KNULL DOWNGRADE

[Protector_Hunk]

Now, I will try to debunk the "Knull High 1A" scale, which I saw on vsbw and thought was the most wank.
First of all, what gave Knull a High 1A in this scale was that he was a threat to multi-eternity and defeated the Herald of None Thor.
But unfortunately this is a serious wank
First, I will debunk the Herald of None location. The form that Knull defeated is not "Herald Of None" Thor, because the Thor form called Herald of None is "Cosmic King Thor" taking the power of special planets from Galactus and putting all this energy into "environmental destruction" in Black Winter. It is a form that comes from destroying through. The thing called Herald of None is what appears in blue on this screen and after destroying black winter,it turns into Cosmic King Thor. So, the scale that Knull will get from defeating Cosmic King Thor is definitely not "High 1A" and there is a There is a "half-truth" fallacy situation.
I will easily refute the second scale, the threat to multi-eternity scale:
What kind of a threat to Multi-Eternity, in what sense a threat, according to whom and according to what?
my opinion;
Knull is a threat to multi-eternity because he killed the celestials that keep cosmology alive. If Knull is to be given high 1a from here, I think it should be proven that he is a threat to multi-eternity in the sense of "POWER".
Thank you for listening to me this much Edit: In the profile it will be : High 1-B possibly higher.

Agree :

@Antvasima
@Guacamolefletcher @ProfectusInfinity @Baabasaplar95 @Eseseso @Da3ggman @LazyMortician @PrinceofPein @ObberGobb @Kaandnyy

Disagree :

@Roirr @Floxiaaa @ShionAH @Barbar01 @Xleane

Neutral :

@Yuhady123 @Karllkraft
@Dark-Carioca

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

I get it, makes sense

 

[Protector_Hunk]

I get it, makes sense

Thanks

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

lol for the context of anyone reading, it was typed out entirely in Turkish (?) when I saw it, I didn’t actually evaluate it because I don’t speak Turkish

 

[Excellence616]

Downgrade to what tier?

 

[Protector_Hunk]

Downgrade to what tier?

High 1B,because he Kills celestials

 

[Protector_Hunk]

lol for the context of anyone reading, it was typed out entirely in Turkish (?) when I saw it, I didn’t actually evaluate it because I don’t speak Turkish

Sorry bro İ will change

 

[wwereymy235]

I see

 

[Protector_Hunk]

I get it, makes sense

I change it

 

[Protector_Hunk]

I see

My friend,you agree or disagree?
@wwereymy235

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Bruh it is new tier system marvel is not yet updated to the new tier system standards so thier tier will change. So wait

 

[Protector_Hunk]

Bruh it is new tier system marvel is not yet updated to the new tier system standards so thier tier will change. So wait

No, my friend, even if it were in the new system, Knull should not be given scale based on something wrong.
(Whatever this scale is, it should never be taken away from nonsense like Knull supposedly defeated the Herald of None Thor and is a threat to multi-eternity.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

No, my friend, even if it were in the new system, Knull should not be given scale based on something wrong.
(Whatever this scale is, it should never be taken away from nonsense like Knull supposedly defeated the Herald of None Thor and is a threat to multi-eternity.

Ok

 

[Tomfer]

Like it was said above, every marvel tier 1 is on-hold since Ultima himself wants to update the verse, so this should be on-hold as well. And it's going to take a long while since he needs to update the whole verse to the new system AND he needs to do part 3 revision. It's going to take months, so take a chair and just wait.

 

[Protector_Hunk]

Like it was said above, every marvel tier 1 is on-hold since Ultima himself wants to update the verse, so this should be on-hold as well. And it's going to take a long while since he needs to update the whole verse to the new system AND he needs to do part 3 revision. It's going to take months, so take a chair and just wait.

I understand, but I still opened this CRT to prevent it from giving a scale based on this mistake.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

This CRT isn’t reliant on future context for the cosmology, so it doesn’t need to be closed.

I’ll trying giving thoughts on this later.

 

[Protector_Hunk]

This CRT isn’t reliant on future context for the cosmology, so it doesn’t need to be closed.

I’ll trying giving thoughts on this later.

I think so,this crt is not reliant to marvel cosmology

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Anyways, barring further contention, I'll have to agree for now.

High Outerverse level (Fought and matched Herald of None Thor, being his only rival at that time, and eventually defeated him[12], He is a threat to the 8th Cosmos Multi-Eternity and this is stated multiple times.)

The Multi-Eternity justification... doesn't actually mention Multi-Eternity, it just says Knull's a threat to "all of time and space." I hardly think we'd go as far defaulting such statements to High 1-A and assume they encompass the whole Omniverse, or else the tiers would be massively inflated. "All of reality" or "all of time and space" need hard context/].

As for the Herald of None Thor justification, it's stated on Thor's profile that Cosmic King Thor only reaches High 1-A through certain hax like the God Blast and Power Absorption, otherwise he's firmly High 1-B in terms of physicals. Unless Knull has a reason to scale to Thor's High 1-A hax in pure physicals (e.g. tanking a God Blast on the same scale as the one he used against Black Winter), this should be removed too. Keep in mind that Cosmic King Thor/Herald of None Thor released the power he absorbed from Galactus as a bomb already, so he's not physically amped by it either.

 

[Protector_Hunk]

Anyways, barring further contention, I'll have to agree for now.

The Multi-Eternity justification... doesn't actually mention Multi-Eternity, it just says Knull's a threat to "all of time and space." I hardly think we'd go as far defaulting such statements to High 1-A and assume they encompass the whole Omniverse, or else the tiers would be massively inflated. "All of reality" or "all of time and space" need hard context/].

As for the Herald of None Thor justification, it's stated on Thor's profile that Cosmic King Thor only reaches High 1-A through certain hax like the God Blast and Power Absorption, otherwise he's firmly High 1-B in terms of physicals. Unless Knull has a reason to scale to Thor's High 1-A hax in pure physicals (e.g. tanking a God Blast on the same scale as the one he used against Black Winter), this should be removed too. Keep in mind that Cosmic King Thor/Herald of None Thor released the power he absorbed from Galactus as a bomb already, so he's not physically amped by it either.

Yes, I agree. Herald of None was a power that came to Thor only "ONE" moment.

 

[Roirr]

Now, I will try to debunk the "Knull High 1A" scale, which I saw on vsbw and thought was the most wank.
First of all, what gave Knull a High 1A in this scale was that he was a threat to multi-eternity and defeated the Herald of None Thor.
But unfortunately this is a serious wank
First, I will debunk the Herald of None location. The form that Knull defeated is not "Herald Of None" Thor, because the Thor form called Herald of None is "Cosmic King Thor" taking the power of special planets from Galactus and putting all this energy into "environmental destruction" in Black Winter. It is a form that comes from destroying through. The thing called Herald of None is what appears in blue on this screen and after destroying black winter,it turns into Cosmic King Thor. So, the scale that Knull will get from defeating Cosmic King Thor is definitely not "High 1A" and there is a There is a "half-truth" fallacy situation.
I will easily refute the second scale, the threat to multi-eternity scale:
What kind of a threat to Multi-Eternity, in what sense a threat, according to whom and according to what?
my opinion;
Knull is a threat to multi-eternity because he killed the celestials that keep cosmology alive. If Knull is to be given high 1a from here, I think it should be proven that he is a threat to multi-eternity in the sense of "POWER".
Thank you for listening to me this much
Agree: @Guacamolefletcher @ProfectusInfinity
Disagree:
Neatural:

I don't know how I just noticed this thread now. Anyway

In the Thor 2020 series, it was stated that the power of the herald is immeasurable, which means that the power is at least infinite. Thor's use of this power against black winter does not mean that this power ends with him, because the power in question is a power even above the infinite level.

And thor used the power in question for other characters after the black winter incident, for example knull /Immortal hulk etc. So the power in question has never decreased in thor. thor used it whenever he wanted and to the extent he wanted.

As for Multi Eternity, any person with a basic knowledge of cosmology would understand this.The expression all time and all space represents all space and time, in short, the single universes hierarchy. The single universes hierarchy is the body of multi Eternity.

In addition, marvel sources stated that knull is a threat to the whole creation.

There is no contradiction or any evidence in this thread that would prevent Knull from being a threat that could destroy multi Eternity just like black winter. Knull's existence comes from toba, so the threat it poses cannot be a contradiction.

 

[Roirr]

I think this thread should be closed (I have never seen such a suck downgrade before)

 

[Eseseso]

I never liked the reasoning behind High 1-A for Knull, so I agree.

 

[Roirr]

There is nothing in this thread that refutes anything, there is no evidence

 

[Floxiaaa]

Disagree. I don't see anything here that would require a downgrade.

 

[Baabasaplar95]

Actually thats make sense, I Agree

 

[Roirr]

I don't know how people can accept something that has been debunked.

 

[Protector_Hunk]

I don't know how I just noticed this thread now. Anyway

In the Thor 2020 series, it was stated that the power of the herald is immeasurable, which means that the power is at least infinite. Thor's use of this power against black winter does not mean that this power ends with him, because the power in question is a power even above the infinite level.

And thor used the power in question for other characters after the black winter incident, for example knull /Immortal hulk etc. So the power in question has never decreased in thor. thor used it whenever he wanted and to the extent he wanted.

As for Multi Eternity, any person with a basic knowledge of cosmology would understand this.The expression all time and all space represents all space and time, in short, the single universes hierarchy. The single universes hierarchy is the body of multi Eternity.

In addition, marvel sources stated that knull is a threat to the whole creation.

There is no contradiction or any evidence in this thread that would prevent Knull from being a threat that could destroy multi Eternity just like black winter. Knull's existence comes from toba, so the threat it poses cannot be a contradiction.

1-When we say infinite power, there is no evidence that the energy it receives from Galactus will be infinite, red herring fallacy.
Also, you said you used it in others, but can you prove that it has exactly the same energy?
And I said that destroying the Black Winter is both an instant power and an Environmental Destruction, but you ignore this?

For 2-multi-eternity:
Can you prove that Multi-Eternity is a threat as he can direct damage or kill in a 1v1 fight as Dura/AP?
wasting time fallacy.
You still say that there is a threat to multi eternity, who sees this as a threat?
Does multi-eternity see knull as a threat to itself, does knull see himself as a threat to multi-eternity and in what sense a threat.
If you're going to continue to ignore my arguments, here you go, and you wrote 4 messages on the same CRT (oh wow)

 

[Protector_Hunk]

Disagree. I don't see anything here that would require a downgrade.

that you don't read and are just friends with
"press disagree on this"
Could it be that you came and didn't see anything here because you said that?

 

[Protector_Hunk]

I never liked the reasoning behind High 1-A for Knull, so I agree.

For real

 

[Protector_Hunk]

I think this thread should be closed (I have never seen such a suck downgrade before)

Your infamous knull H1A revision was better, wasn't it?

 

[ShionAH]

Be civil.

Edit: This is Bill situation but with extra evidence, I say it looks fine. Disagree for now.

 

[Roirr]

1-When we say infinite power, there is no evidence that the energy it receives from Galactus will be infinite, red herring fallacy.
Also, you said you used it in others, but can you prove that it has exactly the same energy?
And I said that destroying the Black Winter is both an instant power and an Environmental Destruction, but you ignore this?

For 2-multi-eternity:
Can you prove that Multi-Eternity is a threat as he can direct damage or kill in a 1v1 fight as Dura/AP?
wasting time fallacy.
You still say that there is a threat to multi eternity, who sees this as a threat?
Does multi-eternity see knull as a threat to itself, does knull see himself as a threat to multi-eternity and in what sense a threat.
If you're going to continue to ignore my arguments, here you go, and you wrote 4 messages on the same CRT (oha amk)

You are the one who ignored the arguments, I threw a panel from the thor 2020 series, which states that the power in question is at a level above infinity, immeasurable,

I'm not sure if you know what a threat is, marvel has stated that it is a threat to multi Eternity, this is mentioned in more than one place and I threw the panels of these. This means that knull is a threat that can destroy multi Eternity or destroy it to a high extent, in short, this makes knull at least equal to multi Eternity. Which cannot be a contradiction, I have stated the reason for this, knull's existence comes from a much larger structure than Eternity's. To be honest, you have not presented anything to lower high 1a.

We are not having a debate here, stop talking like a child by adding fallacies and I would appreciate it if you speak English in crt

 

[Roirr]

Your infamous knull H1A revision was better, wasn't it?

I presented concrete proofs in that revision and you can't understand them because you don't have marvel knowledge, and you are the one who opened this revision without any concrete proof, little one.

 

[Protector_Hunk]

You are the one who ignored the arguments, I threw a panel from the thor 2020 series, which states that the power in question is at a level above infinity, immeasurable,

I'm not sure if you know what a threat is, marvel has stated that it is a threat to multi Eternity, this is mentioned in more than one place and I threw the panels of these. This means that knull is a threat that can destroy multi Eternity or destroy it to a high extent, in short, this makes knull at least equal to multi Eternity. Which cannot be a contradiction, I have stated the reason for this, knull's existence comes from a much larger structure than Eternity's. To be honest, you have not presented anything to lower high 1a.

We are not having a debate here, stop talking like a child by adding fallacies and I would appreciate it if you speak English in crt

Can you prove that Thor is implying that the amount of energy involved is infinite?

And no, what you say does not show that there will be a threat to multi-eternity as dura/ap in a 1v1 fight.

Fallacy is something that is already used in vsbw crts, why do you think there is a fallacy page?
So why do you want me not to say that you're wrong?
It's a little weird.

 

[Protector_Hunk]

Be civil.

Edit: This is Bill situation but with extra evidence, I say it looks fine. Disagree for now.

Ok.

 

[Protector_Hunk]

I presented concrete proofs in that revision and you can't understand them because you don't have marvel knowledge, and you are the one who opened this revision without any concrete proof, little one.

It's your opinion.
and the feat/statements in the revision were, with all due respect, bad.

 

[Floxiaaa]

that you don't read and are just friends with
"press disagree on this"
Could it be that you came and didn't see anything here because you said that?

There are people here who will refute your arguments for me. Those who know this better.

 

[Roirr]

you prove that Thor is implying that the amount of energy involved is infinite?

And no, what you say does not show that there will be a threat to multi-eternity as dura/ap in a 1v1 fight.

Fallacy is something that is already used in vsbw crts, why do you think there is a fallacy page?
So why do you want me not to say that you're wrong?
It's a little weird.

Tier doesn't only come from 1v1 fights, man, if you clicked on the link in my first message, you would have already seen Thor's imme proof. here's a guarantee to
see it

 

[Protector_Hunk]

Tier doesn't only come from 1v1 fights, man, if you clicked on the link in my first message, you would have already seen Thor's imme proof. here's a guarantee to
see it

Yes, tier does not necessarily come from 1v1 fights, but where you mentioned, there is no closeness or superiority in terms of Knull's dura/ap, so additional context is needed to get a scale from here.

I have already looked at the visual, I am telling you that in the visual it is only mentioned that it has infinite power, there is nothing about there being infinite amount, never-ending energy.
Moreover, even if it were, it would not give durable and striking strength because it does this with environmental destruction.
So when knull overcomes his dura and defeats him, it doesn't scale because it is with environmental destruction, which is okay since it doesn't even do with environmental destruction, because it is a momentary power.

 

[Protector_Hunk]

There are people here who will refute your arguments for me. Those who know this better.

Ok.