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Legendary Pokemon Revision

Ignoring Mega Latios, Latias & Rayquaza's feat would be like ignoring Darkrai temporarily stunning Dialga and Palkia.

I'm pretty sure that at one point, the double psychic boosted twister No-Selled both Roar of Time and Spacial Rend, one after the other.

  • cue 2-A Mega Latios, Latias & Rayquaza joining 2-A Darkrai*
Also, could possibly Hoopa & Shaymin be boosted to around the Creation Trio's level? Hoopa's anger managed to take control of 6 legendaries simultaneously, so Hoopa might scale, and Shaymin recovered Girentina to full health even though it was near dead.
 
In the Pokepark games (yes, the Pokepark games), Darkrai was going to fuse different universes together.
 
Ghostly Owns said:
What feats does Darkrai have outside of the movie? The mystery dungeon thing?
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And manga stuff i believe. As well as Pokepark stuff I believe.

"Ignoring Mega Latios, Latias & Rayquaza's feat would be like ignoring Darkrai temporarily stunning Dialga and Palkia."

We do ignore that to an extent

"cue 2-A Mega Latios, Latias & Rayquaza joining 2-A Darkrai"

Yeah no. Arceus who curbstomped All 3 creation trio members is only at the higher levels of 2-B. The Pokemon Multiverse has yet to be proven infinite as of now. However, it may be in the future.

"Also, could possibly Hoopa & Shaymin be boosted to around the Creation Trio's level? Hoopa's anger managed to take control of 6 legendaries simultaneously, so Hoopa might scale, and Shaymin recovered Girentina to full health even though it was near dead."

Hoopa is Low 2-C via Hax. And Healing does not translate to AP.
 
Ghostly Owns said:
Oh, ok. Still hoping that the 3 mega's become 2-C's for being able to Nosell Roar of Time and Spacial Rend.
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Nope, that isn't very consistent as it is with Darkrai. And is frankly an outlier/PIS.
 
Looks like the megas stay where they are.

Well, I had to try, didn't I? =P

Also, is there some way for me to easily see the Pokemon by Tier lists? I'm wondering if there are any other tier 2ish pokemon outside of Arceus, his 6 creations and hoopa.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
XD

What did you have to say about Pseudo's? Now I'm curious.
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No. You don't get what I have to say about Pseudos. I figured out what to say to get them all to scale to one another, but nope.
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JK. Look for the next post in all seriousness.
 
Well, I dont support the "Legendary" > "Non legendary" by default because some of them are only remarkable for their extreme rarity (raikou, entei and suicune are, literally, one of). We have seen many regis trios (battle frontier, movie) and many bird trios (right now I have articuno on top of my head) in different ocassions, latios, even darkrai some of which were or were not defeated by normal pokemon. "But trainers owning them is outlier" well, that isnt correct either, as only the Gen duos have been seen as completely superior to other pokes. The same way there are stronger (film bird trio was on par with lugia) legendary incarnations, there are weaker (charizard could match entei). And we dont have specific lore that puts them above normal pokemon (they didnt create continets, neither are concepts)... so... Yeah, I dont agree.
 
Well that's one disagreement with a bunch of agreements. Even our head of Pokemon agrees with this.
 
The legendary beasts are, literally, one of, only extremely valuable pokemon (Was suicune the mirage pokemon?).

Eon duo: never portrayed as superior to any pokemon or as deity, only extremely rare or guardians of that city in the film (even in that film, they were beaten by an ariados iirc) and in the tournament a latios was defeated also.

Celebi: didnt watch the film tbh.

You cannot scale them to others only because they are difficult to get (see what I said about the Eon duo, which only furthers the rarity), because some of them are clearly a species (there are several celebies). They arent legendaries for their power, celebi, for instance, is for its time travel and "guardian of the forest" title.
 
Celebi's not a species. That was acausality kicking in if you're talking about how multiple Celebi's came to revive one of them.
 
Well, okay on that (tho in PMD there are two celebies, one shiny and one normal), but there are various Eon Duo and from other legendaries in contrast with the "True deities", which are the Region duos (however, I recall an episode with a baby lugia).
 
didnt watch that, so If that is true, well, no problem for celebi.

The eon duo has any notable feat to put them above EVERY normal mon? Pokemon should be scaled case by case, not via generalizations.
 
Actually yes. Considering the Hoopa movie and Heroes movie. Latios and Latias are worthy of the title legendary. Also the times they were defeated are nothing but PIS.
 
Why are they PIS? Didnt watch the hoopa movie, but in the heroes they dont seem all powerful and in the anime neither. Do they have a pokedex entry that justifies their power level lorewise? Here Im not debating if they are or not legendaries, but if they should be scaled. Dont remember them in the manga doing anything notable.

Well, im not trying to oppose everyone, is just that:

"it is better to strictly go by each Pokemon's individual feats and restricting power-scaling to certain species that are frequently shown to match or exceed the power level displayed by another character within the same story." Latios and latias have anything to justify this?
 
Taking attacks from the primals (unlesd they were mega evolved, in which case yeah, sounds wonderful to me) would be a massive outlier for them imo, just because that would put them above regular groudon and Kyo, and that would... idk, why didnt they fight them directly and had to use the regis trio in the first place (maybe PIS, dunno).

Mega ray > Primals > Rayquaza > base groudon and Kyo.
 
Just Realized

Shouldnt Yveltal and Xerneas have Soul Manipulation? Since they govern their concepts of Life/Death it wouldnt be strange for them to be able to control souls

And IIRC, they are the representaions of Life/Death, so they should be abstract beings like Dialga and Palkia only on a much lesser scale, right?
 
hmmm I dunno. They are the Aspects of Life and Death in the Pokemon Universe. But I'll wait on more input.
 
@Kukui Usually don't we seperate life and death manipulation from soul manipulation?

Not sure about the abstracts thing, do you know where they're stated to be the representation of life/death? I thought they were just considered gods of life and death because of their abilities to absorb and give life. Also, unlike Dialga and Palkia, iirc they aren't already known to have superior abstract forms to their sealed bodies, so it would be much more speculative.
 
@Kukui

I'm pretty sure those abilities just fall under Life Manipulation and Death Manipulation.

I'm also fairly sure that the Mortality Duo are just titled the "Life Pokemon" and "Death Pokemon" due to their abilities, nothing about representing life and death or something.
 
I remembered something about how it was stated in the movie that Yveltal was "The embodiment of Destruction" but it could just be hyperbole.

Tho if not that, I also believe Xerneas and Yveltal should have Telepathy listed for them. Xerneas could speak telepathically to Diancie and was able to do so with Yveltal in order to calm it down.
 
TBH a lot of Legendaries are missing some abilities from their natural moveset. Heck Xerneas didn't even have Life Manipulation on her profile....
 
@Dragon

To be fair, Life Manipulation wasn't a page until just now.

Also, calling Xerneas "her". Really m8?
 
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