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Let's see if Cal was right: -mon vs Yhwach
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My point is that the Almighty's supposed abilities, which all come from Yhwach's own mouth, can't really be trusted as they are repeatedly contradicted throughout the last battle because Kubo couldn't be bothered to be internally consistent.
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Matthew Schroeder said:
Yes because it's PIS. Without it Yhwach wouldn't have been beaten, and he had his powers negated. Also I hope you know know Yhwach was still doing shit as a corpse, they had to restrain him and seal him away till all his Reiatsu left.
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Matthew Schroeder said:
Matthew. I really hate to say it but you've already proven yourself not to be reliable when it comes to Bleach. They can indeed be trusted, he did everything he was saying he would. And Kubo had to rush Bleach due to his health issues amongst other things.
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I mean, sure, but then why are we even debating. Throughout the ending of Bleach Yhwach's Almighty is consistently hit with contradictions regarding what Yhwach said it can do.Knightofannihilation666 said:
And yes, I know he still lingered as a corpse for a while.
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Again, Kubo was rushed. Previously the Almighty was consistent and was consistent till the very end. Whenever Yhwach got hit by an arrow meant to nullify his powers. It's cut and clear.
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Can they really? Also why should stuff like "Author had to rush" and "Make protagonist win" matter? Real Life shouldn't matter to what happens on-panel. We are going with what's shown.Knightofannihilation666 said:
But in regards to Kubo... It would be nice if Kubo hadn't told us that the Almighty could resurrect Yhwach after dying (Oh, doesn't matter, he died)
Or negate Power Nullification (Oh, turns out there's an arrow he can't nullify)
Or see through enemy powers (Oh, he's being hit with KS, guess that doesn't matter)
Or nullify enemy powers (Oh, he's being hit with KS, guess that doesn't matter x2 combo)
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I got a thread for this btw. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1732961
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Matthew literally everything you're arguing can be explained rather easily.
1: To end the series, it's blatant PIS. For Yhwach to resurrect he needs the Almighty, which Uryuu negated with an arrow that was specially made to **** Yhwach up.
2: Read above
3: He got hit by KS before using the Almighty.
4: read above.
1: To end the series, it's blatant PIS. For Yhwach to resurrect he needs the Almighty, which Uryuu negated with an arrow that was specially made to **** Yhwach up.
2: Read above
3: He got hit by KS before using the Almighty.
4: read above.
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What's the current argument for Timemon.
Im gonna be as serene and peaceful as i can since from the looks of it,this thread is at its breaking point.
Im gonna be as serene and peaceful as i can since from the looks of it,this thread is at its breaking point.
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Are you familiar with Michael Wong's two methods of VsDebating analysis?
Method One regards treating it as a Work of Fiction, so things like Authorial Intent, Editorial Interference, Schedules, Narrative Necessities get brought into discussion. This is the method which makes threads debates about "PIS, Author was sick and had to finish the series", etc.
Method Two treats the series as its own real world, and looks at the events displayed in the work as an objective depiction of the events therein. Authorial Intent and Real Life circumstances don't matter because they don't exist for the purpose of this debate.
Method One leads to interpreting the Almighty failing like crazy as Kubo's bad writing in the ending.
Method Two leads to interpreting the Almighty not working as it simply not being as powerful as Yhwach claimed it was.
Method Two is, if you notice, the Method upon which both VsBattlesWiki and OutskirtsBattledome are built upon, and the method that leads to debating focused on feats, quantifications through calculations, and the idea of the Non-Limits Fallacy.
Method One regards treating it as a Work of Fiction, so things like Authorial Intent, Editorial Interference, Schedules, Narrative Necessities get brought into discussion. This is the method which makes threads debates about "PIS, Author was sick and had to finish the series", etc.
Method Two treats the series as its own real world, and looks at the events displayed in the work as an objective depiction of the events therein. Authorial Intent and Real Life circumstances don't matter because they don't exist for the purpose of this debate.
Method One leads to interpreting the Almighty failing like crazy as Kubo's bad writing in the ending.
Method Two leads to interpreting the Almighty not working as it simply not being as powerful as Yhwach claimed it was.
Method Two is, if you notice, the Method upon which both VsBattlesWiki and OutskirtsBattledome are built upon, and the method that leads to debating focused on feats, quantifications through calculations, and the idea of the Non-Limits Fallacy.
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Thought based Time Stop + A punch that grants him complete control over Yhwach's flow of time + The ability to read memories.
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Go hereDragonmasterxyz said:
@Yomi Ma'm, I don't think you saw Beast vs Fiamma
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http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Analysis.html
You can read a more detailed explanation here.
You can read a more detailed explanation here.
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At best, it would be Inconclusive.
Either Timemon za warudo or Yhwach gives it Ichigo's treatment.
Either Timemon za warudo or Yhwach gives it Ichigo's treatment.
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Matthew. Literally everything you've been arguing about Yhwach has been explained in the Manga. It's extremely simple to understand so I'm not sure why you refuse to accept anything.
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Does Yhwach start with the almighty?Dragonmasterxyz said:
Cause Yhwach was able to instantly nullify an existence erasing mouseoleum just by having the almighty active and not really doing anything special except just looking at ichibei's general direction.
The reading memories thing is stalemated with yhwach being able to know all details upon anything he looks at.
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They are about fictional analysis as a whole. And this is the website which invented VsDebating through feats and calculations.
The fact of the matter is. Either you analyze Bleach through a literary analysis, in which case VsDebating through feats is meaningless, or you analyze Bleach as its own world, in which case VsDebating through feats is absolutely meaningful.
You can't argue that Yhwach wins through feats and then respond to every counter-claim to said feats with "Kubo was sick in real life and had to rush the ending". Like it or not, that is the canonical resolution to the Yhwach conflict within the Bleach world.
The fact of the matter is. Either you analyze Bleach through a literary analysis, in which case VsDebating through feats is meaningless, or you analyze Bleach as its own world, in which case VsDebating through feats is absolutely meaningful.
You can't argue that Yhwach wins through feats and then respond to every counter-claim to said feats with "Kubo was sick in real life and had to rush the ending". Like it or not, that is the canonical resolution to the Yhwach conflict within the Bleach world.
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Just because you never heard of Stardestroyer.net or Michael Wong doesn't mean it's irrelevant. That just shows how new you are.
Legit VSBW is based on OBD which is based on Stardestroyer.net.
In fact, most every Star Wars debate still heavily relies on his calculations made in 1998 to this day.
Legit VSBW is based on OBD which is based on Stardestroyer.net.
In fact, most every Star Wars debate still heavily relies on his calculations made in 1998 to this day.
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>Point
>Your head
It's not. His methods apply to any work of fiction including Bleach. I'm pointing out that debating Bleach with arguments related to Plot-Induced Stupidity, Authorial Intent, Editorial Interferences, Shounen Jump schedules and what not is anathema to what the rest of this website follows.
>Your head
It's not. His methods apply to any work of fiction including Bleach. I'm pointing out that debating Bleach with arguments related to Plot-Induced Stupidity, Authorial Intent, Editorial Interferences, Shounen Jump schedules and what not is anathema to what the rest of this website follows.
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I've literally explained everything to you. The Kubo thing was just for further evidence but if you don't wanna accept it fine. But everything else has been explained in the Manga
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Closing this as this fight has hit a screeching halt.
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