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Light speed beam sword Zelda universe.

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Oracle of Seasons If Link has the Noble Sword or the Master Sword, he can fire a Sword-shaped Sword Beam from his Sword while his health is full. If the Light Ring is transferred to Oracle of Seasons in a Linked Game from Oracle of Ages, Link is capable of using it. While wearing the Light Ring, Link can use Sword Beams from the Noble Sword and Master Sword even with up to two Hearts of damage.

Oracle of Ages If Link has the Noble Sword or the Master Sword, he can fire a Sword-shaped Sword Beam from his Sword while his health is full. While wearing the Light Ring, Link can use Sword Beams from the Noble Sword and Master Sword even with up to two Hearts of damage.

In both oracles games it says that one of Link's most iconic moves, can be manifested with the ring of light (a ring that helps link manipulate light) if he dosent meet the initial requirements to do it (not lose a heart), not only this is consistent in both Oracle games but the beams have been working the same way since they first appeared, and through out the franchise they have never changed that much, the fact that in the Oracle games you need the ring of light to basically manifest the beam attacks, proves that the beams are made of light themselves.

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The Legend of Zelda The Adventure of Link A Link to the Past Link's Awakening Majora's Mask Oracle of Seasons Oracle of Ages Four Swords Four Swords Adventures The Minish Cap Phantom Hourglass Spirit Tracks Skyward Sword A Link Between Worlds Tri Force Heroes Breath of the Wild.

I wanted to make sure with everyone before we make any kind of calc for it.
 
Sounds a little vague, and being consistent doesn't quite make it legit.
 
Just because it's called "Ring of Light" doesn't by default mean we assume Sword Beams are made of literal light. We kind of need more demonstrations and or elaborate statements before accepting it as a real light beam.
 
being made of light doesn't always equate to lightspeed. If that were the case than the gems would be lightspeed.
 
The ring of light helps Link manipulate light the beams travel a straight line always, they are always referred as sword beams A light beam or beam of light is a directional projection of light energy radiating from a light source, in the oracle games that light source is basically the ring of light.

Also in Botw when Shot they emit an intense bright light.

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And when it hit an enemy it disperse in a shower of light particles and no its not the enemy doing the effects either.

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That's waaaaaaaay too vague, I don't think that's enough by our lightspeed conditions.

Instead, we should give "Light Speed with Light Arrows (or Bow of Light) to the Links that have it, as that's already been accepted.
 
Being called a light ring isn't enough to justify the beams it can fire move at the speed of light. Do the beams showcase actual properties of being light such as reflecting off reflective surfaces such as mirrors?
 
AshenCrow777 said:
The ring of light helps Link manipulate light the beams travel a straight line always, they are always referred as sword beamsA light beam or beam of light is a directional projection of light energy radiating from a light source, in the oracle games that light source is basically the ring of light.
Also in Botw when Shot they emit an intense bright light.

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And when it hit an enemy it disperse in a shower of light particles and no its not the enemy doing the effects either.

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Also a tibit from the laser/light dodging page:

Additionally, if a series is very close to lightspeed or exceeds it in several other calcs and scenarios (such as what is seen in DBZ), there is less of a burden of proof to show that the laser is a true laser.
 
Yup I agree with GiverOfThePeace also link can scale to this feat too

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Which further reinforce that light speed feats throughout the Loz universe is legit and a common thing, Botw literally says that guardian beams are made of light and it acts like light too (see the picture when link is talking with a Hylian listen to his close encounter with a guardian.

"When a Guardian spots Link it will lock on to him with its laser attack. However, striking a Guardian can cause it to shoot a laser without the need to lock on. Later, they will be able to fire multiple lasers in succession, with the first hit damaging Link and subsequent hits stunning him."

So no guardians don't need to lock on with the red laser sight to shoot Link that is just a game mechanic to make it easier for us aside from tips no NPC even remotely reference the red laser sight all they talk a out is just seeing a flash of blue light beam and that's it.

And I can't see why people can't understand that the Ring of Light helps Link manipulate light itself and allows him to shoot beams at his enemies via light ring when he's not full health also they travel at incredible speed and can't be interacted with by a normal human.

And also through out the Franchises beams and laser are extremely common in every Zelda games.
 
>Guardian laser being light

Ahah no. The simple fact that the beam explodes once it reaches its target instead of burning/piercing is all the proof you need to discredit them from being light.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
>Guardian laser being light

Ahah no. The simple fact that the beam explodes once it reaches its target instead of burning/piercing is all the proof you need to discredit them from being light.
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By this logic the Death Star isn't a laser but just a energy blast that blows up a planet extend of melting a specific area over time because scientifically speaking Lasers are all about pin point accuracy, not a big boom. For example: A beam can be directed at a five-centimeter spot up to 2 kilometers away. Lasers apply heat to the target causing various failures, such as melting. If the target contains an explosive, the heat effect can cause a big boom.

Guardians once they come in contact with something it sets the area on fire because there is so much heat at the point of impact and yes guardians do burn what ever it hits cause if it was just an explosion like you say none of these effects would have been there.

Hell if you use anything wooden to defend yourself it gets caught on fire and destroyed.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
>Guardian laser being light

Ahah no. The simple fact that the beam explodes once it reaches its target instead of burning/piercing is all the proof you need to discredit them from being light.
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By this logic the Death Star isn't a laser but just a energy blast that blows up a planet extend of melting a specific area over time because scientifically speaking Lasers are all about pin point accuracy, not a big boom. For example: A beam can be directed at a five-centimeter spot up to 2 kilometers away. Lasers apply heat to the target causing various failures, such as melting. If the target contains an explosive, the heat effect can cause a big boom.

Guardians once they come in contact with something it sets the area on fire because there is so much heat at the point of impact and yes guardians do burn what ever it hits cause if it was just an explosion like you say none of these effects would have been there.

Hell if you use anything wooden to defend yourself it gets caught on fire and destroyed.
 
The difference is that and Star Wars is that Star Wars lasers have multiple statements about moving at the speed of light; not just that it's a beam of light. There are several notes on the Laser/Light Beam Dodging Feats. There needs to be like 3 out of the 5 properties to be considered light speed. The Sword Beams and Skyward Strike only have the one statement of being a beam of light. And the projectiles themselves aren't really straight lines and they're considered magic. Not to mention, Skyward Strike during the battle against Demise; Skyward Strike was more like a lightning bolt rather than a laser light.

The Guardians do have more indicators of light such as being machine generated, but it's never stated to be light speed and it only bounces when enough force is pushed back into it. Light isn't supposed to have force, which Guardian beams from BotW do. Light Arrows and Beamos Beams have multiple statements and properties so they qualify for light speed. But much of the other stuff simply don't have enough back up properties.
 
I think that Medeus makes sense here.
 
You all seem to ignore that "Also a tibit from the laser/light dodging page:Additionally, if a series is very close to lightspeed or exceeds it in several other calcs and scenarios (such as what is seen in DBZ), there is less of a burden of proof to show that the laser is a true laser."GiverOfThePeace.

The sword beams have like more than 2 statements and they always worked like that, Skyward Sword as the statement in the book And several mentions in the game Fi constantly reminds you of that and if you read the description it basically says it uses Light Force the force of all life in the universe to shoot beams out of your sword the same way that the light arrows work.

Link using lightning as nothing to do with the ordinary Skyward Strike because the moment you lift your sword Lightning strikes it so the sword dosent have time to charge up.

And about your argument about being magic does it even matter several characters uses magic to achieve light speed on this wiki and if we want to talk about Loz then Light arrows themselves are made of magic hell the light arrows and the sword beams are basically the same thing since they both function on Life Source.

The guardians designs were based to resamble octoroks are made to act like beamos hell when beamos hit you with a laser and your guard is up you get slightly knock backwards and if you get hit you get clearly thrown backwards so I don't see why guardians can't be accepted. "While Guardians are formidable opponents, they have a few weaknesses. A Guardian's eye is their weak spot; shooting it with an Arrow causes extra damage and interrupts the charging of their '''laser'''."

Guardian Stalker Main article: Guardian Stalker Guardian Stalkers are powerful enemies, with high health, high resistance and a laser beam attack that deals six Hearts of damage. If a target is too close to them, they will attempt to distance themselves i order to fire their lasers; otherwise they will relentlessly pursue said target until they lose track of it. When defeated, they may drop any combination of Ancient Gears, Ancient Screws, Ancient Shafts, Ancient Cores and Ancient Springs. Link can cut off the legs of a Guardian Stalker, dealing high damage and temporarily stunning them.

"Guardian Scout Main article: Guardian Scout Guardian Scouts are smaller variants of Stalkers that can be found within Ancient Shrines and Divine Beasts. They come in four different forms. Depending on the form, these can be equipped with different weapons. They can also use their laser to repeatedly burn the ground surrounding them, sending Link back if struck. Additionally, when near death, they will charge a stronger laser attack that cannot be interrupted"''

Hell you see in this part nintendo even acknowledge how lasers works by repeatedly burning the ground you all seem to forget that legend of Zelda is a game and it's not going to explain you every single in game detail about the game they give you several information and thats it but these info never clash with each other throughout the series all things like beams and light speed attacks as always been consistent and again

"laser/light dodging page:

Additionally, if a series is very close to lightspeed or exceeds it in several other calcs and scenarios (such as what is seen in DBZ), there is less of a burden of proof to show that the laser is a true laser."''

In game lore consider them lasers you guys only look at game mechanics by this logic in orcarina when Ganondorf misses a lightning ball attack powered by the Triforce of Power shouldn't the castle or hell the planet blow up? Yes it should they don't do it why? Because game mechanics.


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"In creating a huge world, I went back to the first Zelda title. And I wanted to see an enemy like Octorok. Octorok to me when I was playing felt really large. That's why the first enemy I created for the game was the Guardian. But then just creating a large octopus is kind of gross, so we decided to take the more sci-fi, technology route, and that's where the visual for the Guardian comes from. And that decision leads into the storyline, and influenced many other elements we added to the game." — Matt Peckham
Proof that guardians are made to be more technological than magical and if you still don't believe it.

Descriptio The Sheikah of ancient Hyrule developed this as a weapon to combat Ganon. Its six legs give it extraordinary mobility compared to most current vehicles, and its powerful laser provides far greater offensive capability than conventional weaponry. Destroying the legs severely reduces its mobility. Common Locations Hyrule Field

From the Hyrule compendium itself that thing works the exact same way as Fi it gives you pure information on anything around Hyrule.
 
Going by what Medeus posted earlier, we should probably close this thread.
 
I disagree I just posted a lot of information and statements that says that guardians and master sword can be light beams I would like to wait several inputs on it
 
The difference between beam swords and Light Arrows is that the Light Arrows have multiple statements such as it literally being stated to be "Pure Light". And that it fires in a strait line and is continuous and showing that it's not effected by gravity. Light Arrows have also been shown to replace sunlight by activating switches that are stated can only be lit up by sunlight. And they bounce off mirrors of various varieties, not just the Mirror Shield.

Sword Beams don't always travel in a strair line and have also been shown to just stop after traveling some time. Not like light that just travels indefinitely until it hits something. They also make this curling waves in some games, we don't accept Metroid Space Pirate beams as being real light due to the projectiles being wavy lines despite the existence of Massively FTL+ beams throughout said verse.

Beamos beams are also stated to be actual lasers and continuous beams, and they also bounce off mirrors just like real light. Guardians, while somewhat based on Beamos', don't have scientific properties of being real light. I believe it was two of our former staff that addressed it in detail. Although it is machine generated, light still doesn't explode among other things. They do behave more like Ki blasts then they do laser pointers. There are also plenty of "particle beam rifles" in fiction that are no where near light speed either.

So yes, while stats won't change too much either way, Sword Beams and Guardian lasers simply haven't demonstrated properties of light while Light Arrows and Beamos Beams have.
 
Thank you for the evaluation Medeus. I think that we should close this thread then.
 
This issue seems to be rather clear-cut to me, and to just go on to be a time-waster otherwise.
 
Yeah, it's mainly stuff repeated. And most basically agree that it's not enough to be considered real light. And it doesn't appear to be worth long comments for something that wouldn't change much even if it was real light. I might be a good idea to close the thread.
 
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