Little Upgrade for Kars & Jotaro

[Hypercyber37]

Hello

If the Red Stone is powerful enough to ignite a volcano at its full Potential, wouldn't this also increase Ultimate Kars, who combined the Stone and Mask to transform into the Ultimate form, to that level at his full Potential? I mean, as a being who has no weakness to anything in the world, he had to be sent to Space. Even if the explosion hit him directly, wouldn't he be able to overcome it as the Ultimate life form?





If Star Platinum's Time Stop ability can even temporarily stop Made in Heaven's Time Acceleration ability, shouldn't TS Hax be 4D? or at least get Uni+ range?

 

[Da3ggman]

Hello

If the Red Stone is powerful enough to ignite a volcano at its full Potential, wouldn't this also increase Ultimate Kars, who combined the Stone and Mask to transform into the Ultimate form, to that level at his full Potential? I mean, as a being who has no weakness to anything in the world, he had to be sent to Space. Even if the explosion hit him directly, wouldn't he be able to overcome it as the Ultimate life form?

He'd probably be able to "overcome" it, in the sense that he would survive it, but we have no idea how he would. As in, we don't know if he would just face-tank that shit, or be blown to a paste on the ground and just regenerate. The hypothetical is too assumption based to really use, unfortunately.

Hello

If the Red Stone is powerful enough to ignite a volcano at its full Potential, wouldn't this also increase Ultimate Kars, who combined the Stone and Mask to transform into the Ultimate form, to that level at his full Potential? I mean, as a being who has no weakness to anything in the world, he had to be sent to Space. Even if the explosion hit him directly, wouldn't he be able to overcome it as the Ultimate life form?





If Star Platinum's Time Stop ability can even temporarily stop Made in Heaven's Time Acceleration ability, shouldn't TS Hax be 4D? or at least get Uni+ range?

I don't really have an opinion on this.

 

[Hypercyber37]

He'd probably be able to "overcome" it, in the sense that he would survive it, but we have no idea how he would. As in, we don't know if he would just face-tank that shit, or be blown to a paste on the ground and just regenerate. The hypothetical is too assumption based to really use, unfortunately.

I don't really have an opinion on this.

I mean the stone that makes it transform is 7-A at full power

 

[Da3ggman]

I mean the stone that makes it transform is 7-A at full power

Ohhh, you mean scaling him based off of his transformation, gotcha. In that case, I disagree. The Red Stone varies in power depending on how much sunlight energy is imbued into it, and Kars barely got a few UV Lamps of it when transforming. Meanwhile, the power that Kars sent into the Stone when it split the volcano was his own Hamon, which was hundreds of times stronger than Josephs and described as "the sun itself"; this vast amount of power is why the Red Stone shot out the laser that powerful, since it multiplies sunlight energy by millions of times and concentrates it, so Kars would only scale to like, a millionth of the feat's value, whatever it is.

 

[Hypercyber37]

Ohhh, you mean scaling him based off of his transformation, gotcha. In that case, I disagree. The Red Stone varies in power depending on how much sunlight energy is imbued into it, and Kars barely got a few UV Lamps of it when transforming. Meanwhile, the power that Kars sent into the Stone when it split the volcano was his own Hamon, which was hundreds of times stronger than Josephs and described as "the sun itself"; this vast amount of power is why the Red Stone shot out the laser that powerful, since it multiplies sunlight energy by millions of times and concentrates it, so Kars would only scale to like, a millionth of the feat's value, whatever it is Ultimate Kars also

Ultimate kars also have a Hamon + powered by red stone

 

[Chariot190]

Hello

If the Red Stone is powerful enough to ignite a volcano at its full Potential, wouldn't this also increase Ultimate Kars, who combined the Stone and Mask to transform into the Ultimate form, to that level at his full Potential?

Uh, no? That's with an item? It isn't his own AP, it's magnified a fucktrillion times over due to the Super Aja, you could maybe take it to be his maximum value if you squint really hard and misinterpret what the text is saying but, ya know. The Super Aja itself can scale to it, in fact, we already scale to it.

I mean, as a being who has no weakness to anything in the world, he had to be sent to Space. Even if the explosion hit him directly, wouldn't he be able to overcome it as the Ultimate life form?

He can regenerate. In a state he very explicitly exceeds in all capabilities, that being his base, he can come back from chunks smaller than 1cm^3. Some stuff would have you even believe he can come back from a puddle, dust, and even some cells while Ultimate.

Him being unkillable doesn't mean much, especially given surface area of a volcanic blast is a lil hard to tank in full.

Not enough info to scale it to durability.

If Star Platinum's Time Stop ability can even temporarily stop Made in Heaven's Time Acceleration ability, shouldn't TS Hax be 4D? or at least get Uni+ range?

Time stop do be 4D, by like default, stopping time would in fact halt an ability that manipulates time, not really anything to change there? This is just basic built-in stuff for time stop as a ability, in like everything ever.

 

[StrymULTRA]

or at least get Uni+ range?

MiH's time acceleration is Uni+ because of it generating a new big bang, not because of it accelerating time.

Time Stop can still affect it despite being High Uni because of it being still a 4D ability, although a lesser degree.

 

[Chritin]

Hello

If the Red Stone is powerful enough to ignite a volcano at its full Potential, wouldn't this also increase Ultimate Kars, who combined the Stone and Mask to transform into the Ultimate form, to that level at his full Potential? I mean, as a being who has no weakness to anything in the world, he had to be sent to Space. Even if the explosion hit him directly, wouldn't he be able to overcome it as the Ultimate life form?





If Star Platinum's Time Stop ability can even temporarily stop Made in Heaven's Time Acceleration ability, shouldn't TS Hax be 4D? or at least get Uni+ range?

Just gonna piggy back off what Chariot said and also mention that the point of the Super Aja was that it was powerful enough to enhance the stone mask so that it could fully pierce Kars’s head, unlike the normal stone mask which couldn’t. Thus Aja stone’s would be superior to Kars’s own durability since it could directly harm him.

Also yeah, Time Stop has Uni+ range. We know all time based abilities in JoJo do. It stopping MiH’s acceleration is just a byproduct of it being stopped. Jotaro using time stop during the acceleration is like just turning a car off while it’s driving.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Also yeah, Time Stop has Uni+ range. We know all time based abilities in JoJo do.

No, it's just High Uni rn.

 

[Chritin]

No, it's just High Uni rn.

Well, that should probably get changed at some point. I'll look at the raw statements on time-based abilities, but I feel like on principle if they extend out infinitely through the physical universe, then they would be affecting all of time and thus be Low 2-C too. High 3-A quite blatantly doesn't account for time.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Well, that should probably get changed at some point. I'll look at the raw statements on time-based abilities, but I feel like on principle if they extend out infinitely through the physical universe, then they would be affecting all of time and thus be Low 2-C too. High 3-A quite blatantly doesn't account for time.

You do realize that Low 2-C has to affect all the time, in the meaning of all of the past, present and future at once?

Time Stop blatantly doesn't do that, it just stops the present. Time Acceleration is fully Uni+ because of it eventually resetting all the space-time, but Time Stop affected it only before it happened.

 

[Chritin]

You do realize that Low 2-C has to affect all the time, in the meaning of all of the past, present and future at once?

Time Stop blatantly doesn't do that, it just stops the present. Time Acceleration is fully Uni+ because of it eventually resetting all the space-time, but Time Stop affected it only before it happened.

Ahh, my bad. I think I've had that explained to me before but I forgot lol. I don't do much high tier stuff for a reason if you couldn't tell.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Ohhh, you mean scaling him based off of his transformation, gotcha. In that case, I disagree. The Red Stone varies in power depending on how much sunlight energy is imbued into it, and Kars barely got a few UV Lamps of it when transforming. Meanwhile, the power that Kars sent into the Stone when it split the volcano was his own Hamon, which was hundreds of times stronger than Josephs and described as "the sun itself"; this vast amount of power is why the Red Stone shot out the laser that powerful, since it multiplies sunlight energy by millions of times and concentrates it, so Kars would only scale to like, a millionth of the feat's value, whatever it is.

You made me wonder how strong is Kars hamon AP wise