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KCM Naruto vs EMS Sasuke
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MinatoSparkle
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LMAO lemme guess next someone will vote Sasuke then someone else will vote Naruto.
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Oh for ****'s sake.
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better than people voting INC lmao
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Isn't grace for incon over already?
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I mean...if 4 people voted Sasuke 7 Naruto and 5 incon I'd be happy.
I'm pretty sure that'll be in 6 hours. Although I'm gonna use the logic u had for Hokage Naruto vs Madara. If some of the votes for Sasuke are for things that aren't on his profile (like assuming Kabuto has better reactions than Naruto) then they don't count. So are some of the votes for that?
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Most people who voted for Sasuke did so based on my arguments as far as I can tell, and my main arguments in regards to speed were that Sasuke has better reactions, comparable speed, and better precog/visual enhancements thanks to the Sharingan. All of these things are present on the profiles, so the votes should be valid.
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"Again, Kabuto should actually be upgraded for this feat, and more importantly there's something you're forgetting. Kabuto only dodged thanks to his Sage Mode enhanced senses and sensory capabilities, which is excellent for reactions and last minute evasions even against comparable or superior characters.
We've seen this with Naruto himself more than once, so it's not like Kabuto dodged purely thanks to his raw speed. SM reactions and danger awareness are > KCM thanks to this."
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What does that have to do with the votes for Sasuke?
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Because it's assuming Kabuto could only dodge Sasuke due to having superior reactions to KCM Naruto due to SM, which isn't accepted.
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Are you really trying this hard to invalidate their votes
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I mean if KCM Naruto's Rasenshuriken being 6-C isn't allowed because it's not accepted I think it's fair to apply that rule to Sasuke too.
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First you talk about stuff for Kabuto now you're talking about stuff for Sasuke
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I'm saying if Kabuto could dodge Sasuke's fastest attack, while only being Sub Relativistic, then Mastered KCM Naruto will have no problem doing that at At least Sub-Relativistic.
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If you take a look at EMS Sasuke's key, you'll see that he's rated as:
"At least Sub-Relativistic with Relativistic Reactions (Far faster than before. Can react to Controlled Jūbi Jinchūriki Obito's attacks)"
Meaning Sasuke factually has identical speed and superior reactions to Naruto.
Comparing something that is on the profiles to something that is not doesn't make much sense.
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You do know the Abilities that SM grants it's users right, and the in universe stated advantages it has over KCM?
What form was Kabuto in when he dodged those arrows?
What handicap did Kabuto give to himself during that fight?
What form was Naruto in when he defeated the 3rd Raikage?
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I'm not arguing Naruto's faster than Sasuke though.
So does SM Naruto have better reactions than BM Naruto cause that's a stated advantage of the form? No.
Same applies to Mastered KCM Naruto.
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Keep trying, BM Naruto is "Relativistic" all around compared to KCM Naruto, whether unmastered or mastered, who is only "At Least Sub-Relativistic"
And the statement is only for SM and KCM
Also good job for deflecting the questions
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Even unmastered Naruto is At least Sub-Rel, and the statement regarding SM>KCM is only referring to the unmastered variant. No such statement is made later.
Unmastered
I didn't deflect the questions, the answers to all of them are SM and it doesn't matter because it doesn't change my point
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Still doesn't invalidate the votes for Sasuke then.
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Um...actually it kinda does. A Susanoo arrow which is Sasuke's fastest attack shouldn't be able to hit Naruto according to this site, and that's pretty bad for Sasuke.
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And where's your proof other than saying your own opinion?
Sasuke is just as fast as this Naruto, with even faster Reaction Speed. This would just be a similar situation to 3 Tomoe Sasuke vs KNO Naruto where any attack from Sasuke's Susanoo can pierce/cut through Naruto
Sasuke is just as fast as this Naruto, with even faster Reaction Speed. This would just be a similar situation to 3 Tomoe Sasuke vs KNO Naruto where any attack from Sasuke's Susanoo can pierce/cut through Naruto
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Naruto~Kabuto
Kabuto~Sasuke
Naruto~Sasuke
Sasuke can't hit Kabuto with the arrow.
Sasuke can't hit Naruto with the arrow.
Kabuto having greater reactions than Naruto isn't on his profile.
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Only if you ignore context and their respective Powers and Abilities.
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No only if we go by the profile, which is something we're meant to. I'd love to ignore profiles and just argue my opinion too, but that's not how the site works unfortunately.
Although I guess if that is just a supporting point and the idea isn't that it would hit him first time but rather would be fast enough to be a good distraction or something I guess whatever grace is over so I guess there's no need to continue trying to persuade ya
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