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Kenshiro vs White diamond 3-3-0

We’ve never actually seen her try and corrupt organic life, but considering she had a whole team of Gems + 1 human and a gem-human hybrid she wasn’t looking to hurt opposing her and the only two that escaped corruption were the latter, it’s safe to assume the corruption works similar enough to gem destabilisation, where a cross-verse battle would require verse equalisation, something that would be tricky with SU to say the least
 
Well that sounds like it doesn't then unless there's other showings. BFR can work for the most part. Ken's usual pressure point and your already dead stuff won't work cause gem bodies would resist it. Ken still has ki beams, fear manip from his aura. He can also precog, go muso tensei and make her eat EE and use Sōryū Tenra. Which does this

Sōryū Tenra, the ultimate technique passed down to the successor; transports him and his opponent to a world of nothingness where all barriers and defenses are removed, leaving only a fight to death with nothing but one's bare hands
 
White's slapping if bfr is in character. Otherwise Ken's got clones so can she tell which is the real one or can she just bubble them all? And he'd probably just pop them before she teleports it no?
 
I see, Ken can do stuff like duplicate himself with Ki clones to make tagging the right one harder. Also if he goes into Muso Tensei he's got Nonexistent so really doubt it'd capture him. Plus he can fire ki beams if that helps
 
Nelliels said:
White's slapping if bfr is in character. Otherwise Ken's got clones so can she tell which is the real one or can she just bubble them all? And he'd probably just pop them before she teleports it no?
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White’s never bubbled anything on screen iirc, but that’s because we don’t really see her in combat a lot, Gems have bubbled humans before though, and it’s certainly a power she’s aware of, has likely used and has understanding of. Her go to is always her corruption but once that doesn’t work bubbling will come to mind eventually
 
Stillwinston said:
harder. Also if he goes into Muso Tensei he's got Nonexistent
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Idk a lot about Muso Tensei but the other diamonds could effect Steven with Aura (causing stand-alone physical pain as well as their usual effects e.g. corruption) when he was in a weird ghost state if that would be similar?
 
Nelliels said:
And he'd probably just pop them before she teleports it no?
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It only takes a second to teleport, and if I suddenly got encompassed in a weird space I would have to analyse my surroundings before I went straight to beating the crap out of whatever dome was keeping me in there, which Kenshiro can’t afford. It also seems like bubbles contain breathable air so he wouldn’t exactly be immediately alarmed by a lack of that.
 
Pikaman said:
It only takes a second to teleport, and if I suddenly got encompassed in a weird space I would have to analyse my surroundings before I went straight to beating the crap out of whatever dome was keeping me in there, which Kenshiro can’t afford. It also seems like bubbles contain breathable air so he wouldn’t exactly be immediately alarmed by a lack of that.
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Yea I don't think this matters, he's got instinctive reaction to dodge and spatial manipulation to just undo the bubble
 
limited Self-Sustenance (types 2 and 3; can go three months without eating and one week without sleeping)

Neat, Ken can precog this stuff by the way when it enters his aura so no. Anyway chalking myself down for Ken because he'll just make WD eat EE or make her fight him mano e mano with no hax via Sōryū Tenra
 
  • Age Manipulation: Gems (With the exception of Steven) do not age physically, and would thus be unaffected by having their age altered.
  • Biological Manipulation: Due to being inorganic beings, Gems lack biological material and are thus immune to biological manipulation.
  • Blood Manipulation: Due to their physical forms lacking blood, they are completely immune to blood manipulation.
  • Bone Manipulation: Due to their physical forms lacking bones, they are completely immune to bone manipulation.
  • Gravity Manipulation: Gems have the innate ability to automatically adjust to changes in the level of gravity, such as the difference between the Earth and the Moon, and presumably planets with higher and lower gravity than Earth, and are thus immune to moderate levels of gravity manipulation. However, they have not yet shown to be able to resist significantly high levels of gravity, such as that of a black hole.

Partial Resistances​

Gem physiology also allow for a number of abilities to be partially resisted, usually in the form of physical bodies being immune but not their gemstones are not, or due to the mechanics of certain abilities in other works of fiction. These include:

  • Acid Manipulation: Due to their physical forms being artificial projections, they are capable of regenerating any damage caused by acid. However, their gemstones are unable to regenerate and would likely be heavily damaged or destroyed should they come in contact with acid.
  • Matter Manipulation: Due to their physical forms being artificial projections of light, Gems are immune to most forms of matter manipulation. However, their gemstones are still susceptible to damage through matter manipulation and cannot regenerate.
  • Mind Manipulation:While most forms of mind-based abilities would affect a Gem, due to lacking a brain, biological mind-altering abilities would not affect them.
    • For this resistance, Gems would not be able to resist powers of characters who can mind control beings with no brain. Examples include Rohan Kishibe who does it with information hax, or Randall Flagg who canonically can control robots.
  • Petrification: Due to their physical forms being artificial projections, Gems would be completely immune to petrification in the traditional sense of converting organic matter to stone. However, some methods, such as magic, reality warping, and matter manipulation that can directly affect their gemstone would likely still work on them.
  • Poison Manipulation: Due to their nature as inorganic beings, Gems are immune to most poisons. However, exceedingly toxic poisons, such as Magellan's Venom Demon: Jigoku no Shinpan, would still effect them due to its ability to poison inorganic matter.
  • Pressure Point Attacks: Due to their physical forms being artificial projections that lack internal components, Gems are immune to pressure point attacks. However, their gemstone could be considered a weak point that can be targeted.
  • Size Manipulation: Due to their physical forms being artificial projections that can change shape and size at will, Gems would be able to reverse any alterations made to their body by an outside force. However, they cannot change the size of their gemstone, so manipulating the size of their gemstone would likely have adverse effects on a Gem.
  • Soul Manipulation:Due to their nature as inorganic beings, soul manipulation can work to a varying degree depending on how it is shown to operate. This is often a case-by-case scenario and completely dependent on how said soul manipulation works and what it is shown to work on in its own verse.
    • For this resistance, there may be verses in which souls are not exclusive to organic beings or where soul-based abilities work on things that are inorganic to have a soul, and therefore, machines and AI can be soul haxed. Since there is no rule for how "souls" work, so each verse can be different when it comes to this.
Just so no one has to go and check it, these are white diamonds resistances as a gem
 
Nelliels said:
Yea I don't think this matters, he's got instinctive reaction to dodge and spatial manipulation to just undo the bubble
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How does instinctive reaction work? Bubbling isn’t automatically an offensive tool and has often been used for storage/preservation or even defence for certain unique versions of it. Would it really tip off his reaction to dodge? Even if he did White would be making some very large bubbles, no guarantee he actually gets out of the way in time
 
I mean I see White Diamond having the advantage due to limitless stamina. Unsure how Ken's ee works but given he can hit her with it I might lean towards him more
 
Pikaman said:
Is there any kind of limit or time constraint to this and is it in character for Kenshiro to cheese a win by staying in this throughout an entire fight?
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Iirc in later parts of HNK other people used MT and could thereby punch Ken in the face, I never read it after he beat Raoh though cause it was pretty crap afterwards ngl. MT just removes the person's body from existence. There's also the fact he can make her fight him mano e mano with no hax and that will also leave nothing of her behind and skill wise Ken has stupid feats going for him there too. Can she feel fear? Because Ken can passively induce that to the point where someone was knocked over from him just throwing a pebble.
 
Also, this is probably a very stupid question but uh, with the size difference and superior LS, couldn’t White just... crush him? Assuming he isn’t able to get out of the way, which he might be able to do

obviously Musou Tensei but say she caught him off guard?

Like say.. (this is just one example and there’s probably some that don’t involve White getting poofed

- Kenshiro poofs White

-White Reforms soon after

- Instinctive Reaction kicks in

-Kenshiro tries to dodge, but uh, White’s really large

-Kenshiro gets splatted


It’s an unlikely at best scenario but maybe something to consider?
 
Stillwinston said:
Can she feel fear?
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I’m pretty sure, she had a bit of an existential crisis at some point and other gems can feel fear, so it’s not outside the realms of their biology

she is creepily unfeeling though, and her existential crisis only happened because of Steven’s aura overpowering hers
 
Pikaman said:
I’m pretty sure, she had a bit of an existential crisis at some point and other gems can feel fear, so it’s not outside the realms of their biology

she is creepily unfeeling though, and her existential crisis only happened because of Steven’s aura overpowering hers
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Diamond’s auras can affect personality, and Whites whole thing is being, well, blank. Emotionless and all that. Possibly her aura is one of non feeling emotionally?
 
Stillwinston said:
How good is WD martial skill wise?
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0 whatsoever lol, most gems are experts in combat because they have specialised weapons as part of their biology, but White’s weapons are l a s e r s so she never had to train in anything like that, even if she had a weapon, she’s so much stronger than everyone else would never have a need to use it
 
Yeah White’s aura seems to be similar to BD’s aura which causes immense sadness and grief, except WD’s aura causes emotional neutrality/a lack of emotion. So fear manip looks a no
 
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