima, making his (her) sacrifice the only way to put Grima down for good.

3rd.- Robin fought with Chrom, Lucina and the entire army on his sode against Grima, he never fought him head on AND he NEVER stated that he was as strong as Grima, he ONLY said they were the same being all along.

If you claim he said that he is as strong as Grima, feel free to take your time searching for the script and PROVE it.

4th.- Chrom COULDNT Tank anything from Grima. Nothing at all. He got canonically OHK by Robin!Grima's Thoron. I don't think it would be necessary to explaon how grinding and stats are useless and invalid on this debate.

5th.-"Make up some other stuff"? Neither Grima nor Lucina, nor Chrom mor Robin are continent busters. They lack feats of such claims.

The Falchion ONLY WORKS ON DRAGONS and Robin only managed to kill Grima because he(she) was Grima as well.


To conclude, If you are not able to properly present evidence or actual feats of your claims, i ask of the admins to remove the "Comtinent" nonsense from Lucina's (Chrom's as well) page for good.

1st. Sorry I wasn't in the best mood when writing this.

2nd. Robin doesn't kill himself if that's what you're implying. Robin obviously kills Grima, therefore killing himself.

3rd. OMG are you really arguing this? The entire army knew that only Chrom could really beat Grima. None of them knew about Robin though.

4th. In canon it's pretty much stated that only Chrom can fight Grima because he has the Exalted Falchion. Also, he didn't in fact die from the stab wound the second time, so that argument has pretty much become invalid.

5th. Now you're arguing that Grima isn't even continent level? Now I can officially just consider you a troll, or someone who understands little of what they're even saying. Grima is on par with Naga who has a legit continent level feat.

No, it doesn't. Even then, Chrom could legitimately damage Grima without the Falchion. He certainly can't kill him, but damaging him means he still scales. And once again, nowhere is it stated that Grima had some weird weakness to himself. You're making that up.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

Or at least put a note clearly stating "At least Country level AGAINST DRAGONS".

Another thing is that Lucina NEVER got her Falchion exalted in canon, making her virtually unable to seal Grima at all, thus killing your argument. (At least make another page for Lucina as "Lucina (Future Past)".)

Oh! I almost forgot, Grima never actually destroyed the continent...nor a single country in the entire plot. He did Conquer it and kill a bunch of people and stuff, but he never, EVER made it dissapear from the planet at all.

THE DLC COUNTS. Unless you have something where it obviously contradicts canon, then in no way is it non-canon. Also, to add more fuel to the flames, in the DLC, Chrom and co. legit have to g up against Roy who is believe it or not, continental.

 

[Ryu_Master]

1st.- Calm down and read what you are writting before you post it.

2nd.- Check the video on number 4 again. Naga itself states that if Robin killed Grima, he would dissapear as well. (Because they were the same all along.) Robin him(her)self also states that he(she) is also Grima, making his (her) sacrifice the only way to put Grima down for good.

3rd.- Robin fought with Chrom, Lucina and the entire army on his sode against Grima, he never fought him head on AND he NEVER stated that he was as strong as Grima, he ONLY said they were the same being all along.

If you claim he said that he is as strong as Grima, feel free to take your time searching for the script and PROVE it.

4th.- Chrom COULDNT Tank anything from Grima. Nothing at all. He got canonically OHK by Robin!Grima's Thoron. I don't think it would be necessary to explaon how grinding and stats are useless and invalid on this debate.

5th.-"Make up some other stuff"? Neither Grima nor Lucina, nor Chrom mor Robin are continent busters. They lack feats of such claims.

The Falchion ONLY WORKS ON DRAGONS and Robin only managed to kill Grima because he(she) was Grima as well.


To conclude, If you are not able to properly present evidence or actual feats of your claims, i ask of the admins to remove the "Comtinent" nonsense from Lucina's (Chrom's as well) page for good.

1st. Sorry I wasn't in the best mood when writing this.
2nd. Robin doesn't kill himself if that's what you're implying. Robin obviously kills Grima, therefore killing himself.

3rd. OMG are you really arguing this? The entire army knew that only Chrom could really beat Grima. None of them knew about Robin though.

4th. In canon it's pretty much stated that only Chrom can fight Grima because he has the Exalted Falchion. Also, he didn't in fact die from the stab wound the second time, so that argument has pretty much become invalid.

5th. Now you're arguing that Grima isn't even continent level? Now I can officially just consider you a troll, or someone who understands little of what they're even saying. Grima is on par with Naga who has a legit continent level feat.

No, it doesn't. Even then, Chrom could legitimately damage Grima without the Falchion. He certainly can't kill him, but damaging him means he still scales. And once again, nowhere is it stated that Grima had some weird weakness to himself. You're making that up.

1.-Don´t worry, i forgive ya.

2.-It can go either way, really. Naga said just before the battle that there were two options, using the Falchion and seal Grima or let Robin deal the final blow. (Keyword - Final Blow.) It´s just like Ike and Ashera, really. Only Ike could "Kill" Ashera, but Everyone could hurt her.

Naga´s speech, the battle preparations and the battle itself imply Robin just dealt the final blow on Grima (So Grima would be weak) , so that should at least be put as a note.

3.-OMG, i am. Naga herself (Itself? Who knows.) stated in front of the entire army that Chrom would have to deal the final blow to seal Grima OR Robin would have to sacrifice himself(herself?), this is proven by Naga´s dialogue, the pre-battle dialogue AND the Sacrifice Ending.

4.-Robin spared him. Chrom himself says so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyaOfISmQTE (11:48) Robin could have killed Chrom right there if he wanted to, also, He DID die on the frist timeline, you can´t argue he didnt.

5.-Well, at least present proof that he virtually destroyed anything, would you kindly? ...But, let´s leave that aside for now. We are talking Lucina here. (And, he only killled Naga in Future Past, aside from that, yeah, he could be a country buster.)

Making that up? Come on man, read the wiki itself. Chrom could NEVER actually Kill Grima at all. That is why not every character can end the fight themselves, that is why you are given the choice between having Chrom SEAL Grima or making Robin sacrifice. (The only way to kill him. Also, yeah. Grima wants Robin´s body, not to kill him.)

Falchion- (http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Falchio)

This weapon is imbued with the power to slay dragons, and has, throughout its various incarnations, proven pivotal in vanquishing end-game antagonists, including the likes of Medeus,Duma, and Grima.

 

[Ryu_Master]

Or at least put a note clearly stating "At least Country level AGAINST DRAGONS".

Another thing is that Lucina NEVER got her Falchion exalted in canon, making her virtually unable to seal Grima at all, thus killing your argument. (At least make another page for Lucina as "Lucina (Future Past)".)

Oh! I almost forgot, Grima never actually destroyed the continent...nor a single country in the entire plot. He did Conquer it and kill a bunch of people and stuff, but he never, EVER made it dissapear from the planet at all.

THE DLC COUNTS. Unless you have something where it obviously contradicts canon, then in no way is it non-canon. Also, to add more fuel to the flames, in the DLC, Chrom and co. legit have to g up against Roy who is believe it or not, continental.

Frist, no. The DLC is not canon. At all.

Having them have knowledge of Elibe, Magvel or Tellius is a massive contradiction in the series.

In Tellius, every other continent is on water and there are only two Goddesses.

In Elibe, there are no records of any other fight with the dragons aside from the scouring, no Gods are present and there are no records of any other continents existing.

The same can be said about Magvel. (FE8)

Future Past contradicts canon for two major reasons. At no point in the story (Chapters 1 to 24, becuase after you "defeat" Grima Gameplay wise in Future Past 3, he clearly states he would kill you because you were NOT strong enough, so they can´t be Chapter 25´s Chrom and pals, also, maybe even before that because in theory, Chrom could have sealed the other Grima as well with his Exalted Falchion, so it must be BEFORE Chapter 24.), Chrom and pals had any time to spare to go to the Outrealm Gate just for the sake of it and do what Naga asks of them AND they never even mention the Outrealm Gate existing at all.


Roy is a legit continent buster, yeah. He has feats of such. (Shaking the entire continent and cutting it in half.)

 

[Kyle_Matthews]

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