Loid Forger vs. Tadaomi Karasuma

[Jinsye]

9-A vs. 9-B but the AP gap isn't actually that bad.

If we assume Loid is 36.18 megajoules vs. Karma's 5.8 megajoules, that's a gap of roughly 6x. Add onto the fact that Karasuma scales to fighting someone who one-shot Karma, then this gap is a lot smaller than you think. Loid has an AP advantage but not that much.

Regardless, speed isn't equalized (Loid is faster slightly, Karasuma's Mach 2.5 vs. Loid's Mach 3). The fight takes place in an alleyway.

Who wins?

Loid Forger: 0

Tadaomi Karasuma: 0

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

So in short, Karasuma is fighting someone who is stronger, faster, smarter, skilled, have better senses and is generally more haxed.

 

[Jinsye]

Stronger? Yes. Faster? Yeah.

More skilled? Absolutely ******* not.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Stronger? Yes. Faster? Yeah.

More skilled? Absolutely ******* not.

Karasuma don't mention anything even close to Loid profile though.

 

[Jinsye]

Karasuma don't mention anything even close to Loid profile though.

Karasuma's basically the third most skilled person in the world, only really beaten by Korosensei. He's kept up with the God of Death and Korosensei said that Karasuma surpasses him.

The God of Death is pretty much one of the most talented people in the entire world, every single day he kills masters and surpasses them, mimicking their skill and surpassing them in whatever job they have and allowing him to become the best assassin and fighter in the world. Loid is one of the best spies in the world, but if you can keep up with someone who straight up kills and copies the most talented individuals in the world then being the best spy isn't comparable.

The God of Death is also capable of stomping Class 3-E in seconds, who are capable of going toe-to-toe with full on assassins and soldiers, and most members of Class 3-E have struggle hitting him due to the fact that he leaves absolutely no openings to be exploited in his fighting style.

 

[Jinsye]

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[Expectro2000xxx]

Karasuma's basically the third most skilled person in the world, only really beaten by Korosensei. He's kept up with the God of Death and Korosensei said that Karasuma surpasses him.

The God of Death is pretty much one of the most talented people in the entire world, every single day he kills masters and surpasses them, mimicking their skill and surpassing them in whatever job they have and allowing him to become the best assassin and fighter in the world. Loid is one of the best spies in the world, but if you can keep up with someone who straight up kills and copies the most talented individuals in the world then being the best spy isn't comparable.

The God of Death is also capable of stomping Class 3-E in seconds, who are capable of going toe-to-toe with full on assassins and soldiers, and most members of Class 3-E have struggle hitting him due to the fact that he leaves absolutely no openings to be exploited in his fighting style.

I mean, that great and all but I don't see any feat on his profile that is close to Loid feats on his profile.

Cool, Loid have in his profile listed smarter feats than the Reaper, along with better Analytical Prediction and Information Analysis, Loid also show to have better stealth/disguise ability than the Reaper by far, Loid is also able to perfectly mimick others even with few information about them, and Loid ability to manipulate others straight up is at the level of even be a great diplomatic. Loid is simply too above what Reaper is accustomed to face by a lot and he straight up have better feats than him on his profile.

Stomping a group of kids who are below you in all aspects and that have received training for less than a year I wouldn't say is the most impressive feat.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

But anyways, putting aside the skill debate, there is something that Karasuma can do in this situation when his opponent have literally all the advantages except LS (which isn't going to really help in a fight with firearms).

 

[Jinsye]

Cool, Loid have in his profile listed smarter feats than the Reaper, along with better Analytical Prediction and Information Analysis

Not really? Loid's feats are basic anime skill stuff. Predicting the trajectory of attacks, etc.

Assassination Classroom's stuff is way more sci-fi bullshitty. Stuff like wavelength reading far outclasses Loid's info analysis, and "smarter" does not mean "more skilled" regardless. The penguin feat is impressive but is irrelevant in terms of skill, and Loid's profile does a really poor job of listing actual combat feats. (The 38 guys feat isn't even on the page and even then that feat was one-by-one so it's not as good as fighting one supremely skilled person).

Loid also show to have better stealth/disguise ability than the Reaper by far, Loid is also able to perfectly mimick others even with few information about them, and Loid ability to manipulate others straight up is at the level of even be a great diplomatic.

This isn't relevant to the debate, even if the Reaper's social influencing skill is better.

The Reaper can straight up cause you to believe he's an harmless innocent man, stab you in the neck, and still have you believe he's a harmless innocent man. He can outright threaten your loved ones and still make you believe that he's completely and totally innocent. That's superhuman, far beyond any charisma any diplomat can do.

 

[Jinsye]

But anyways, putting aside the skill debate, there is something that Karasuma can do in this situation when his opponent have literally all the advantages except LS (which isn't going to really help in a fight with firearms).

Both are supersonic no? They move faster than their handguns and can bullet time fairly easily. Gun viability can be limited if you move faster than guns

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Loid's main advantages is he's much better at fighting pragmatically and exploiting the environment, on top of debatably better info analysis.

Karasuma has greatly superior combat skill and is extremely good at avoiding ambushes and countering environmental advantages.

Skill-wise I'd put them roughly equal unless it comes down to a melee fight. If it does Karasuma outskills handily, but I doubt Loid wouldn't recognize that and do a damned good job of making sure that doesn't happen.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Also we assume projectiles are faster

 

[Jinsye]

Also we assume projectiles are faster

Kinda weird because both of them are bullet timers aren't they? And also Loid has a specific set of guns which Karasuma would be faster than (his rifle is explicitly an AK-47)

 

[Creaturemaster971]

I think we just kinda upscale projectiles

I could be wrong though

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Not really? Loid's feats are basic anime skill stuff. Predicting the trajectory of attacks, etc.

Assassination Classroom's stuff is way more sci-fi bullshitty. Stuff like wavelength reading far outclasses Loid's info analysis, and "smarter" does not mean "more skilled" regardless. The penguin feat is impressive but is irrelevant in terms of skill, and Loid's profile does a really poor job of listing actual combat feats. (The 38 guys feat isn't even on the page and even then that feat was one-by-one so it's not as good as fighting one supremely skilled person).

Going to copy things from previous threads:

Loid have feats like shoting down two persons while in mid air sending flying another three mans (and defeating in that same scene 38 mans with weapons in 10 seconds mixing physical combat with gunmanship), shot a dog in a way that the dog didn't get hurt while losing his velt, shot several projectiles mid air so they end hiting his target over dozen of meters away.

Loid have analytical/processing feats like the parry high speed projectiles based in the eyes and hand movement of the other side, analyze the contents of books by passing the pages at high speed, regain his composture in 0.1 seconds, penguin feat.

Loid have sense feats like notice that people look at him, their exact location and intentions, notice a minimal displacement of an object, a small symbol in a cluttered environment, notice listening devices as if nothing, notice someone disguised, notice a sniper inside a ventilation duct, noticed a colorless and odorless gas

And more things that anime adapted since the moment I wrote the above thing (since I still only follow the anime the feats I know are those adapted to the anime or the manga ones that are in the profile), so I would like to see scans with similar feats from Karasuma.


About the combat itself Loid also have bulletproof and stab-proof equipment so that would help to lessen even more the damage besides the big ap advantage that he have.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

The second Reaper is able to make a pinpoint shot to kill someone on a high speed train moving in the opposite direction from the high speed train he himself is on. Not to mention shooting down Korosensei's tentacles through prediction, each of which is many times faster than his kinetic vision. He also curbstomped Class E, all of whom are highly-trained military-level combatants, in seconds, and it was noted that he still would have won even if there were a hundred of them.

Karasuma was able to feel the Reaper's presence from rooms away in order to track him and his intentions, doing so despite having to adapt to his techniques which specifically obscure his position and intentions even from those who are looking directly at him and already have potent info analysis like Nagisa.

Can grab scans later

 

[Doggo]

should speed just be unqualized? both have the same rating anyway

 

[Ironinquisitor]

Karasuma most likely has the edge in strength and his durability (stopping I-beams, lifting massive chunks of rocks) with a slight edge in hand-to-hand combat. Loid has the edge in intellect, experience, and stealth. Both are probably even in terms of speed. Though in my opinion I'd give the win to Karasuma.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Good new to Karasuma side but seems like the current 9-A calc is wrong so Loid get downgraded, don't know if he get downgraded to his previous value or something else but depending on that the fight can go quite different so better wait until is decided to what he scales.

 

[PartialPriority54]

Karasuma should be faster, he has speed feats of dodging machine gun fire from the Reaper (aka the best assassin in the world) on his profile. He should at least scale to 1200 m/s to 1422 m/s which is Mach 3.5 to Mach 4. Also, Loid is now 10.4 MJ

 

[Doggo]

Karasuma should be faster, he has speed feats of dodging machine gun fire from the Reaper (aka the best assassin in the world) on his profile. He should at least scale to 1200 m/s to 1422 m/s which is Mach 3.5 to Mach 4. Also, Loid is now 10.4 MJ

so who has the ap advantage now?

 

[Doggo]

Karasuma should be faster, he has speed feats of dodging machine gun fire from the Reaper (aka the best assassin in the world) on his profile. He should at least scale to 1200 m/s to 1422 m/s which is Mach 3.5 to Mach 4. Also, Loid is now 10.4 MJ

eh loid upscales from fiona who is mach 3, they should be comparable

 

[Ironinquisitor]

Karasuma most likely has the edge in strength and his durability (stopping I-beams, lifting massive chunks of rocks) with a slight edge in hand-to-hand combat. Loid has the edge in intellect, experience, and stealth. Both are probably even in terms of speed. Though in my opinion I'd give the win to Karasuma.

And that's just based on what I know. I just started getting into Assassination Classroom like this month. I'm only familiar with Loid from reading the Wiki profile about his abilities.

 

[Doggo]

And that's just based on what I know. I just started getting into Assassination Classroom like this month. I'm only familiar with Loid from reading the Wiki profile about his abilities.

everything you is true

 

[Ironinquisitor]

9-A vs. 9-B but the AP gap isn't actually that bad.

If we assume Loid is 36.18 megajoules vs. Karma's 5.8 megajoules, that's a gap of roughly 6x. Add onto the fact that Karasuma scales to fighting someone who one-shot Karma, then this gap is a lot smaller than you think. Loid has an AP advantage but not that much.

Regardless, speed isn't equalized (Loid is faster slightly, Karasuma's Mach 2.5 vs. Loid's Mach 3). The fight takes place in an alleyway.

Who wins?

Loid Forger: 0

Tadaomi Karasuma: 0

Since the fight takes place in an alleyway and user Creaturemaster above said Loid is best at exploiting the environment, how would that factor into the fight? Like I said, I'm more familiar with Assassination Classroom and its characters than anything from Spy x Family.

 

[Doggo]

Since the fight takes place in an alleyway and user Creaturemaster above said Loid is best at exploiting the environment, how would that factor into the fight? Like I said, I'm more familiar with Assassination Classroom and its characters than anything from Spy x Family.

Wall running?

 

[Ironinquisitor]

Wall running?

Yeah, that or I can imagine jumping from wall to wall.

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Taking advantage of cover and stuff I suppose
Or weaponizing whatever is laying nearby

Until Karasuma bulldozes through everything, of course

 

[ElajRuengies]

Loid's AP is outdated, it's currently 10.14 - 11.82 Megajoules from being 0.6 - 0.7 of Yor's Volleyball Feat

 

[Jinsye]

Well that lessens the gap a lot

 

[Ironinquisitor]

Taking advantage of cover and stuff I suppose
Or weaponizing whatever is laying nearby

Until Karasuma bulldozes through everything, of course

Just imagine all the whirlwind of large dumpsters, debris, and stray cats in the alleyway (poor kitties) that are flung towards Karasuma as he bulldozes through it all lol.

 

[Doggo]

Loid's AP is outdated, it's currently 10.14 - 11.82 Megajoules from being 0.6 - 0.7 of Yor's Volleyball Feat

whats the gap now?

 

[Cimafranca133]

whats the gap now?

1.748-2.037x

 

[Jinsye]

Less of a gap now, at least

 

[Doggo]

Karamara fra ig

 

[Doggo]

damn I hate auto correct

 

[Creaturemaster971]

Just imagine all the whirlwind of large dumpsters, debris, and stray cats in the alleyway (poor kitties) that are flung towards Karasuma as he bulldozes through it all lol.

 

[Ironinquisitor]

Guess that settles the fight. Karasuma wins.

Pretty much that lol.

 

[Doggo]

bump