Keys To the Kingdom Upgrade

[Antvasima]

What do you mean specifically? If there are no justifications, the statistics should preferably be left as unknown.

 

[Legion350]

Monday's Dusk is building lvl with no justification. Although he might scale to the sentinels.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Legion350]

Here's what I think the revisions should be: City level Dusk(comparable to the sentinels) with MHS+ Speed. Also, MHS+ Speed for all of the key users.

 

[Legion350]

Bump

 

[Legion350]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

And why do you think that?

 

[Legion350]

Dusk is able to be on the neutron star without protection (just like the sentinels) and the Trustee's made the sentinels.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, although without a calculation, it is hard to quantify that feat.

 

[Legion350]

I have the sentinels Calc here

 

[Antvasima]

Well, in that case it should be okay. Just remember to link to the calculation when you make the statistics change.

 

[Legion350]

I think the Old One should be upgraded

 

[Legion350]

He contains much of the Architect's power.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

It says he's second only to the Architect, so i'm okay with upgrading him too. @GK/

 

[Legion350]

Should he upgraded to 2-A or 2-B? He is half of the Architect and when he fuses with Dame Primus, he because the Architect again.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@God-King

Well, half of infinity is still infinity, so probably 2-A.

 

[Legion350]

This doesn't scale to Dame Primus, as she was defeated by the Trustees, who couldn't even harm the Old One.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

All the Trustee's together couldn't kill Dame Primus - that's six tier 4-B and one tier 4-A trying to kill her - they had to split her into pieces with a surprise attack and imprison each piece. She was never really defeated by them per se, not in a straight fight.

 

[Legion350]

Dame Primus is much stronger than the Trustees, but isn't on the Old One's level.

 

[Legion350]

That's why she's Unknown.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree that half of an infinite number of universes still warrants 2-A in rating for the Old One.

 

[Legion350]

@Ant Do you agree Dame Primus should stay Unknown?

 

[Antvasima]

I do not know. What can we scale her from?

 

[Legion350]

She is part of the Architect but was able to be split by the key users , unlike the Old One who is unable to be harmed by anything in the House, except for the torture devices made by the Architect.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, perhaps Unknown might be best, if we do not know how powerful she is.

 

[Delta3000]

The Will (all 7 pieces together) wielding all 7 keys should be about as powerful as the Old One so just subtract the cumulative power of all the keys to get the Will's power.

 

[Legion350]

If Dame Primus was really comparable to the Old One with the keys, it wouldn't make sense because the keys only have Solar System level feats, unless the keys are Multiverse+ level too. The Will has no quantifyable feats besides being stronger than the key users.

 

[Delta3000]

Arthur survived the multiverse destroying nothing wave when he had all 7 by virtue of being too powerful and he wasn't even the architect at that point, so the keys being multiverse+ isn't impossible. Though it is true that The Will has barely any feats.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that it seems too uncertain.

 

[Delta3000]

yeah but then the full capabilities of the keys was never demonstrated or stated; they were just as powerful as they needed to be.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

The Keys are rated at Solar System because Tuesday was able to put a solar system in a pocket universe. It's possible they could be stronger, but they are never seen to be, so they've been left at that level

 

[Delta3000]

Fair enough.

 

[Delta3000]

If it is possible that they are stronger (and they likely are) shouldn't they be given a 'possibly much higher'?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Well, all 7 keys together made Arthur the New Architect, who is now 2-A, and there is reason to suggest this would be the same for anyone (The Will explicitly tells Arthur he was one of many possible people who could have been chosen, he was just the most likely one for Monday to give up his key to), so if its possible to estimate how powerful a single artifact is based on its power when combined with other identically powered artifacts, maybe they could be upgraded? I don't see a problem with 'possibly higher', but I'm not admin so don't take my word for it

 

[Antvasima]

"Possibly higher" seems fine to me.

 

[Legion350]

I found these feats.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I have replied.

 

[Legion350]

If it is accepted it would make anyone who was able to damage Nithlings, building level.

 

[Antvasima]

Alright.

 

[Legion350]

I found that the Mariner was able to physically restrain Grim Tuesday with the key.

Also. I found that denizens can regen their whole body from just a head.