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This thread will basically upscale some characters of the verse as well as adding some abilities some characters.
1. MK Upgrade
So hum MK's profile wasn't update since Season 2 of LMK and he has feats that would scale him to Sun Wukong and Azure Lion
Here's a reworked version of his profile with the new feats:
vsbattles.fandom.com
2. New Immortality type and resistances for Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong removed his name from the book of death (A bit like in JTTW), a book controlled by the Underworld which is LMK's version of an afterlife (Hell). That should grant him Immortality Type 5 as well as resistances to Life Manipulation and Death Manipulation
3. New Samadhi Fire scaling explanation
This part is already included inside MK's new profile rework, but I feel like Samadhi Fire's scaling should be expanded since it scales to the Jade Emperor, a being who's power was stabilizing the Celestial Realm, the Mortal Realm, the Underworld and Li Jing's prison Realm (This part would affect Macaque, MK, Sun Wukong and Ne Zha's profiles)
"But hold on, why do we consider affecting those structures a Tier 2 feat?"
Mortal Realm: We know that the Mortal Realm is a full blown Universe, something that's made evident when Mei was talking about what would happen if she blew up in her Samadhi Fire form
Underworld: When discussing about the negetive impacts of the Jade Emperor's death, The Underworld was referred as a Universe. Its also evidently seperated from the Mortal Realm, as there's no other way than magical teleportation to access the Realm
Celestial Realm: The Celestial Realm is already potrayed as a seperate dimension from the Mortal Realm, as Red Son implied to MK and his team that they needed to use Interdimensional Travel to access it. Additionally, when Sun Wukong destroyed a spell and provoking a gigantic exploding, we can see that the Celestial Realm actually extends to a whole space full of planets and stars, with a planet Earth and a solar system similar to the Mortal Realm, implying that it the Celestial Realm would be some kind of alternate reality. We also see that physics between the 2 Realms work differently, and that the Celestial Realm might actually be larger in size compared to the Mortal Realm, as shown where a normal size dumpling from the Celestial Realm became a gigantic dumpling when it fell down into the Mortal Realm
Li Jing's Prison Realm: Li Jing's prison Realm should be considered a Universe, as it was stated to be Infinite in size by Tang, a trusted source of info from the verse.
So we can conclude this would place the verse at 4 Universes into 2-C at least. But that's not it.
4. Possible 2-B/Higher into 2-C upgrade?
The Samadhi Fire being able to destroy everything would also include the Scroll of Memories used by Azure Lion, who force its prisonners to relive the worst parts of their past lives again forever, in the form of reality warped fake versions of the Multiverse. This is shown when MK and Macaque enters Wukong's memory scroll, going throught a fake version of the Mortal Realm and the Celestial Realm. By the end of S4, Azure Lion fought the entire Celestial Army and ended up absorbing most of soldiers, creating dozens, if not hundreds of fake Multiverse versions. He also seem to hold thousands of these scrolls, which would either put him at 2-B (Due to him scaling to Wukong who scale to the Fire who scale to them) or to Hundreads of Universes into 2-C (If you don't consider that there was thousands of scrolls)
5. MK possible Infinite Attack Speed in Monkey Form?
Monkey Form MK was able to fully escape Li Jing's Prison Realm by pulling a blast that destroyed the whole Prison Realm, which as said earlier was stated to be Infinite
6. Using Journey to the West for feats/unclear stuff in LMK?
Lastly, Im wondering if we should be allowed to use JTTW for some aspects of the show, like the relation with the Realms and stuff, since LMK is inspired and based on a lot of aspects of JTTW
Agree: @Sdjlakjh @RanHover60 (Agree with everything except Point 4 and 6) @DarkDragonMedeus (Agree with everything except Point 6 and agree with Hundreds into 2-C scaling) @Arency @Napoleondevious
Disagree:
Neutral/idk/I can't scale:
1. MK Upgrade
So hum MK's profile wasn't update since Season 2 of LMK and he has feats that would scale him to Sun Wukong and Azure Lion
Here's a reworked version of his profile with the new feats:
MK Profile Fixing
vsbattles.fandom.com
2. New Immortality type and resistances for Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong removed his name from the book of death (A bit like in JTTW), a book controlled by the Underworld which is LMK's version of an afterlife (Hell). That should grant him Immortality Type 5 as well as resistances to Life Manipulation and Death Manipulation
3. New Samadhi Fire scaling explanation
This part is already included inside MK's new profile rework, but I feel like Samadhi Fire's scaling should be expanded since it scales to the Jade Emperor, a being who's power was stabilizing the Celestial Realm, the Mortal Realm, the Underworld and Li Jing's prison Realm (This part would affect Macaque, MK, Sun Wukong and Ne Zha's profiles)
"But hold on, why do we consider affecting those structures a Tier 2 feat?"
Mortal Realm: We know that the Mortal Realm is a full blown Universe, something that's made evident when Mei was talking about what would happen if she blew up in her Samadhi Fire form
Underworld: When discussing about the negetive impacts of the Jade Emperor's death, The Underworld was referred as a Universe. Its also evidently seperated from the Mortal Realm, as there's no other way than magical teleportation to access the Realm
Celestial Realm: The Celestial Realm is already potrayed as a seperate dimension from the Mortal Realm, as Red Son implied to MK and his team that they needed to use Interdimensional Travel to access it. Additionally, when Sun Wukong destroyed a spell and provoking a gigantic exploding, we can see that the Celestial Realm actually extends to a whole space full of planets and stars, with a planet Earth and a solar system similar to the Mortal Realm, implying that it the Celestial Realm would be some kind of alternate reality. We also see that physics between the 2 Realms work differently, and that the Celestial Realm might actually be larger in size compared to the Mortal Realm, as shown where a normal size dumpling from the Celestial Realm became a gigantic dumpling when it fell down into the Mortal Realm
Li Jing's Prison Realm: Li Jing's prison Realm should be considered a Universe, as it was stated to be Infinite in size by Tang, a trusted source of info from the verse.
So we can conclude this would place the verse at 4 Universes into 2-C at least. But that's not it.
4. Possible 2-B/Higher into 2-C upgrade?
The Samadhi Fire being able to destroy everything would also include the Scroll of Memories used by Azure Lion, who force its prisonners to relive the worst parts of their past lives again forever, in the form of reality warped fake versions of the Multiverse. This is shown when MK and Macaque enters Wukong's memory scroll, going throught a fake version of the Mortal Realm and the Celestial Realm. By the end of S4, Azure Lion fought the entire Celestial Army and ended up absorbing most of soldiers, creating dozens, if not hundreds of fake Multiverse versions. He also seem to hold thousands of these scrolls, which would either put him at 2-B (Due to him scaling to Wukong who scale to the Fire who scale to them) or to Hundreads of Universes into 2-C (If you don't consider that there was thousands of scrolls)
5. MK possible Infinite Attack Speed in Monkey Form?
Monkey Form MK was able to fully escape Li Jing's Prison Realm by pulling a blast that destroyed the whole Prison Realm, which as said earlier was stated to be Infinite
6. Using Journey to the West for feats/unclear stuff in LMK?
Lastly, Im wondering if we should be allowed to use JTTW for some aspects of the show, like the relation with the Realms and stuff, since LMK is inspired and based on a lot of aspects of JTTW
Agree: @Sdjlakjh @RanHover60 (Agree with everything except Point 4 and 6) @DarkDragonMedeus (Agree with everything except Point 6 and agree with Hundreds into 2-C scaling) @Arency @Napoleondevious
Disagree:
Neutral/idk/
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