Kurapika(the Clan Avenger) vs maki(The Clan Slayer)

[Politebunny7]

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Maki Zenin

Maki Zenin (禪ぜん院いん 真ま希き, Zen'in Maki?) is a major supporting character in Jujutsu Kaisen and one of the main protagonists of the prequel series, Jujutsu Kaisen 0. She is currently a second-year at Tokyo Jujutsu High. Originally from the Zenin Clan, Maki left on her own due to being rejected for...

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Kurapika

Kurapika (クラピカ, Kurapika) is one of the four main protagonists in the series Hunter × Hunter and is the last survivor of the Kurta Clan. He seeks vengeance for his bloody past, and his eyes glow a beautiful and coveted scarlet when experiencing intense emotion. He is a Blacklist Hunter and the...

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Speed equal take place in heaven arena

 

[LeBronslegacy]

What can Maki really do if Kurapika just uses Ren on her. She doesn’t seem to resist anything it does.

 

[Arkenis]

What can Maki really do if Kurapika just uses Ren on her. She doesn’t seem to resist anything it does.

Doesn't require any resistance, Kurapika's Ren isn't some busted fear hax or para. Maki's actively fighting around and against curses and Sukuna with fear and para auras, Kurapika's Ren is gonna be useless here.

I'm a bit either way on it, probably won't argue much though.

I see Maki winning given her better senses and SSK being a one shot. She's not the better fighter but honestly if she closes the distance which she can very quickly, it'll be hard to not get hit by SSK.

If Kurapika goes into it ready to use his chains, then they should be imperceptible to Maki with it or at least harder to sense especially with him conjuring them when he wants and he should be able to wrap them around her and at that point he's got her. Additionally in SE he'd activate En realizing he can't sense Maki normally and that should give him a better chance at catching her.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

What are the chains even going to do to Maki? There is nothing to null

 

[Arkenis]

What are the chains even going to do to Maki? There is nothing to null

Still can set rules no?

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Still can set rules no?

Oh yeah, I guess. I don't think he'll be able to get her with that, though. Maki should be able to see/sense the chains.

 

[Politebunny7]

Oh yeah, I guess. I don't think he'll be able to get her with that, though. Maki should be able to see/sense the chains.

Even bcharacters who specialize seeing things that can come across transparent/ invisible was tricked/ couldn’t fully see kurapika chains

 

[Foriaa]

Judgment Chain might be too much for Maki, not sure how she would get passed it if he set some weird ahh rule.

 

[Politebunny7]

Judgment Chain might be too much for Maki, not sure how she would get passed it if he set some weird ahh rule.

You think he’ll be able to pierce her heart to do that?

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Even bcharacters who specialize seeing things that can come across transparent/ invisible was tricked/ couldn’t fully see kurapika chains

Maki can see (and sense) things Gojo, the guy with the six eyes, and other jujutsu sorcerers can't see

 

[Politebunny7]

Maki can see (and sense) things Gojo, the guy with the six eyes, and other jujutsu sorcerers can't see

Well it’s true curse energy usually make you see invisible things normal people can’t see, however when have maki or gojo saw something that with an additional invisibility or stealthiness like hxh , I know they usually see very small details in things but not exactly like kurapika or other nen users who stealth themselves with their ability/ or completely make transparent

 

[JnSteHar002]

It could go either way for me. But, if I'm allowed to count the difference in gravity since the fight takes place in Heavens Arena, then I'd lean towards Kurapika.

 

[Foriaa]

You think he’ll be able to pierce her heart to do that?

Yea, they have similar ap/dura.

 

[Politebunny7]

It could go either way for me. But, if I'm allowed to count the difference in gravity since the fight takes place in Heavens Arena, then I'd lean towards Kurapika.

Why exactly? I don’t believe Kurapika ever went here but I could change it, if it gives an unfair advantage.

 

[JnSteHar002]

Why exactly? I don’t believe Kurapika ever went here but I could change it, if it gives an unfair advantage.

Yeah, I guess I should've been more clear. Sorry.

I meant the literal gravity of that location. Since HXH's world is SO MUCH larger, they'd have a much higher level of gravity that I doubt Maki can adjust to; she'd be fighting in an area where everything is like 10x heavier. In a opposite location though, it'd be Kurapika being faster, probably stronger and tougher etc. But, that's if those parameters are counted in this fight.

Otherwise, I see it as 50/50. In my opinion, Maki is has better combat capabilities, senses and the SSK while Kurapika has all his hax chains and is overall smarter.

 

[Politebunny7]

Yeah, I guess I should've been more clear. Sorry.

I meant the literal gravity of that location. Since HXH's world is SO MUCH larger, they'd have a much higher level of gravity that I doubt Maki can adjust to; she'd be fighting in an area where everything is like 10x heavier. In a opposite location though, it'd be Kurapika being faster, probably stronger and tougher etc. But, that's if those parameters are counted in this fight.

Otherwise, I see it as 50/50. In my opinion, Maki is has better combat capabilities, senses and the SSK while Kurapika has all his hax chains and is overall smarter.

I don’t think it works like that, unless shown otherwise or said, we shouldn’t assume the gravity is different it’s still fictional after all.

 

[JnSteHar002]

I don’t think it works like that, unless shown otherwise or said, we shouldn’t assume the gravity is different it’s still fictional after all.

Fair then. I think I'm still deadlocked b/w them.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Well it’s true curse energy usually make you see invisible things normal people can’t see, however when have maki or gojo saw something that with an additional invisibility or stealthiness like hxh , I know they usually see very small details in things but not exactly like kurapika or other nen users who stealth themselves with their ability/ or completely make transparent

Gojo can see Dismantle which is an attack made of Cursed Energy that is invisible to even Jujutsu Sorcerers. Only people in the series who can see/react to it are Gojo, Mahoraga (After adapting to it), and Maki IIRC. Yuji, Sukuna, and Gojo can see the Soul which is invisible to Sorcerers.

Tho imo, Maki doesn't really need to see the Chains. Her precog works through perceiving the disturbances in the atmosphere as things move through it. So if the chains travel through air, she will be able to precog it even if unable to see it.

 

[Arkenis]

Tho imo, Maki doesn't really need to see the Chains. Her precog works through perceiving the disturbances in the atmosphere as things move through it. So if the chains travel through air, she will be able to precog it even if unable to see it.

The chains can't be felt on the body, so them disturbing the air is iffy I'd think.

 

[LaserPrecision]

The chains can't be felt on the body, so them disturbing the air is iffy I'd think.

What's the mechanism by which they can't be felt on the body. Are they intangible, or do the senses just not pick them up? If it's the former, it's possible if you can prove the chains aren't affected by air molecules. If it's the latter, then I don't think it matters.

 

[Arkenis]

What's the mechanism by which they can't be felt on the body. Are they intangible, or do the senses just not pick them up? If it's the former, it's possible if you can prove the chains aren't affected by air molecules. If it's the latter, then I don't think it matters.

I'd say both, their nen senses is already for nen which is intang and invis and Uvogin couldn't sense the chains due to In. The way Kurapika uses his chains should still trick her even if she can sense them.

 

[LaserPrecision]

I'd say both, their nen senses is already for nen which is intang and invis and Uvogin couldn't sense the chains due to In. The way Kurapika uses his chains should still trick her even if she can sense them.

Might sound weird to ask, but is their evidence of the intangibility extending to something as small as air molecules? There are Curses who can become intangible as well that I doubt Maki would struggle to sense. And there are levels/extents of intangibility.

Do you think Maki would be able to see the chains if she could see Dismantle and Souls which are layered invisibility?

 

[Arkenis]

Might sound weird to ask, but is their evidence of the intangibility extending to something as small as air molecules? There are Curses who can become intangible as well that I doubt Maki would struggle to sense. And there are levels/extents of intangibility.

It's diff intang so probably doesn't matter.

Do you think Maki would be able to see the chains if she could see Dismantle and Souls which are layered invisibility?

Different type of invis. Dismantles invis isn't even explained but its just assumed to be another layer of ce invis and Souls invis isn't Nen invis.

 

[LaserPrecision]

It's diff intang so probably doesn't matter.

Well even if they're a different type, the extent the intangibility works at is important. That's why I was hoping you'd know if it had feats suggesting things even as small as air molecules can't interact with it. If so, then yeah, Maki's not going to be able to pick on it visually or via analytical prediction.

 

[Arkenis]

Well even if they're a different type, the extent the intangibility works at is important. That's why I was hoping you'd know if it had feats suggesting things even as small as air molecules can't interact with it. If so, then yeah, Maki's not going to be able to pick on it visually or via analytical prediction.

Yeah I don't think so. I only remember him using it twice.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Yeah I don't think so. I only remember him using it twice.

Alright. Then I guess at the very least, Maki could predict where they are/they're coming from accurately. Not really gonna leave a vote. Just wanted to cover this basis since people above seemed confused.