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I think its best to divide them using stuff like, certain milestones more than arcs? Like the introduction of masteries/kings, then paths, etc
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I am willing to help out with every series except questism, you guys are on your own for that one
Even with ADHD meds it was still such a chore to read through it again, you can tell which characters on my notes are from questism because I couldn't even be bothered to annoate their names lmao
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I haven't read Questism myself, or at least not yet, though I eventually have to in order to update Johan's profile. But the point is, we'll start with the Lookism arcs.I am willing to help out with every series except questism, you guys are on your own for that one
Even with ADHD meds it was still such a chore to read through it again, you can tell which characters on my notes are from questism because I couldn't even be bothered to annoate their names lmao
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Where do you guys want me to start? Cuz there is technically some minor power creep during the first few dozen chapters with the Gian high school that already establishes J high as being freakishly strong even when lookism wasn't super human (speaking of why was Gian high school in particular a reoccurring villain for so many arcs lmao)
We had the dude with glasses that abused his GF that Zack used as a punching bag (he is also the 'hots! Hots!' guy that spoke to the 3 upper class men from Gian that wanted to jump Zack after they saw him crying while drunk before they got beat up by him at the library and him beating them up became a running gag lol)
And then we finally have the trio of dorks that scammed people online using shoes and their leader that was an amateur boxer like Zack, we were shown that each of them could take out a Judoka that were shown to be both pretty tall, and weight a lot/muscle mass AND knew judo, and Zack pretty much slimed them out by himself including one shooting their leader the same way Daniel one shot him by punching him in the stomach lol
Part 1: Chapter 1 through 38 chain scale
So we have Yong Lee (he is younger than his upper classmen and just generally portrayed as a bum who can only beat up those weaker than him and who doesn't know how to fight) < his upper class men(Yong Lee felt confident that his 3 upper class men could beat Zack, after he lost to Zack, later on another bully similar to him also felt confident that the upper class men could beat up Zack so there is a consistent pattern of these 3 being stronger) < Judoka (because of their build and knowing Judo, I don't see the 3 bozos being able to overpower them especially since they have no martial arts knowledge and have smaller builds) < Woojin's underlings (the surpise kick guy one shotted a Judoka and supposedly has a black belt in taekwondo though given that he can only fo a surpise kick I somehow doubt that, the other underling is also both stronger than and better than the judoka at Judo) < Woojin (stated he is the strongest among the trio and is also the top dog at his high school, felt confident taking on Zack even after Zack beat both of his underlings, could also handle Zack's jabs slightly better compared to his underling who got one shot from having their head slammed into a wall by an injured Zack, and the other one who couldn't even react to Zack's jabs) ~ BOS Zack (they should scale around the same as Woojin was able to take out Zack with surpise jabs but Zack was also able to keep up while injured and one shot him by targeting his stomach the way Daniel did, in a fair fight at full HP I still see Zack winning due to better narrative and feats)
There is also that gangster dude with a bat who is apparently from Syheon's school, he is from the call out arc though he is fodder as Zack with broken(?) arms basically low diffed him lol so I am not gonna include him on the chain scale as at best he would maybe scale to Woojin's underlings
I know this all probably doesn't sound relevant but it could tie into questism scaling as that boxer guy Zack beat was the top dog at Gian school if that means anything or has any scaling implication, as I know questism has some earlier series calcs with Syheon breaking a closet door that we can maybe use for BOS J high?
Could technically scale BOS J high to one of these 3 calcs or slightly lower/higher
Edit: I completely forgot post training Jin Jang is in questism and he has A+ stats meaning neither of these 3 are applicable as BOS J high should scale way below that version of Jin Jang, darn QwQ
I'll get to the actual relevant stuff tomorrow since its late, this is kind of just an example, any suggestions to what I can add to the chain scale are welcome! Good night guys :3
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Lol
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To be fair it was nearly 1400 chapters worth of chain scaling what did you guys expect
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It's better to simplify between arcs and separate levels than to create massive chain scaling, or at least you've already seen that it's like thatTo be fair it was nearly 1400 chapters worth of chain scaling what did you guys expect
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Btw can I get some input on this? Specifically if any of the questism calcs could be usable to scale BOS Jay high? Since our first lookism calc appears all the way in chapter 200 something (hostel when Logan tanks a motorcycle exploding)
Or should I just move on to part 2 of the chain scale?
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With the sole exception of Questism.
They've got an abundance of much crazier hax distributed to a majority of the cast.
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Igy there. Do you want it to be chainscaling off of stats or including abilities/who would win realistically in a fight?I am willing to help out with every series except questism, you guys are on your own for that one
Even with ADHD meds it was still such a chore to read through it again, you can tell which characters on my notes are from questism because I couldn't even be bothered to annoate their names lmao
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Ehhh, not really. BOS Jay doesn't have scaling to the other J High students at time to my knowledge.
But if we assume he's physically weaker than BOS Vasco, then he'd only be B-level at most. (Worker Executive scaling starts at A+ in Questism via Post-Training Jin Jang's stats).
Jin Jang even before his Samuel training would put insane hands on a lot of the BOS cast, considering how he was easily destroying Vasco until he used Muay Thai (Fake Bank Account, Chapter 169-170).
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I was mostly joking, I'll get to it eventually I just have to properly rename all the characters but help would be greatly appreciated, I am pretty knowledgeable on questism haxs wise, I just really don't want to reread a third time
Though we are gonna do lookism first, which is what I am gonna help out with
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Yeah if you read further up you'll notice I edited one of my comments because I remembered post training Jin Jang exists lol
As for hostel scaling I think Jay and Logan can be used to scale most of J high (even if they are weaker or stronger than them during that arc) as they should all be within the same range
We also know that Vasco did get stronger in hostel compared to when he fought Jin Jang with Muai Thai so I think it should be fine probably?
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Kk, let me know when you start getting to Questism. Scaling that series is my forté.I was mostly joking, I'll get to it eventually I just have to properly rename all the characters but help would be greatly appreciated, I am pretty knowledgeable on questism haxs wise, I just really don't want to reread a third time
Though we are gonna do lookism first, which is what I am gonna help out with
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Do you think this calc might be fine to use to scale BOS J high? I know its technically performed by EOS Syheon, but as far as I am aware he performed it on fodders so he was probably severely holding back (and we also have much higher calcs with much lower stats so you clearly don't need to be even close to immeasurable to perform feats on such a scale)
If this doesn't work any calc suggestion would be welcome as I'd be very bummed out if the scaling chain HAS to start at hostel lol
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Definitely not. We know he was holding back, but we cant be sure to what degree. You could probably use the Logan tanking an explosion calc maybe? Should still be around wall level iirc
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I don't think we can scale Logan's feat to his 'natural defense' since Jay couldn't damage him conventionally; at best, it would reduce its value.
Btw, I don't think we should keep scaling Rolex Goo's speed feat to the others, at least to the Lookism Mid Tiers. That feat was performed by an adult Goo, probably a few months before 2A and a short time after Charles fired him from his plans, which is why he appears as a mercenary in Manager Kim.
Btw, I don't think we should keep scaling Rolex Goo's speed feat to the others, at least to the Lookism Mid Tiers. That feat was performed by an adult Goo, probably a few months before 2A and a short time after Charles fired him from his plans, which is why he appears as a mercenary in Manager Kim.
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Actually no, the Rolex feat happened in the Inheritance Arc, which was before the events of 4A. There are many arcs between the Inheritance Arc and 4A, but that feat didn't happen after 3A because it would mess up the timeline.
Edit : Logan feat can be used in BoS cause even Fat little Daniel was able to draw his blood with punches and I don't think anyone had any big power ups from Daniel vs Logan arc to Jay vs Logan Chapter
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Well, you're right, since MI wasn't working on 4A yet. However, the feat was accomplished by a more mature Goo, a few months after 4A took place.
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That's just Haemoptysis, as explained on the durability page. Furthermore, we still see that Fat Daniel was being outmatched
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Yeah that's why I still think, we should consider the BoS Goo feat to be on safe side
Yeah But also to back Logan himself said while fighting against Jay that he only felt pain twice by that punch, first against Fat Daniel (with Zack's punch) and Second Jay with his systema , so I do believe other characters like Zack, Vasco,Jay and 4 MCH should able to easily scale to Logan or above him (only for 4MCH)
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Hm fair enough, so should we scale BOS J high to /2 the Logan explosion calc since if memory serves right BOS Logan is actually stronger than most of BOS J high though they should still scale to him at least partially?
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I just reread the Jay vs Logan fight and Jay was not able to damage Logan using normal punches but WAS able to damage Logan using systema which is just Jay using proper techique, so I think Jay should def scale, Logan is just an endurance tank but Jay can def deal at least minor damage, imo for the part 1 chainscale I outlined I think we can go with half of the motorcycle calc as during the first 100 chapters all of J high is weaker than Logan but they should still partially scale to him
Edit: During the Jay fight Logan also felt the need to wear Jay's helmet. You could also argue that the rest of his body's durability scales above the explosion he tanked, as his face also tanked the explosion and it didn't take any damage but he still felt the need to protect it against Jay
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I think it should only apply to the highest levels, since the feat is further from BoS than it seems. Even so, I think we could keep the "Possibly" since Johan was able to fight Manager Kim, who is comparable to Jincheol Park. My problem, though, would arise when we have to apply the CQC multiplier... Would Goo be three times slower than Jincheol Park or Manager Kim?
Well, I guess we can scale it up. Also, it's worth noting that Logan seems to increase in value similarly to Homelander with his explosion feat. Anything below them won't harm them.
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For the BOS Goo feat we know BOS Gun scales to BOS Goo who is apparently King level
and EVEN then we have seen that Goo with a joycon can perception blizts the likes of 3T Jageyon, so unfortunately its probably gonna be quite a while until ANYONE scales to BOS Goo because of PTJ's retroactive upscaling of doom and despairPeople dog on gun for always getting glazed and upscaled by PTJ, but he basically got used as a power scaling measuring stick for most of the series and it took us getting UI Gun and Gun vs path Johan for Gun to get a lead in terms of power creep
Meanwhile Goo casually went from basically no diffing a character who could one shot the crewheads at the time (basement hulk) AFTER he powered up, and then AGAIN after ANOTHER power up
Then he and Tom circle jerked- I mean upscaled each other
Then HFG happened which was also technically an upscale even if Goo got ragdolled as he got upscaled by Johan scaling to base Gun who scales to him
And then finally PTJ made Goo lookism's black freeze and gave him the ultimate upscale of doom and despair by giving him 50S and having him completely mop the floor with someone who should scale to UI Gun (weakened version)
Can't wait for 3 arcs from now where PTJ randomly decides to retroactively retcon that 15 year Goo was actually prime Gap level lmao /j
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That's not even worse, the worse crap PTJ ever cooked was"ohh they are on par with Gun" And "Tom level Physical stats" Like if we go by narrative Zack is legit GD arc Base Gun level, Another being if we go by Raws Jichang should be easily HFG base Gun level with his Daniel's statement and Elite's offer... Guess what both Zack and Jichang gets cliffed by JaegyeonFor the BOS Goo feat we know BOS Gun scales to BOS Goo who is apparently King level
People dog on gun for always getting glazed and upscaled by PTJ, but he basically got used as a power scaling measuring stick for most of the series and it took us getting UI Gun and Gun vs path Johan for Gun to get a lead in terms of power creep
Meanwhile Goo casually went from basically no diffing a character who could one shot the crewheads at the time (basement hulk) AFTER he powered up, and then AGAIN after ANOTHER power up
Then he and Tom circle jerked- I mean upscaled each other
Then HFG happened which was also technically an upscale even if Goo got ragdolled as he got upscaled by Johan scaling to base Gun who scales to him
And then finally PTJ made Goo lookism's black freeze and gave him the ultimate upscale of doom and despair by giving him 50S and having him completely mop the floor with someone who should scale to UI Gun (weakened version)
Can't wait for 3 arcs from now where PTJ randomly decides to retroactively retcon that 15 year Goo was actually prime Gap level lmao /j
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Random question
Do you all think EoS V-Hit high Tiers should able to scale to this feat?https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...e_Offender_Cal:_Yoonsung_Lee_destroys_a_floor
Or it should be only limited to JO Hobin and Taehoon
Do you all think EoS V-Hit high Tiers should able to scale to this feat?https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...e_Offender_Cal:_Yoonsung_Lee_destroys_a_floor
Or it should be only limited to JO Hobin and Taehoon
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I think only Hobin and Taehun would realistically scale to that as they were shown to be narratively superior to Yoonsung. Not sure about the rest of the v-hit cast
With the sole exception of Samdak of course
With the sole exception of Samdak of course
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Only Hobin and Taehoon should climb, or those who are higher than them, although nobody really does since Samdak is already on 9-A and possibly High 8-C
Btw, there's a problem with the crater: Yoonsung Lee was hit against it more than once, so the result should be less than it looks.
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Just read his profile. Potential legend is actually "At least 9-B, likely 9-A" at the current moment
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Meanwhile, Samdak in MK defeats a guy with Class M potential and his own 9-A feat
I want to update Samdak's profile and the military trio's, but I've already done too many Lookism sandboxes. I'm barely going to finish Paecheon Jo's.
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If I'm done with some RQ things soon, I can try to help. No promises tho
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Don't worry, good luck with RQ too. I'd like to read it even though I already have several things to catch up on.
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I think all Military dads should only get "possibly H8C" Instead of direct scaling cause, it's 50-50 since Black market proven that Holding back Tom is above Military Trio and Samdak has barely any chain scaling to scale to FP Tom
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The military trio should only be rated "Possibly," though Jincheol Park did push Goo quite hard to fight seriously. I think Samdak and Sophia should be rated High 8-C, as they are narratively superior.
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Since if we are going by narrative scaling shouldn't Sophia should able to scale above Igor who performed Class M feat, since she is the Pinnacle of Russia, so if Sophia scales to the main God tier of verse like Gap, James, kitae and shingen would get Class M as LS?
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I doubt James will get Class M since LS isn't his specialty, but yes, in general all the top tier in the verse should reach Class M or at least a "possibly" rating.
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Being narratively above someone can be argumentative for AP but LS is still different. You can be able to beat or even easily beat someone but that doesn’t mean you have higher LS than them unless there’s actually some sort of contest of strength.
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Also, Sophia scaling herself isn’t concrete as she canonically holds back in many of her showings too and comparing her with other Lookism characters requires various of assumptions with dubious reasonings…
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