Kenbunshoku Haki Addition

[KingTempest]

Kenbunshoku Haki should get Enhanced Senses and Instinctive Reaction.

I've gathered up the types of ES they should get and the feats below.

Kenbunshoku Haki Additions

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If you have an issue with any (there's clearly going to be a few), please state the issue.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Already looked over it and agree with everything.

 

[theultimate5105]

Thermograpic Vision
Disagree with this completely first of all you can feel heat second of all Not only is aces devil fruit fire it could also mean his will
Soul Vision
Completely disagree being called spiritual energy isn't enough proof it actually needs to show some relation to spirits
Different Dimensions sensing
Completely disagree we don't even know if it is a pocket dimension and the door could also have been open at that point
Agree/Neutral with the rest

 

[StrawHatArslan]

I agree with all of them.

 

[KingTempest]

Thermograpic Vision
Disagree with this completely first of all you can feel heat second of all Not only is aces devil fruit fire it could also mean his will

They say that it's his Haki, they don't mention his DF

Soul Vision
Completely disagree being called spiritual energy isn't enough proof it actually needs to show some relation to spirits

Haki has been showed to be tied to souls, when Law switched Sanji's soul into Nami's body and Sanji could still sense while in her body

Different Dimensions sensing
Completely disagree we don't even know if it is a pocket dimension and the door could also have been open at that point

Wiki currently accepts it as a pocket dimension, and the door being open affecting the sensing is headcanon

Agree/Neutral with the rest

Thanks

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Agree with everything but....

1. Thermograpic Vision: The ability to see heat

2. Panoramic Vision: The ability to see 360 degrees

3. Soul Vision: Ability to see souls, spirits, and ghosts (This one I am neutral on, I'm just a bit confused by the justifications)

4. Different Dimensions (This seems iffy to me)

5. Waking up from sleep (No confirmation this is due to haki)

 

[LordGinSama]

Agree with everything but....

1. Thermograpic Vision: The ability to see heat

2. Panoramic Vision: The ability to see 360 degrees

3. Soul Vision: Ability to see souls, spirits, and ghosts (This one I am neutral on, I'm just a bit confused by the justifications)

4. Different Dimensions (This seems iffy to me)

5. Waking up from sleep (No confirmation this is due to haki)

Could you explain more?


1: They can see Ace's ambient heat aura, it being ambient heat means that there are no visible signs that one can see.


2: what's wrong with this one? I mean there are scans posted in the OP.


3: Sanji could still utilize Kenbunshoku despite having his Soul Swapped, Fujitora and Ussop call their energy signatures spirit's and Rayleigh stated Kenbunshoku has Soul Sensing.


4: Big Father is accepted as a pocket dimension, which is a dimension. Iirc Kenbunshoku Haki users also sensed Luffy and Kata in the Mirror World.


5: Big Mom's and Luffy's feats are Kenbunshoku Haki, since we know they can react and fight instinctively.


I agree with the OP btw.

 

[Damage3245]

I disagree with Thermographic Vision for the reasons mentioned above.

I am neutral on Panoromaic Vision but leaning against it. The one feat doesn't seem enough to support him looking in all directions simultaneously.

I am against Soul Vision. Haki being tied to their souls doesn't necessarily mean they can percieve souls with it.

I am against the "waking up from sleep / fighting in their sleep" feats. Nothing directly tying those to Haki.

Iirc Kenbunshoku Haki users also sensed Luffy and Kata in the Mirror World.

Could you find those feats?

 

[theultimate5105]

They say that it's his Haki, they don't mention his DF

Yeah Haki is willpower which he mentions

Haki has been showed to be tied to souls, when Law switched Sanji's soul into Nami's body and Sanji could still sense while in her body

Thats not proof its a technique

Wiki currently accepts it as a pocket dimension, and the door being open affecting the sensing is headcanon

except its not we literally see them go out in the next panel

 

[Voltairee]

I agree with all.

 

[KingTempest]

Yeah Haki is willpower which he mentions

How does that affect the heat?

Thats not proof its a technique

They say spiritual energy is tied with Haki.
You said prove that spiritual energy = soul/spirit in this instance.
I proved it.

Spirit in this instance now means soul.

except its not we literally see them go out in the next panel

Can you prove the door being opened or closed affects the sensory capabilities?

 

[theultimate5105]

How does that affect the heat?

He Notices Aces will and feeling heat is something literally anyone can do

They say spiritual energy is tied with Haki.
You said prove that spiritual energy = soul/spirit in this instance.
I proved it.

Spirit in this instance now means soul.

Its not enough info your saying its spiritual energy which means nothing on its own you need proof other then well its spiritual energy that means nothing on its own it would be good if people could interact with souls with haki but they can't
Brooks devil fruit also proves it wouldn't be anything of value since his soul is visible

Can you prove the door being opened or closed affects the sensory capabilities?

Because his dimension allows people to shoot objects from the inside to the outside

 

[LordGinSama]

He Notices Aces will and feeling heat is something literally anyone can do

Why would he notice Ace's will? Ace didn't use Haoshosku Haki and Kenbunshoku only allows you to sense strength, not will power. That part is entirely head Canon on your end, and yes everyone can feel heat but nobody can see ambient heat.

Its not enough info your saying its spiritual energy which means nothing on its own you need proof other then well its spiritual energy that means nothing on its own it would be good if people could interact with souls with haki but they can't

NPI and soul sensing are completely different and no, having statements of "I can see your spirit!" Is more than enough. Its cut and clear, especially with Rayleigh's statement.

Brooks devil fruit also proves it wouldn't be anything of value since his soul is visible

That's a fault on Brook's Devil Fruit, not for all souls in One Piece.

Because his dimension allows people to shoot objects from the inside to the outside

He can shoot them, they can't shoot him.

 

[KingTempest]

Its not enough info your saying its spiritual energy which means nothing on its own you need proof other then well its spiritual energy that means nothing on its own

Kenbun can sense Spiritual Energy.
Kenbun is connected to the user via their soul.
Soul ~ Kenbun ~ Spirit Energy.

You're ignoring points.

it would be good if people could interact with souls with haki but they can't

Can you prove they can't?

Brooks devil fruit also proves it wouldn't be anything of value since his soul is visible

Ok... that's Brook's ability in itself, not every damn soul in the series.

Because his dimension allows people to shoot objects from the inside to the outside

This affects sensing capabilities how?

 

[joshpiece]

I agree with everything except I’m neutral on the dimension part.

 

[KingTempest]

I understand the issues with the heat portion.

I've explained the soul portion.

The dimension portion has not been countered except w/ headcanon.

Sleep portion is only the issue with WB, so I can remove that, but IR is fine.

 

[joshpiece]

Wiki currently accepts it as a pocket dimension, and the door being open affecting the sensing is headcanon

Didn’t see this I fully agree with the Op now

 

[theultimate5105]

Why would he notice Ace's will? Ace didn't use Haoshosku Haki and Kenbunshoku only allows you to sense strength, not will power. That part is entirely head Canon on your end, and yes everyone can feel heat but nobody can see ambient heat.

that’s literally what it says it also never says he saw it just that he noticed it

NPI and soul sensing are completely different and no, having statements of "I can see your spirit!" Is more than enough. Its cut and clear, especially with Rayleigh's statement.

there are none and NPI would show relation when nothing shows it spirit in one piece refers to will

That's a fault on Brook's Devil Fruit, not for all souls in One Piece.

sorry but Big moms souls are also visible

He can shoot them, they can't shoot him.

no the people inside shoot them which a dimensional barrier would not allow

 

[theultimate5105]

Kenbun can sense Spiritual Energy.
Kenbun is connected to the user via their soul.
Soul ~ Kenbun ~ Spirit Energy.

spiritual energy literally means nothing without elaboration on what it does

You're ignoring points.

Can you prove they can't?

Homies which are souls cannot be interacted with

Ok... that's Brook's ability in itself, not every damn soul in the series.

except it is every damn soul in the series

This affects sensing capabilities how?

because it shows their is not a dimensional gap

 

[KingTempest]

spiritual energy literally means nothing without elaboration on what it does

I'm ignoring this part since you're just repeating it.

Homies which are souls cannot be interacted with

Homies are not souls, they are objects with souls. Big difference.

except it is every damn soul in the series

Proof?
We don't see the soul of anyone except Brook in the series.

because it shows their is not a dimensional gap

So what is the gap, spatial?
Because Bege can manifest inside his own body, the damage done to the outside of the house is not affected on the inside, and when BM touches Bege she doesn't shrink to the point of where her fist is the size of the door.

 

[LordGinSama]

that’s literally what it says it also never says he saw it just that he noticed it

And the heat is the attributing factor for Ace's passive Heat, them mentioning his Haki is irrelevant as Haki doesn't conduct heat.

there are none and NPI would show relation when nothing shows it spirit in one piece refers to will

There absolutely are, there's one from Ussop and one from Rayleigh himself.

sorry but Big moms souls are also visible

No they aren't, those are homies who aren't souls. Homies are made by using souls but they aren't souls themselves.

no the people inside shoot them which a dimensional barrier would not allow

Which is still possible if its a pocket dimension, he can interact with them but they can't interact with him.

 

[Damage3245]

Regarding Bege. His body has windows in it, and people can see out of him through them, but we wouldn't treat them as having cross-dimensional vision.

So wouldn't Haki be the same principle? That it doesn't necessarily need to cross dimensions?

 

[theultimate5105]

And the heat is the attributing factor for Ace's passive Heat, them mentioning his Haki is irrelevant as Haki doesn't conduct heat.

The words he uses were he was like fire itself then Beckmen mentions the heat not seeing the heat just the heat

There absolutely are, there's one from Ussop and one from Rayleigh himself.

Ussops is completely different from other souls and Ussop describing what he could see with observation
Rayleighs is literally just him saying spiritual energy

No they aren't, those are homies who aren't souls. Homies are made by using souls but they aren't souls themselves.

You can literally effect them as souls as shown with brook

Which is still possible if its a pocket dimension, he can interact with them but they can't interact with him.

they aren’t the users of the fruit he is

 

[theultimate5105]

I'm ignoring this part since you're just repeating it.

can’t debunk it ok

Homies are not souls, they are objects with souls. Big difference.

except soul manip is shown to interact with their souls

Proof?
We don't see the soul of anyone except Brook in the series.

big mom rips souls completely different shape

So what is the gap, spatial?
Because Bege can manifest inside his own body, the damage done to the outside of the house is not affected on the inside, and when BM touches Bege she doesn't shrink to the point of where her fist is the size of the door.

You are literally Debunking yourself here the lack of self awareness is hilarious it’s shown that it is not a special distance as normal pirates can see and attack from inside

 

[KingTempest]

except soul manip is shown to interact with their souls

Soul manip interacts with Sanji when Law switched his soul, is Sanji a soul now?

big mom rips souls completely different shape

She rips souls in the form of timespan. It wouldn't look like a soul because she doesn't take it as the stereotypical soul.

it’s shown that it is not a special distance as normal pirates can see and attack from inside

Which is still possible if its a pocket dimension, he can interact with them but they can't interact with him.

 

[Ashura]

I agree. Everything seems legit and gin's 1st explaination made it clearer.

 

[LordGinSama]

The words he uses were he was like fire itself then Beckmen mentions the heat not seeing the heat just the heat

They'd need to be able to see it otherwise they wouldn't be able to tell it was him producing it. They saw his ambient heat aura, which was the thing that was melting the snow.

Ussops is completely different from other souls and Ussop describing what he could see with observation

I can see their spirit, Fujitora can also tell the personality traits of the shit he views, and Rayleigh also said Kenbunshoku can sense spiritual shit.

Rayleighs is literally just him saying spiritual energy

Which is still spiritual in nature, doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that.

You can literally effect them as souls as shown with brook

A mass of fire with a soul is still susceptible to soul Manipulation. Brook can also soul hax humans, that doesn't mean the humans themselves are souls. Don't @ me with your headcannon.

they aren’t the users of the fruit he is

Exactly, he's the user and he can interact with his opponent's. His opponents can't access the inside of his castle.

 

[theultimate5105]

Soul manip interacts with Sanji when Law switched his soul, is Sanji a soul now?

now this is just stupid Brook removed and hit their souls with his soul manip same with Law yet haki fails to touch them

She rips souls in the form of timespan. It wouldn't look like a soul because she doesn't take it as the stereotypical soul.

Except she can take their whole souls which still don’t look like what is shown

 

[KingTempest]

now this is just stupid Brook removed and hit their souls with his soul manip same with Law yet haki fails to touch them

We are not talking about Busoshoku NPI, we are talking about Kenbun Soul sensing.

Why do you consistently derail my threads?

Except she can take their whole souls which still don’t look like what is shown

What do souls look like

 

[theultimate5105]

They'd need to be able to see it otherwise they wouldn't be able to tell it was him producing it. They saw his ambient heat aura, which was the thing that was melting the snow.

prove they saw it oh wait you can’t normal humans can feel heat

I can see their spirit, Fujitora can also tell the personality traits of the shit he views, and Rayleigh also said Kenbunshoku can sense spiritual shit.

Which is still spiritual in nature, doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that.

personality is not the spirit rayleigh said it can see haki

A mass of fire with a soul is still susceptible to soul Manipulation. Brook can also soul hax humans, that doesn't mean the humans themselves are souls. Don't @ me with your headcannon.

so why can’t haki users hit Prometheus then

Exactly, he's the user and he can interact with his opponent's. His opponents can't access the inside of his castle.

he is not the one interacting with them

 

[KingTempest]

STOP DERAILING AND TALKING ABOUT BUSO HURTING PROMETHEUS

NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT NPI.

 

[theultimate5105]

We are not talking about Busoshoku NPI, we are talking about Kenbun Soul sensing.

Why do you consistently derail my threads?

now you can’t back up your argument against it so your going into derailing you started that argument

What do souls look like

coloured Balls in one piece

 

[KingTempest]

personality is not the spirit rayleigh said it can see haki

https://media.**********.net/attachments/744687887475277824/827307161654132796/Screen_Shot_2021-04-01_at_6.23.15_PM.png

WHERE DOES IT SAY HAKI

 

[KingTempest]

now you can’t back up your argument against it so your going into derailing you started that argument

Quote where I started it

coloured Balls in one piece

 

[theultimate5105]

Quote where I started it

That soul is literally in the process of being ripped out

 

[KingTempest]

That soul is literally in the process of being ripped out

Where are the colored balls?

 

[theultimate5105]

Can you prove they can't?

Here

 

[LordGinSama]

prove they saw it oh wait you can’t normal humans can feel heat

Actually I can, so I'd suggest you stop acting smug child. You're a new user here who cleary doesn't have any idea on what he's on about, don't come into threads acting as if you're the be all end all. Because so far you yourself haven't proven shit, and your only arguments are borderline dismissive. Normal humans can feel heat, they can't see ambient heat which is what Ace's passive is. The Straw-Hats couldn't feel the temperature of Ace's passive either so nice try.

personality is not the spirit rayleigh said it can see haki

No he didn't, you literally made that up. Official translations say Spiritual Energy and at no point did he ever say "Sense Haki" in any translations. This is something you made up yourself so I'd also suggest to stop lying in order to save face.

so why can’t haki users hit Prometheus then

Because he's a literal ball of ******* fire without a real body???? I find it funny that you get on others for not knowing the verse yet you yourself are ignorant of the mechanic's that have been explained in the verse. Buso can only attack those with a real body under their elemental intangibility.

he is not the one interacting with them

He is, he can shoot at the opponent while inside and unleash his men. He's the one interacting with them, you saying otherwise isn't prove. Like seriously back up your ******* claims with Citation and scans before you get dismissive while acting as if your right. News flash, you aren't.

 

[theultimate5105]

Where are the colored balls?

Again it is still not even completely together there when They are shown clearly they are circular balls

 

[KingTempest]

Again it is still not even completely together there when They are shown clearly they are circular balls

No you asshat

That is the tiny portions of their soul that they give to the incarnations. They have decades worth of life, the small balls are a month worth.

The full soul which we see is not a ball.