Lavos vs. Lucemon

[FateAlbane]

Leave it to Dragon to make justice to my fave Digimon.

Anyways, when everything is said and done, I'll have to agree with all the reasonings so far and say that it's borderline impossible for me to talk about any winners here. I'll vote Inconclusive like Dragon did and please god no, I can't even begin to imagine how much plot and macguffins would it take to deal with that combination.

 

[ZeedMillenniummon89]

Change my vote to inconclusive as per Dragon, I guess

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Wait. Can he do this acasual timeline stuff if he's sealed away?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

TL;DR: Easily

Can Lucemon?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

What does TL;DR mean?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Too long didn't read.

 

[FateAlbane]

Lavos is no stranger to sealing since from Base his energy - or anything powered by it - could seal things in time and space and it was only things powered by his energy that could break said seals as well (many of the best equipments in game are gotten by unlocking the seals in chests, doors and a pyramid of light by using the pendant powered by the Mammon Machine which in turn is powered by Lavos).

Though this isn't a conclusive argument as it's most likely not a seal comparable to Lucey's scale if he has sealed 2-A beings on TD's level.

The argument that matters is that Acausality makes each Lavos independent of one another, if one gets sealed, another just gets summoned from a different timeline to resume fighting.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So can Lucemon what?

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, probably, but it would receive the same treatment as Reinhard's type 8 (restricted because it's way too BS)

Otherwise you'd have to beat Low 1-C Lucemon no matter the version

 

[FateAlbane]

@Dragon I got Ninja'd by you and Cal while typing the reply above actually, I'm not arguing against Lucey nor changing my vote.

Just explaining why the sealing most likely wouldn't settle this.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well then Inconclusive is the only option here. So my vote stays.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Wait, can he come back if Lucemon destroys All Worlds?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Has Mid Godly regen so...yes.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

That regen. I'm speaking of timeline shenanigans. Plus can he really comeback if all of reality is erased?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Given that he's literally nothingness, you're likely just making him stronger. If anything, it's a detriment to Lucemon as he's taking out all the other versions of himself that act as a failsafe.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Good thing Lucemon never does that...So noted, destroying all of reality will not help. Meaning Yggdrasil vs Lavos failsafe does not exist.

So still inconclusive.

Also does Lavosmon have Malice?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Lavos is a nihilist. He's not doing anything out of malice as much as he's doing it out of cynicism/necessity.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So malice....It is still a want for destruction. And with that, I have proven Ogudomon vs Lavos can never happen as Lavosmon's attacks wouldn't hurt him. Yay!!!!

Also I like how we have yet to bring up that Lucemon is still considered in Falldown Mode...We haven't discussed Satan Mode yet where he can take Lavosmon's powers.

 

[FateAlbane]

Last time Lavos took someone's power he skyrocketed to 2-A. If you want to play like that I'll bring the Absorption point. ovo

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

malice

mal┬Àice

╦êmaləs/

noun

the intention or desire to do evil; ill will.

"I bear no malice toward anybody"

synonyms: spite, malevolence, ill will, vindictiveness, vengefulness, revenge, malignity, evil intentions, animus, enmity, rancor; More

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Fate Both can absorb each other.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Wouldn't Lavos be seen as evil and malevolent?

 

[FateAlbane]

Which most likely leaves us where we started all over again. ovo

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Don't really think you can take nothing.

If this were BASE Lavos, there'd be a thing there.

Can Lucey Goosey come back from being BFR's to nothingness, in all seriousness? Even Lavos couldn't come back (in base. He's have to become the DD in order to get out, so then he could do more Lavos schenanigans)

 

[FateAlbane]

I love how this thread isn't about how they can kill each other and more like "Can either of them even die/get the jump on the other on a conclusive manner?" due to how ridiculously stupid their respective powersets are.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I mean we are talking about a Digimon whose whole plan was to wipe out everything and recreate it. And even then, that's one Lucemon.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Wouldn't Lavos be seen as evil and malevolent?

By an outside source, like someone he was eating, yes. By a neutral judge, like say, Anubismon, no.

It's like calling a tiger evil for eating a deer. Just replace deer with infinite multiverse and tiger with a dragon's head on a giant meatball ovo

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Ah, the legendary Infinite Multiverse Deer. What a majestic creature.

 

[FateAlbane]

Actually Cal is accurate on that. Lavos' can only be seen as evil from everyone's perspective because he legit eats us all. Lavos himself speaks through the dragon god and goes as far as questioning why we must all do that to survive (hence the later quote of his profile). It's the only time we get a talk from him in the entire series.

I'll give the scans.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

You don't need scans. I believe you. At this point I being an ass. ovo

Plus this is Lavos vs Lucemon not Lavos vs Ogudomon.

 

[FateAlbane]

@Dragon I know, just posting it anyways in case someone brings this in a future thread. It's part of my "redirecting strategy" so I know where to look when I need evidence. ovo
EDIT: Also was that a space duck reference?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

You know that since we're having this debate so eloquently, it says a lot about Serge and what he can do to characters on his tier. Lemme just tell you the argument for him. The argument that will shut up anyone debating for his opponent. It's five words:

He killed Lavos. For good.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

How did he kill him? Was is PIS? Or was it an ability? As how he killed him can harm Lavos here. Plus, he doesn't have the same survivablity of Lavos soooo.

 

[FateAlbane]

It was a Magcuffin that erased Lavos from Non-Existence then proceeded to reality warp all the endless timelines merging them into the "Ideal" one, ending any chance of the thing coming back.

In one go, with the Chrono Cross. gg

Also the Chrono Cross had Schala and Lavos' power so that kinda works.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

How? Through a macguffin so macguffin-y that it's literally the title of the game.

Fate can say it better.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Also, you can't forget that it only worked even then because Lavos was defused with Schala.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So he erased him from non-existence and just crunched everything into one timeline.

Meaning the process of Non-Existence Erasure + Fusing all timelines into one = Dead Lavos

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

+ Removing Schala from Lavos

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Meaning Serge isn't that special. He has one nice move. But no defenses.....

Also nothing we've done has made this less inconclusive...So we've argued over nothing here.....We've gone back to square freaking one.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Wait...Doesn't his reasoning state he merged them into a Higher Dimensional Plane? I thought he only merged them into one timeline. You have conflicting reasoning.