Kenshiro vs White diamond 3-3-0

[Stillwinston]

0 whatsoever lol, most gems are experts in combat because they have specialised weapons as part of their biology, but White’s weapons are l a s e r s so she never had to train in anything like that, even if she had a weapon, she’s so much stronger than everyone else would never have a need to use it

Well Ken blows her out the water there. He's not only trained in Hokuto Shinken, a martial art that is the most lethal of its kind but he spent years using it and can also master the techniques and styles of other people instantly Yakuza style. If Ken gets KO'd his spirit can still come out and fight too btw. When he pulls out Soryu Tenra WD is getting destroyed.

 

[speedster352]

Well Ken blows her out the water there. He's not only trained in Hokuto Shinken, a martial art that is the most lethal of its kind but he spent years using it and can also master the techniques and styles of other people instantly Yakuza style. If Ken gets KO'd his spirit can still come out and fight too btw. When he pulls out Soryu Tenra WD is getting destroyed.

Wouldn’t bfr counter this? He would still be alive

 

[Stillwinston]

He's not getting BFR'd, not when he can just go Lol Precog and Lol Tensei unless she can bubble nothingness

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Has it already been pointed out that White’s BFR isn’t an in-character tactic whatsoever?

 

[Myguy]

Sōryū Tenra, the ultimate technique passed down to the successor; transports him and his opponent to a world of nothingness where all barriers and defenses are removed, leaving only a fight to death with nothing but one's bare hands

ngl this is a very good ability

 

[Pikaman]

Also, in terms of NE Physiology, can Kenshiro move or anything? How does something non-existent interact with an existing realm

 

[Pikaman]

Has it already been pointed out that White’s BFR isn’t an in-character tactic whatsoever?

It’s been talked about it’s not a particularly go to option, but if she’s running out of options then I’d argue she’d use it

 

[Pikaman]

ngl this is a very good ability

So neither has any hax? Kenshiro can martial arts all he likes White’s size alone is a huge upper hand

 

[Arkenis]

So Wd crush gg?

 

[Stillwinston]

Should also say iirc someone tried to punch a muso tensei user, they were relieved of their arm promptly for it. Yeah Ken can move around in he did so against Raioh.

Ken fought a giant called Devil Rebirth, dunno how tall he was but that's nothing new to Ken.

 

[Myguy]

So neither has any hax? Kenshiro can martial arts all he likes White’s size alone is a huge upper hand

big opponents are not a problem for Kenshiro, and muso Tensei should allow him to avoid attacks that are hard to dodge

how strong are both in ap?

 

[Pikaman]

So Wd crush gg?

If nothing like Musou Tensei is valid in said realm of nothingness yeah

 

[Pikaman]

how strong are both in ap?

White is > 36.589006 Teratons

 

[speedster352]

If nothing like Musou Tensei is valid in said realm of nothingness yeah

She does have the LS advatange so if he uses that move he will be at a disadvantage

Should also say iirc someone tried to punch a muso tensei user, they were relieved of their arm promptly for it. Yeah Ken can move around in he did so against Raioh.

Ken fought a giant called Devil Rebirth, dunno how tall he was but that's nothing new to Ken.

 

[speedster352]

Should also say iirc someone tried to punch a muso tensei user, they were relieved of their arm promptly for it. Yeah Ken can move around in he did so against Raioh.

Ken fought a giant called Devil Rebirth, dunno how tall he was but that's nothing new to Ken.

What’s your character’s ap?

 

[Pikaman]

Ken fought a giant called Devil Rebirth, dunno how tall he was but that's nothing new to Ken.

He won that through his pressure point shenanigans that don’t apply here though, there was also a fairly clear AP difference since Kenshiro blasted through Devil Rebirth’s hands like it was nothing

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Kenshiro is how high into 6-B?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Doesn’t WD have inorganic physiology, how does pressure point work.
WD should be able to crush him.

 

[Pikaman]

Doesn’t WD have inorganic physiology, how does pressure point work.
WD should be able to crush him.

With Musou Tensei crushing is normally a no go apparently but if Kenshiro goes Soryu Tenra he basically dooms himself, White is fairly haxed and also Kenshiro might try and bring it to the realm if pressure points don’t work, before realising that it’s White’s own biology that means it’s ineffective and not supernatural abilities, and then splat.

Also the obligatory argument here about how White gets at least 2 tries because Kenshiro has no reason to crack the gemstone if he poofs her the first time and he may not think to do it the second though that’s pushing it a little

 

[Stillwinston]

Sorry but you are really downplaying Ken's martial skill there, from what you said she has zero martial ability in combat. By the time she's even done that Ken will have already out fought her and won. Its like playing Smash Bros where your a noob fighting someone like Mew2King. Or someone like Mr Burns vs Batman. He mastered styles in an instant that people spent their whole lives learning and can fodder them. Also from what I see Large Size 1 isn't really that big of a game changer here, if it was a larger number I might agree with you. But she might as well be playing checkers while he's a 4D chess player skill wise.

Ken casually slaps Jagi who can take a 1.3 Teraton nuke dropping right on him and be fine. Jagi wasn't injured the only reason he was is because Ken disfigured him prior to their fight iirc. Then he can go into Tenryū Kokyū Hō and go into 100 percent of his strength there. Ken's got precog too from just his aura so if WD comes back he'll see it coming. I gotta head off talk later

 

[Pikaman]

Tenryū Kokyū Hō

That’s High 6-B is it not?

 

[Pikaman]

Also from what I see Large Size 1 isn't really that big of a game changer here

I mean fighting someone when you’re the size of one of their fingers at most is tricky, martial arts doesn’t help a whole lot.

 

[Myguy]

im voting for kenshiro

im assuming that the soryu tenra is used as a last resort since its the ultimate technique

That being said, I don't think white diamond would be able to put her hands on him, precog + instinctive reactions + musou tensei + superior in skill, so like not only she will have a hard time grabbing/hitting him,and if she gets even close to grab/hit him musou tensei kicks in and helps Kenshiro to avoid death

combine this with reactive power level + fate manipulation and white diamond is even more screwed

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah this martial argument isn't working if wd is massive compared to him and also not a martial artist fighter

 

[speedster352]

im voting for kenshiro

im assuming that the soryu tenra is used as a last resort since its the ultimate technique

That being said, I don't think white diamond would be able to put her hands on him, precog + instinctive reactions + musou tensei + superior in skill, so like not only she will have a hard time grabbing him if she gets even close to grab him musou tensei kicks in and helps Kenshiro to avoid death

combine this with reactive power level + fate manipulation and white diamond is even more screwed

Fate manipulation isn’t really combat applicable then white will use her other haxes if she can’t hit him

 

[Pikaman]

Ken casually slaps Jagi who can take a 1.3 Teraton nuke dropping right on him and be fine.

Not impressive when White is well above 28 times that, can Kenshiro even properly damage her then?

 

[Myguy]

Fate manipulation isn’t really combat applicable then white will use her other haxes if she can’t hit him

why not? if it was not combat applicable the profile would say that

 

[Stillwinston]

Dunno how far for that Tenryu stuff though, not sure if the calc is valid there or not. Even so HNK does have a scaling chain Ken is >> Raoh >>>>>>>> Rei >= Shin >>>>> Jagi >>>>>1.3 Teraton

Even so, Precog plus Muso Tensei plus Instinctive Reactions plus making her eat EE plus far better combat experience gives Kenshiro the win. Yeah the Fate Manip stuff last I checked only works in like a year or so anyway from when Toki pulled it off, I think Raoh did it to Rei as well but he died wayyyy after their fight happened.

Gotta head off ttyl

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Ken casually slaps Jagi who can take a 1.3 Teraton nuke dropping right on him and be fine. Jagi wasn't injured the only reason he was is because Ken disfigured him prior to their fight iirc. Then he can go into Tenryū Kokyū Hō and go into 100 percent of his strength there. Ken's got precog too from just his aura so if WD comes back he'll see it coming. I gotta head off talk later

1.3 Teratons is Low 6-B, where does Kenshiro’s 6-B+ stat come?

 

[speedster352]

why not? if it was not combat applicable the profile would say that

It is but it’s very specific an takes a while to work

Dunno how far for that Tenryu stuff though, not sure if the calc is valid there or not. Even so HNK does have a scaling chain Ken is >> Raoh >>>>>>>> Rei >= Shin >>>>> Jagi >>>>>1.3 Teraton

Even so, Precog plus Muso Tensei plus Instinctive Reactions plus making her eat EE plus far better combat experience gives Kenshiro the win. Yeah the Fate Manip stuff last I checked only works in like a year or so anyway from when Toki pulled it off, I think Raoh did it to Rei as well but he died wayyyy after their fight happened.

Gotta head off ttyl

here

 

[Stillwinston]

(Could casually injure Jagi without powering up, far superior to him even before his fight with Shin. Equal to Raoh)

 

[Pikaman]

Equal to Raoh

You have Ken >> Raoh in your scaling chain

 

[Arkenis]

This is a stomp if that fate manipulation for ken is blatant LOL.

 

[Pikaman]

This is a stomp if that fate manipulation for ken is blatant LOL.

Not combat applicable apparently, takes a year to activate or smth

 

[speedster352]

This is a stomp if that fate manipulation for ken is blatant LOL.

It’s only after a year

 

[Stillwinston]

Even so Raoh stomped Rei to the point where it wasn't even funny, anyway fate manip has you die in a year doesn't elaborate more save for the fact Rei and Raoh both died. Rei was in a week iirc but don't quote me its late now heading out gn

 

[Arkenis]

ok. So bubbles go brrr gg?

 

[speedster352]

ok. So bubbles go brrr gg?

Pretty much if she can land it which is possible

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Raoh’s calc blog has 80 different ends for some unholy reason so I’m not sure which I’m supposed to use

 

[Stillwinston]

Bubbles don't get past muso tensei so no