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Never did I say that sucking out kars' souls and stands would kill him
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Kars vs Bayonetta
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Also Dune wouldn't save him from an attack millions of times stronger than his durability, if he tries to become sand bayo would just atomized the sand with her attack
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Dune is pasive .
If soul absorb doesnt murder him d4c and btd activate and hand him resustances and orior information weekly .
His default state is currently sand and bayo wouldnt realize that. Although have fun even damaging kars at all when d4c makes projectiles pointless and he himself can avoid any non projectile with no effort weekly .
If soul absorb doesnt murder him d4c and btd activate and hand him resustances and orior information weekly .
His default state is currently sand and bayo wouldnt realize that. Although have fun even damaging kars at all when d4c makes projectiles pointless and he himself can avoid any non projectile with no effort weekly .
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Cool, still wont save him from a planet level attack
Soul absorb would absorb all of his souls including all of his stands leaving him just an atomized body with no stands to fall back on
Soul absorb would absorb all of his souls including all of his stands leaving him just an atomized body with no stands to fall back on
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Bayoneta must hit kars first weekly.
Stabing a pile of sand wont do shit. Ya havent actually answered the question of if bayoneta could damage and absorb angel souls while made of light .
And that there ? Well that confirms ya dont pay the slightest amount of attention. Btd and d4c dont rely on kars and wouldnt be effected. Which fortunately are the stands that would save kars also and gimp bayoneta quite hard also weekly .
Also excluding the fact bayoneta must first get close to and stab him with shuraba which kars would avoid. Shapeshifting. D4c. Made. Za warudo. Al viable ways that would make him avoid any of bayoneta melee attacks and doing za warudo to avoid attacks actually is full within character for kars weekly . While shuraba is a living weapon that means shuraba is also prone to understanding meaning jars would be aware and avoid the blade and retaliate and ohko .
Stabing a pile of sand wont do shit. Ya havent actually answered the question of if bayoneta could damage and absorb angel souls while made of light .
And that there ? Well that confirms ya dont pay the slightest amount of attention. Btd and d4c dont rely on kars and wouldnt be effected. Which fortunately are the stands that would save kars also and gimp bayoneta quite hard also weekly .
Also excluding the fact bayoneta must first get close to and stab him with shuraba which kars would avoid. Shapeshifting. D4c. Made. Za warudo. Al viable ways that would make him avoid any of bayoneta melee attacks and doing za warudo to avoid attacks actually is full within character for kars weekly . While shuraba is a living weapon that means shuraba is also prone to understanding meaning jars would be aware and avoid the blade and retaliate and ohko .
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Hitting a pile of sand with anything with 5-B force behind it will atomize the sand. He doesnt become immune to damage above his paygrade.
Yes, she can.
BtD and D4C are stands and thus would be absorbed by Shuraba if D4C on its own isnt immediately oneshot the second it shows up.
Kars doesnt lead with timestop, D4C gets oneshot, and shapeshifting only gets him so far and it doesnt help that Bayo can create giant blades with shuraba so if he tries to avoid the actual blade he still gets cut by the giant blade.
Yes, she can.
BtD and D4C are stands and thus would be absorbed by Shuraba if D4C on its own isnt immediately oneshot the second it shows up.
Kars doesnt lead with timestop, D4C gets oneshot, and shapeshifting only gets him so far and it doesnt help that Bayo can create giant blades with shuraba so if he tries to avoid the actual blade he still gets cut by the giant blade.
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>Hitting a pile of sand with anything with 5-B force behind it will atomize the sand. He doesnt become immune to damage above his paygrade.
Stabing a pile of sand? Youre confusing ap with destructive capacity. The same way freeza has universal death beams but only pierce and dont blow shit all the way to hell . Not that any of that matters especially when stabing kars wouldnt be a possibility and all of bayonetas projectile based attacks are rendered useless by d4c meaning bayoneta must go mele.
>Yes, she can.
Example.
>BtD and D4C are stands and thus would be absorbed by Shuraba if D4C on its own isnt immediately oneshot the second it shows up.
Youre actualy showing how much you dont pay attention. Btd is not his stand. Stabing kars wont do shit to btd. D4c also wouldnt be effected. Explicitky handwaving the fact kars would be aware of the blades properties hundreds of meters before bayoneta reaches him. And again with the "Bayoneta can ohko a being she isnt aware of that probably wouldnt even make itself be seen and can dimension hop far faster than anything within bayonetas arsenal bar thought based weaponary ".
>Kars doesnt lead with timestop, D4C gets oneshot, and shapeshifting only gets him so far and it doesnt help that Bayo can create giant blades with shuraba so if he tries to avoid the actual blade he still gets cut by the giant blade.
Youre incredibly dense weekly. Kars does use za warudo to avoid attacks he does so the moment he obtained za warudo. D4c can dimension hop far faster than bayoneta can swing a blade or stab or even move for that matter. Youre comparing what is essentially almost a thought based action with full body motion. And ya completely handwaved made excluding the fact ya conviently excluded the fact kars would understand the blade and make sure he avouds that but what else is new weekly. Youve been handwaving almost all of kars options this match hundreds of posts now. Weekly ya obviously must think kars would let bayoneta cross over 4km promptly puncture ultimate with a blade he would avoud with a plenty of multitude of ways that he would perform becayse ultimate would be well aware of the blades property of absorbing souls ? If you think that youre a prime example of only thinking about what your combatant would perform and do while handwaving the oponent and thats hilariously fallacious weekly . Not to mention bayoneta doesnt lead with that but well that obviousky wasnt a thing ya thought of . And shapeshifting? Still viable when he can shapeshift and split himself up.
Youre entire point relies and boils to kars doing almost nothing when he definitely would. Unless ya think he would yse melee based stands from 4km and do nothing on a oponent hed understand us dangerous and a oponent that he would probably copy moments later and understand the danger. Hell he could merely strip bayoneta from weaponary or bfr . And bayoneta sure definitely as all hell not coming back from layers of bfr.
Also bayoneta doesnt resust soul tranmutation meaning btd and whitesnake soul hax would also be option .
Stabing a pile of sand? Youre confusing ap with destructive capacity. The same way freeza has universal death beams but only pierce and dont blow shit all the way to hell . Not that any of that matters especially when stabing kars wouldnt be a possibility and all of bayonetas projectile based attacks are rendered useless by d4c meaning bayoneta must go mele.
>Yes, she can.
Example.
>BtD and D4C are stands and thus would be absorbed by Shuraba if D4C on its own isnt immediately oneshot the second it shows up.
Youre actualy showing how much you dont pay attention. Btd is not his stand. Stabing kars wont do shit to btd. D4c also wouldnt be effected. Explicitky handwaving the fact kars would be aware of the blades properties hundreds of meters before bayoneta reaches him. And again with the "Bayoneta can ohko a being she isnt aware of that probably wouldnt even make itself be seen and can dimension hop far faster than anything within bayonetas arsenal bar thought based weaponary ".
>Kars doesnt lead with timestop, D4C gets oneshot, and shapeshifting only gets him so far and it doesnt help that Bayo can create giant blades with shuraba so if he tries to avoid the actual blade he still gets cut by the giant blade.
Youre incredibly dense weekly. Kars does use za warudo to avoid attacks he does so the moment he obtained za warudo. D4c can dimension hop far faster than bayoneta can swing a blade or stab or even move for that matter. Youre comparing what is essentially almost a thought based action with full body motion. And ya completely handwaved made excluding the fact ya conviently excluded the fact kars would understand the blade and make sure he avouds that but what else is new weekly. Youve been handwaving almost all of kars options this match hundreds of posts now. Weekly ya obviously must think kars would let bayoneta cross over 4km promptly puncture ultimate with a blade he would avoud with a plenty of multitude of ways that he would perform becayse ultimate would be well aware of the blades property of absorbing souls ? If you think that youre a prime example of only thinking about what your combatant would perform and do while handwaving the oponent and thats hilariously fallacious weekly . Not to mention bayoneta doesnt lead with that but well that obviousky wasnt a thing ya thought of . And shapeshifting? Still viable when he can shapeshift and split himself up.
Youre entire point relies and boils to kars doing almost nothing when he definitely would. Unless ya think he would yse melee based stands from 4km and do nothing on a oponent hed understand us dangerous and a oponent that he would probably copy moments later and understand the danger. Hell he could merely strip bayoneta from weaponary or bfr . And bayoneta sure definitely as all hell not coming back from layers of bfr.
Also bayoneta doesnt resust soul tranmutation meaning btd and whitesnake soul hax would also be option .
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Leading with any of his powers weekly? Youre acting like he wouldnt use any of his powers at all. He doesnt need a lead with za warudo to activate za warudo when bayoneta trues attacking.
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First off, its a sword, she's not stabbing she's cutting and slicing, and her AoE with the swors is well above the ability to atomize Kars' whole body with one swing. D4C gets headshot as soon as it shows up, its anon-factor in this fight.
Any of her fights with Joys, as they can attack her before they even take form and she can attack back.
Bayo has all of one stabbing-based move with shuraba, all of her other attacks are cutting/slicing (And thanks for having me go back to look as she has an energy projection move with it as well) so your argument that he can avoid being stabbed is irrelivant.
Yeah, and Bayo has fought and people who use timestops the exact same way and is able to react accordingly, it wont help Kars to do so. D4C would be soulsucked by Shuraba and speed is equalized so no, it cant move faster than she can move. Kars does not in any way shape or form have a multitude of ways to affect Bayo, he only has a few, she can oneshot or resist almost anything he can throw at her. Bayo does lead with it actually and has done so before.
Considering all of his ranged stands get blown up if he tries to use them yes, he'd have to go for melee. Bayo's weaponry is kept in a hammerspace, theyre not on her physical person, so no, he will not be disarming her. And she can just return from BFR via Purgatorio as its outside the human universe altogether.
Trying to use Whitesnake would get Kars atomized on the spot.
Any of her fights with Joys, as they can attack her before they even take form and she can attack back.
Bayo has all of one stabbing-based move with shuraba, all of her other attacks are cutting/slicing (And thanks for having me go back to look as she has an energy projection move with it as well) so your argument that he can avoid being stabbed is irrelivant.
Yeah, and Bayo has fought and people who use timestops the exact same way and is able to react accordingly, it wont help Kars to do so. D4C would be soulsucked by Shuraba and speed is equalized so no, it cant move faster than she can move. Kars does not in any way shape or form have a multitude of ways to affect Bayo, he only has a few, she can oneshot or resist almost anything he can throw at her. Bayo does lead with it actually and has done so before.
Considering all of his ranged stands get blown up if he tries to use them yes, he'd have to go for melee. Bayo's weaponry is kept in a hammerspace, theyre not on her physical person, so no, he will not be disarming her. And she can just return from BFR via Purgatorio as its outside the human universe altogether.
Trying to use Whitesnake would get Kars atomized on the spot.
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>First off, its a sword, she's not stabbing she's cutting and slicing, and her AoE with the swors is well above the ability to atomize Kars' whole body with one swing. D4C gets headshot as soon as it shows up, its anon-factor in this fight.
No? At least not before he realizes that and splits a few duplicates maybe a full on dune body? Which would be at least a few hundred meter . Headshot? Holy shit weekly? How many times must you be told projectiles definitely would and will not work on d4c or at least bullets sure as hell wont. Are you deliberately ignoring the oposing sides points? Of course bayoneta will have to hit kars first. She wont. And at 4km? Hell probably wouldnt even make it to him before d4c duplicates or btd or mih or za warudo get pulled off wekly . Far quicker than moving 4km. Half of which are thought techniqye .
>Any of her fights with Joys, as they can attack her before they even take form and she can attack back.
And thats canon and not dark souls attack mid teleport gameplay oversight ? Even if is ya best think again if dune being overcome prevents literally all of kars big weapons which can be done without and before bayoneta comes close or can damage him even at close proximity Weekly .
>Bayo has all of one stabbing-based move with shuraba, all of her other attacks are cutting/slicing (And thanks for having me go back to look as she has an energy projection move with it as well) so your argument that he can avoid being stabbed is irrelivant.
Then he can avoid the projectile. You seem to think or at least cant comprehend the fact kars can easily avoid any of bayonetas attacks. The world-d4c dimension hop-made in heaven-btd all make bayoneta completely unable to touch him. He will use these methods as he would be aware if the blades power and he would do so optimaly. Za warudo then dimension hoping within time stop and gather duplicates? If thats optimal he would do so. Za warudo and move far out of range then btd? Mih and become literally the flash . Or btd before bayoneta even encroaches anywhere close ultimate ?. Al potential and easy method Al quicker by a decent amount (thought based or a quick miniscule finger gesture).
>Yeah, and Bayo has fought and people who use timestops the exact same way and is able to react accordingly, it wont help Kars to do so. D4C would be soulsucked by Shuraba and speed is equalized so no, it cant move faster than she can move. Kars does not in any way shape or form have a multitude of ways to affect Bayo, he only has a few, she can oneshot or resist almost anything he can throw at her. Bayo does lead with it actually and has done so before.
Bayoneta hasnt fought a being who can ohko her within a timestop as bayoneta cant resust a time stop of kars caliber. Can she resist a time stop? Yeah maybe bayoneta can fortunately for kars bayoneta resisting time stop wont do a lot when kars time stop can efect beings that already resist. And the exact same way? Pretty sure bayoneta hasnt even fought a being that can time stop and ohko while time is stopped and actually acted upon that. D4c wont be absorbed. Hes essentially a different entity that merely transfers kars goal and objective between alternate kars and he can dimension hop faster than bayoneta can move. Weekly youre well aware thats not how sped equalization funtion. Youre claiming bayoneta can shoot d4c (projectiles being useles and most forms of contact do nothing as thats a medium for dimension move) before he can esentially teleport. Thats factually and hilariously wrong. After the few dozen threads made literally for sped equalization ya should be aware not literally all moves and techniques are made literally equal. The dimension hop is far faster than firing a gun or blasting or slashing . Its thought based and can be done with any medium.
Oh and lets name off things ultimate being kars would and can do to avoid all of bayonetas attacks and what can ohko bayoneta.
1.D4c paradox. (Temporal paradox doesnt protect ).
2.Whitesnake transmutating and removing the mind. (Completely different mind hax than what bayoneta can endure ).
3.Whitesnake transmutating the soul (Bayoneta lacks a resistance to soul transmutation).
4.Bomb one as that is also transmutation.
5.Btd time paradox. (Not on the profile and the thread hasnt been posted on or bumped for days wekly ).
6.Btd transmutating the soul into a bomb. The range on this is at least city wide and instant. Also comes with fate manipulation .
7.Cmoon punching would turn bayoneta inside out.
8.Mih increases kars speed thousands to nigh infinitely at a thought. This gives him more than enough time to blitz bayoneta and ohko.
9.Biological manipulation especially as kars can phase his body through organic material bypassing durability. Brain manipulation would be a decent objective .
10. Obviously time stop. Allows him to counter and avoid all of bayonetas attacks. Done at a thought and he can do any method minus kq within time stop .
11. Using bayonetas own powers against her while handwaving the point of ultimate his understanding and he would be well aware of when to avoid or use time stop and mih.
12.Bfr.
13.Mind control (dont even try pulling the mind hax resustance because thats completely false) .
14.D4c alternates and duplicated (or even light mode potentially) definitely would make any chance bayoneta had a fleeting dream. A potential army of kars . Have fun defeating all when any number and even one can ohko.
15.Mind reading. Also essentially gives ultimate kars bayobetas arsenal .
While factoring understanding and ultimates potential skill and intellect he would understand bayoneta do a counter and win utilizing on of his potential win conditions and methods akso .
Whitesnake also has rotting of the body instantaneous sleep inducement and dream manipulation. All activated through a thought based technique .
Das boot and dune are literally the only stands that dont make quick work of bayoneta . Then again seeing as kars himself can do All stand abilities without the stand and can be done while utilizing mih and za warudo excluding kq then yeah bayoneta would have no way to avoid any of that .
>Considering all of his ranged stands get blown up if he tries to use them yes, he'd have to go for melee. Bayo's weaponry is kept in a hammerspace, theyre not on her physical person, so no, he will not be disarming her. And she can just return from BFR via Purgatorio as its outside the human universe altogether.
Cool. That would be das boot and thats literally all. His other long range stands dont require distance and effect targets at range (btd). She pulls the weapon out? Bam time stop and take. Extremely doubtful. Youre claiming bayoneta can return from multiuniversal bfr. If bayoneta is no longer in a universe that has or is connected to purgatorio then unfortunately thats definitely not working. And to assume purgatorio is connected to Al universes within the multiverse is doubtful. Also bayoneta even being able to go within purgatorio and return to the base universe from one of infinite universes and potentially layerd a bit of a stretch with no feat or way of a quote weekly . Or excluding the fact the universes may have a purgatorio of its own. Meaning that purgatorio and the one bayoneta needs would be different.
>Trying to use Whitesnake would get Kars atomized on the spot.
All the more reason he would lead with something else. Although thats highly presumptions of you to say when bayoneta wouldnt be expecting a six armed just as fast as her being to be summoned anywhere within 20meterz of ultimate kars quite instantly and so much so that he would be summoned on top of bayoneta to the point where she cant avoid him instantly and that can ohko bayoneta upon a mere touch .
As is kars would use mih and time stop when bayoneta attempts a atack. After that bayoneta cant do a thing.
Also because bayoneta used shuraba once or twice that meant bayoneta would definitely lead with that when bayoneta would have zero information while kars would understand most of bayoneta . Well thats definitely not gona cut that weekly. Kars lead with time stop a few times also but ya keep insinuating he definitely wont meaning bayoneta is presumed to be under the exact same conditions of only the most consistent lead is being done . After the fact ya keep going on about kars leads despite he being quite able to understand and do a optimal lead which a luxury a certain umbra witch wont have .
No? At least not before he realizes that and splits a few duplicates maybe a full on dune body? Which would be at least a few hundred meter . Headshot? Holy shit weekly? How many times must you be told projectiles definitely would and will not work on d4c or at least bullets sure as hell wont. Are you deliberately ignoring the oposing sides points? Of course bayoneta will have to hit kars first. She wont. And at 4km? Hell probably wouldnt even make it to him before d4c duplicates or btd or mih or za warudo get pulled off wekly . Far quicker than moving 4km. Half of which are thought techniqye .
>Any of her fights with Joys, as they can attack her before they even take form and she can attack back.
And thats canon and not dark souls attack mid teleport gameplay oversight ? Even if is ya best think again if dune being overcome prevents literally all of kars big weapons which can be done without and before bayoneta comes close or can damage him even at close proximity Weekly .
>Bayo has all of one stabbing-based move with shuraba, all of her other attacks are cutting/slicing (And thanks for having me go back to look as she has an energy projection move with it as well) so your argument that he can avoid being stabbed is irrelivant.
Then he can avoid the projectile. You seem to think or at least cant comprehend the fact kars can easily avoid any of bayonetas attacks. The world-d4c dimension hop-made in heaven-btd all make bayoneta completely unable to touch him. He will use these methods as he would be aware if the blades power and he would do so optimaly. Za warudo then dimension hoping within time stop and gather duplicates? If thats optimal he would do so. Za warudo and move far out of range then btd? Mih and become literally the flash . Or btd before bayoneta even encroaches anywhere close ultimate ?. Al potential and easy method Al quicker by a decent amount (thought based or a quick miniscule finger gesture).
>Yeah, and Bayo has fought and people who use timestops the exact same way and is able to react accordingly, it wont help Kars to do so. D4C would be soulsucked by Shuraba and speed is equalized so no, it cant move faster than she can move. Kars does not in any way shape or form have a multitude of ways to affect Bayo, he only has a few, she can oneshot or resist almost anything he can throw at her. Bayo does lead with it actually and has done so before.
Bayoneta hasnt fought a being who can ohko her within a timestop as bayoneta cant resust a time stop of kars caliber. Can she resist a time stop? Yeah maybe bayoneta can fortunately for kars bayoneta resisting time stop wont do a lot when kars time stop can efect beings that already resist. And the exact same way? Pretty sure bayoneta hasnt even fought a being that can time stop and ohko while time is stopped and actually acted upon that. D4c wont be absorbed. Hes essentially a different entity that merely transfers kars goal and objective between alternate kars and he can dimension hop faster than bayoneta can move. Weekly youre well aware thats not how sped equalization funtion. Youre claiming bayoneta can shoot d4c (projectiles being useles and most forms of contact do nothing as thats a medium for dimension move) before he can esentially teleport. Thats factually and hilariously wrong. After the few dozen threads made literally for sped equalization ya should be aware not literally all moves and techniques are made literally equal. The dimension hop is far faster than firing a gun or blasting or slashing . Its thought based and can be done with any medium.
Oh and lets name off things ultimate being kars would and can do to avoid all of bayonetas attacks and what can ohko bayoneta.
1.D4c paradox. (Temporal paradox doesnt protect ).
2.Whitesnake transmutating and removing the mind. (Completely different mind hax than what bayoneta can endure ).
3.Whitesnake transmutating the soul (Bayoneta lacks a resistance to soul transmutation).
4.Bomb one as that is also transmutation.
5.Btd time paradox. (Not on the profile and the thread hasnt been posted on or bumped for days wekly ).
6.Btd transmutating the soul into a bomb. The range on this is at least city wide and instant. Also comes with fate manipulation .
7.Cmoon punching would turn bayoneta inside out.
8.Mih increases kars speed thousands to nigh infinitely at a thought. This gives him more than enough time to blitz bayoneta and ohko.
9.Biological manipulation especially as kars can phase his body through organic material bypassing durability. Brain manipulation would be a decent objective .
10. Obviously time stop. Allows him to counter and avoid all of bayonetas attacks. Done at a thought and he can do any method minus kq within time stop .
11. Using bayonetas own powers against her while handwaving the point of ultimate his understanding and he would be well aware of when to avoid or use time stop and mih.
12.Bfr.
13.Mind control (dont even try pulling the mind hax resustance because thats completely false) .
14.D4c alternates and duplicated (or even light mode potentially) definitely would make any chance bayoneta had a fleeting dream. A potential army of kars . Have fun defeating all when any number and even one can ohko.
15.Mind reading. Also essentially gives ultimate kars bayobetas arsenal .
While factoring understanding and ultimates potential skill and intellect he would understand bayoneta do a counter and win utilizing on of his potential win conditions and methods akso .
Whitesnake also has rotting of the body instantaneous sleep inducement and dream manipulation. All activated through a thought based technique .
Das boot and dune are literally the only stands that dont make quick work of bayoneta . Then again seeing as kars himself can do All stand abilities without the stand and can be done while utilizing mih and za warudo excluding kq then yeah bayoneta would have no way to avoid any of that .
>Considering all of his ranged stands get blown up if he tries to use them yes, he'd have to go for melee. Bayo's weaponry is kept in a hammerspace, theyre not on her physical person, so no, he will not be disarming her. And she can just return from BFR via Purgatorio as its outside the human universe altogether.
Cool. That would be das boot and thats literally all. His other long range stands dont require distance and effect targets at range (btd). She pulls the weapon out? Bam time stop and take. Extremely doubtful. Youre claiming bayoneta can return from multiuniversal bfr. If bayoneta is no longer in a universe that has or is connected to purgatorio then unfortunately thats definitely not working. And to assume purgatorio is connected to Al universes within the multiverse is doubtful. Also bayoneta even being able to go within purgatorio and return to the base universe from one of infinite universes and potentially layerd a bit of a stretch with no feat or way of a quote weekly . Or excluding the fact the universes may have a purgatorio of its own. Meaning that purgatorio and the one bayoneta needs would be different.
>Trying to use Whitesnake would get Kars atomized on the spot.
All the more reason he would lead with something else. Although thats highly presumptions of you to say when bayoneta wouldnt be expecting a six armed just as fast as her being to be summoned anywhere within 20meterz of ultimate kars quite instantly and so much so that he would be summoned on top of bayoneta to the point where she cant avoid him instantly and that can ohko bayoneta upon a mere touch .
As is kars would use mih and time stop when bayoneta attempts a atack. After that bayoneta cant do a thing.
Also because bayoneta used shuraba once or twice that meant bayoneta would definitely lead with that when bayoneta would have zero information while kars would understand most of bayoneta . Well thats definitely not gona cut that weekly. Kars lead with time stop a few times also but ya keep insinuating he definitely wont meaning bayoneta is presumed to be under the exact same conditions of only the most consistent lead is being done . After the fact ya keep going on about kars leads despite he being quite able to understand and do a optimal lead which a luxury a certain umbra witch wont have .
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Implying that more 6-B opponents will somehow prevent him from being oneshot. Ive already explained multiple times why Bayo's projectiles would work on D4C but you conveniently ignore it every single time. Bayo has sniped stuff from across a city before, she'd be able to hit him.
Yes, its canon. Sand is not completely intangible, if she hits him he's getting atomized through sheer AP.
Wow, youre really just ignoring everything i say arent you? She's not using a projectile, she's slicing and cutting. Bayo's bullets can hit cross-dimensionally so D4C is dead.
Yes actually she has, Balder to be exact. D4C is a stand therefore a soul therefore it gets absorbed. And no, speed is equalized, there is no 'it can move faster than she can'. Yes, literally all moves and techniques are made equal, thats the entire point of speed equalization. Bayo's bullets scale to her speed.
7.C-Moon can be resisted by sheer power, it would do nothing to Bayo
9. He needs biological material beforehand in order to do so or needs direct contact which Bayo definitely wouldnt allow.
10. Again Bayo has fought and beaten people who use timestop the same way Kars does
11. Bayo has fought and beaten people who did the same thing.
12. Purgatorio to return
13. Mind hax resistance
14. An army of 6-Bs against a 5-B, how threatening, Bayo kills armies of 6-Bs on a daily basis.
15. Kars never replicated weapons before
No actually, all except D4C/BtD and Whitesnake would do nothing to Bayo.
Kars doesnt have the strength to pull something out of the hands of a 5-B person with Class T Lifting Strength. And yes, she can, hell Bayo has returned from temporal BFR before. Purgatorio is in fact connected to all human universes as its a constant parallel to the human universe.
And now i know youve never played a Bayonetta game if you think she wouldnt expect that when almost every major opponent can do the same thing. As ive already explained Bayo has fought and beaten people who use timestop the same way Kars does.
And yeah, all of two times, it isnt even close to his consistent portrayal of how he leads a fight.
Yes, its canon. Sand is not completely intangible, if she hits him he's getting atomized through sheer AP.
Wow, youre really just ignoring everything i say arent you? She's not using a projectile, she's slicing and cutting. Bayo's bullets can hit cross-dimensionally so D4C is dead.
Yes actually she has, Balder to be exact. D4C is a stand therefore a soul therefore it gets absorbed. And no, speed is equalized, there is no 'it can move faster than she can'. Yes, literally all moves and techniques are made equal, thats the entire point of speed equalization. Bayo's bullets scale to her speed.
7.C-Moon can be resisted by sheer power, it would do nothing to Bayo
9. He needs biological material beforehand in order to do so or needs direct contact which Bayo definitely wouldnt allow.
10. Again Bayo has fought and beaten people who use timestop the same way Kars does
11. Bayo has fought and beaten people who did the same thing.
12. Purgatorio to return
13. Mind hax resistance
14. An army of 6-Bs against a 5-B, how threatening, Bayo kills armies of 6-Bs on a daily basis.
15. Kars never replicated weapons before
No actually, all except D4C/BtD and Whitesnake would do nothing to Bayo.
Kars doesnt have the strength to pull something out of the hands of a 5-B person with Class T Lifting Strength. And yes, she can, hell Bayo has returned from temporal BFR before. Purgatorio is in fact connected to all human universes as its a constant parallel to the human universe.
And now i know youve never played a Bayonetta game if you think she wouldnt expect that when almost every major opponent can do the same thing. As ive already explained Bayo has fought and beaten people who use timestop the same way Kars does.
And yeah, all of two times, it isnt even close to his consistent portrayal of how he leads a fight.
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Bayo can also damage beings made of liquid metal, which were programmed by a god that is the source of all human knowledge to be bale to instantly adapt to best counter and defeat their opponent
She can also resist corrosion via resisting Iustitia's acid
She can also resist corrosion via resisting Iustitia's acid
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>Implying that more 6-B opponents will somehow prevent him from being oneshot. Ive already explained multiple times why Bayo's projectiles would work on D4C but you conveniently ignore it every single time. Bayo has sniped stuff from across a city before, she'd be able to hit him.
Yeah? What you think bayoneta can defeat all the kars before he lands a lethal blow or one decides to say screw it and tine stop and mih? No and if you think so get off it. Youre completely in denial. No you keep saying she can hit souls thus she can hit d4c or some shit. Guess what weekly. Projectiles dont work on d4c. Projectiles go through d4c and kars. As a passive effect . If that wasnt a thing that would work but it is a thing and a passivity at that. Yeah. Snipe from across a city? Because a bullet traveling 4km is quicker than kars thinking "time stop" or "made in hwaven " or "btd " or "d4c"? Try again mate.
>Yes, its canon. Sand is not completely intangible, if she hits him he's getting atomized through sheer AP.
Okay. But as ya said yourself. Key word there. "If". He can ya know do za warudo and mih which makes him untouchabke .
>Wow, youre really just ignoring everything i say arent you? She's not using a projectile, she's slicing and cutting. Bayo's bullets can hit cross-dimensionally so D4C is dead.
Tsk tsk Weekly but bayoneta lacks multidimensional or universe range on the profile and you yourself said purgatorio is not a universe or alternate any thing. Claiming bayoneta can snipe d4c from one of infinite universes is completely bullshit and hilariously false. Bayoneta wont be aware which of literal explicit infinity universes ultimate d4c went and by then he would of already obtained a ultimate kars as a host as thats a quite instant efect . And exactly cutting and slicing is far slower than d4c dimension hopping.
>Yes actually she has, Balder to be exact. D4C is a stand therefore a soul therefore it gets absorbed. And no, speed is equalized, there is no 'it can move faster than she can'. Yes, literally all moves and techniques are made equal, thats the entire point of speed equalization. Bayo's bullets scale to her speed.
I mean thats balders fault then. If he can time stop and he could of defeated bayoneta within time stop but didnt then thats pis and cis definitely a bad move on him. D4c a soul completely unreliant from and detached from kars weekly. Absorbing ultimate kars soul (which may ready be suspect. Absorbing an enemies soul and absorbing the amount kars has (37 of his own excluding stands of which arent factoring the countless soul discs he had as soul and mind duscs canonicaly come in a set). wont efect d4c. Ah so obviously ya havent been keeping up with the speed equalized debacle. Shit like thought based or gesture based attacks would be quicker on the draw. Then bullets or full body motiobs. Hell youre actually acting out prime examples of why the sped equal debate is going on and on .
>7.C-Moon can be resisted by sheer power, it would do nothing to Bayo
Youre showing a lack of awareness. Bayoneta resists the gravity manipulation from strength alone not the "mere contact turns things completely inside out" aspect.
>9. He needs biological material beforehand in order to do so or needs direct contact which Bayo definitely wouldnt allow.
Bayo doesnt have a choice when time stop activates or mih is activated. He does as he pleases or blitz literally nigh infinity times over .
>10. Again Bayo has fought and beaten people who use timestop the same way Kars does
Ah the good ol a>b>c logic huh? ya keep excluding the fact he can manhadle bayoneta within the time stop then ya exclude the fact he defintely would because he would be aware of the potential threat of bayoneta . Ya do realize all but btd can be used within time stop ?.
>11. Bayo has fought and beaten people who did the same thing.
Fought beings that can time stop and ohko while time stopped and beings that can at a thought amplify sped a decilion times over and would be fully aware of when to do that and how dangerous bayoneta would be meaning no pis bullshit . Which bayoneta did not do .
12. Purgatorio to return
False . Explained. Last post and below .
13. Mind hax resistance
a different variety. Dont think i didnt check prior. Almost all of white hax would work except the one mindhax method he doesnt even do at all .
14. An army of 6-Bs against a 5-B, how threatening, Bayo kills armies of 6-Bs on a daily basis.
Pulling the false analogy now weekly . An army of 6-Bs that can all ohko and can time stop and blitz a noctilionth times over with mih. Or btd. Or anything really. Army of evolving and adapting kars that cant be defeated unless all of the kars get defeated because of d4c and bayoneta wont defeat an e ture army before one gets a move on bayoneta while doing za warudo or mih or btd .
>15. Kars never replicated weapons before
But he sure as hell can replicate the effects or gain resustances making the weapon mundane. Also was mostly talking about any of the inate power of umbra witches and bayoneta .
>No actually, all except D4C/BtD and Whitesnake would do nothing to Bayo.
Except cmoon turning inside out. Or mih (reminder the kinetic energy also gets scaled with mih accelerating plus ultimate would be almost invicibke from speed alone ) and za warudo making bayoneta a siting duck of which cant do and would be at ultimate kars mercy .
>Kars doesnt have the strength to pull something out of the hands of a 5-B person with Class T Lifting Strength. And yes, she can, hell Bayo has returned from temporal BFR before. Purgatorio is in fact connected to all human universes as its a constant parallel to the human universe.
Its called phasing. He can biologically phase . Phase the weapons out if bayonetas hands and he could even manipulate bayonetas mind and brain manulaly efecting the body completely ah but before ya say "Bayoneta wont even give him a chance" za warudo and made are a thing . Tempora bfr? Ah ya mean bfr thats from the same timeline? Not a multiversal bfr? Gonna need a source on that one weekly. Also a constant parallel to all human universes? Cool already mentioned that. Doesnt mean its the same purgatorio . If purgatorio and the universe are made within a set then its gonna be a new different set. Read what my post saud because I already mentioned that.
>And now i know youve never played a Bayonetta game if you think she wouldnt expect that when almost every major opponent can do the same thing. As ive already explained Bayo has fought and beaten people who use timestop the same way Kars does.
Assumptions make an ass out of ya weekly . Ya aware of the saying man . Played bayoneta at launch and do have the sequel though have not played that one admittedly .
Because bayoneta asumes all users and oponents can time stop? Right also that doesnt do a lot when bayoneta cant prevent him from time stopping and ohkoing or God forbid ultimate made or btd . And yeah, all of two times, it isnt even close to his consistent portrayal of how he leads a fight. Also bayoneta sure as hell wont expect btd or d4c or a time stop that makes bayoneta and al actions avoidable and a waste . Also spoke punch ghosts that can esentially spawn on and ohko bayoneta while within distance .
Oh you mean the one and only time he actually fought and he fought for fun without actually trying to murder and even when given the chance he didnt do any lethal action ? Or the fact he didnt have most of his powers when he fought that one time and the moment he did get the powers he whipped the powers quite literally out immediatly and used said powers right away. And multiple times at that. In fact as far as time stop goes he used that on all potential combat scenarios after obtaing. Used against funny and dio. almost against kira but he used words and mind broke him and against dio again . Oh but funny ya didnt make a mention of the fact kars can would and then promptly understand which would lead ultimate doing a optimal plan and strategy to defeat bayoneta.
Bayoneta cpuld of engaged a billion time stop users despite any of bayonetas batles that wont prevent kars from doing the same and succeeding . Hell ultimate kars doesnt even need a time stop. Made and btd would make quick if not instantaneous work of bayoneta .
Cool. Did those liquid metal beings already have multiple easy to pull off options that bayoneta cant do any avoud while also cant counter because being blitz by made it time stopped . The answer is obviously no.
Good thing white doesnt do acid according to ya and kars acid work upon a cellular scale and he does have plenty of other options besides acid (which wouldnt even be ysed unless he can pull that off in which case probably a za warudo ).
Yeah? What you think bayoneta can defeat all the kars before he lands a lethal blow or one decides to say screw it and tine stop and mih? No and if you think so get off it. Youre completely in denial. No you keep saying she can hit souls thus she can hit d4c or some shit. Guess what weekly. Projectiles dont work on d4c. Projectiles go through d4c and kars. As a passive effect . If that wasnt a thing that would work but it is a thing and a passivity at that. Yeah. Snipe from across a city? Because a bullet traveling 4km is quicker than kars thinking "time stop" or "made in hwaven " or "btd " or "d4c"? Try again mate.
>Yes, its canon. Sand is not completely intangible, if she hits him he's getting atomized through sheer AP.
Okay. But as ya said yourself. Key word there. "If". He can ya know do za warudo and mih which makes him untouchabke .
>Wow, youre really just ignoring everything i say arent you? She's not using a projectile, she's slicing and cutting. Bayo's bullets can hit cross-dimensionally so D4C is dead.
Tsk tsk Weekly but bayoneta lacks multidimensional or universe range on the profile and you yourself said purgatorio is not a universe or alternate any thing. Claiming bayoneta can snipe d4c from one of infinite universes is completely bullshit and hilariously false. Bayoneta wont be aware which of literal explicit infinity universes ultimate d4c went and by then he would of already obtained a ultimate kars as a host as thats a quite instant efect . And exactly cutting and slicing is far slower than d4c dimension hopping.
>Yes actually she has, Balder to be exact. D4C is a stand therefore a soul therefore it gets absorbed. And no, speed is equalized, there is no 'it can move faster than she can'. Yes, literally all moves and techniques are made equal, thats the entire point of speed equalization. Bayo's bullets scale to her speed.
I mean thats balders fault then. If he can time stop and he could of defeated bayoneta within time stop but didnt then thats pis and cis definitely a bad move on him. D4c a soul completely unreliant from and detached from kars weekly. Absorbing ultimate kars soul (which may ready be suspect. Absorbing an enemies soul and absorbing the amount kars has (37 of his own excluding stands of which arent factoring the countless soul discs he had as soul and mind duscs canonicaly come in a set). wont efect d4c. Ah so obviously ya havent been keeping up with the speed equalized debacle. Shit like thought based or gesture based attacks would be quicker on the draw. Then bullets or full body motiobs. Hell youre actually acting out prime examples of why the sped equal debate is going on and on .
>7.C-Moon can be resisted by sheer power, it would do nothing to Bayo
Youre showing a lack of awareness. Bayoneta resists the gravity manipulation from strength alone not the "mere contact turns things completely inside out" aspect.
>9. He needs biological material beforehand in order to do so or needs direct contact which Bayo definitely wouldnt allow.
Bayo doesnt have a choice when time stop activates or mih is activated. He does as he pleases or blitz literally nigh infinity times over .
>10. Again Bayo has fought and beaten people who use timestop the same way Kars does
Ah the good ol a>b>c logic huh? ya keep excluding the fact he can manhadle bayoneta within the time stop then ya exclude the fact he defintely would because he would be aware of the potential threat of bayoneta . Ya do realize all but btd can be used within time stop ?.
>11. Bayo has fought and beaten people who did the same thing.
Fought beings that can time stop and ohko while time stopped and beings that can at a thought amplify sped a decilion times over and would be fully aware of when to do that and how dangerous bayoneta would be meaning no pis bullshit . Which bayoneta did not do .
12. Purgatorio to return
False . Explained. Last post and below .
13. Mind hax resistance
a different variety. Dont think i didnt check prior. Almost all of white hax would work except the one mindhax method he doesnt even do at all .
14. An army of 6-Bs against a 5-B, how threatening, Bayo kills armies of 6-Bs on a daily basis.
Pulling the false analogy now weekly . An army of 6-Bs that can all ohko and can time stop and blitz a noctilionth times over with mih. Or btd. Or anything really. Army of evolving and adapting kars that cant be defeated unless all of the kars get defeated because of d4c and bayoneta wont defeat an e ture army before one gets a move on bayoneta while doing za warudo or mih or btd .
>15. Kars never replicated weapons before
But he sure as hell can replicate the effects or gain resustances making the weapon mundane. Also was mostly talking about any of the inate power of umbra witches and bayoneta .
>No actually, all except D4C/BtD and Whitesnake would do nothing to Bayo.
Except cmoon turning inside out. Or mih (reminder the kinetic energy also gets scaled with mih accelerating plus ultimate would be almost invicibke from speed alone ) and za warudo making bayoneta a siting duck of which cant do and would be at ultimate kars mercy .
>Kars doesnt have the strength to pull something out of the hands of a 5-B person with Class T Lifting Strength. And yes, she can, hell Bayo has returned from temporal BFR before. Purgatorio is in fact connected to all human universes as its a constant parallel to the human universe.
Its called phasing. He can biologically phase . Phase the weapons out if bayonetas hands and he could even manipulate bayonetas mind and brain manulaly efecting the body completely ah but before ya say "Bayoneta wont even give him a chance" za warudo and made are a thing . Tempora bfr? Ah ya mean bfr thats from the same timeline? Not a multiversal bfr? Gonna need a source on that one weekly. Also a constant parallel to all human universes? Cool already mentioned that. Doesnt mean its the same purgatorio . If purgatorio and the universe are made within a set then its gonna be a new different set. Read what my post saud because I already mentioned that.
>And now i know youve never played a Bayonetta game if you think she wouldnt expect that when almost every major opponent can do the same thing. As ive already explained Bayo has fought and beaten people who use timestop the same way Kars does.
Assumptions make an ass out of ya weekly . Ya aware of the saying man . Played bayoneta at launch and do have the sequel though have not played that one admittedly .
Because bayoneta asumes all users and oponents can time stop? Right also that doesnt do a lot when bayoneta cant prevent him from time stopping and ohkoing or God forbid ultimate made or btd . And yeah, all of two times, it isnt even close to his consistent portrayal of how he leads a fight. Also bayoneta sure as hell wont expect btd or d4c or a time stop that makes bayoneta and al actions avoidable and a waste . Also spoke punch ghosts that can esentially spawn on and ohko bayoneta while within distance .
Oh you mean the one and only time he actually fought and he fought for fun without actually trying to murder and even when given the chance he didnt do any lethal action ? Or the fact he didnt have most of his powers when he fought that one time and the moment he did get the powers he whipped the powers quite literally out immediatly and used said powers right away. And multiple times at that. In fact as far as time stop goes he used that on all potential combat scenarios after obtaing. Used against funny and dio. almost against kira but he used words and mind broke him and against dio again . Oh but funny ya didnt make a mention of the fact kars can would and then promptly understand which would lead ultimate doing a optimal plan and strategy to defeat bayoneta.
Bayoneta cpuld of engaged a billion time stop users despite any of bayonetas batles that wont prevent kars from doing the same and succeeding . Hell ultimate kars doesnt even need a time stop. Made and btd would make quick if not instantaneous work of bayoneta .
Cool. Did those liquid metal beings already have multiple easy to pull off options that bayoneta cant do any avoud while also cant counter because being blitz by made it time stopped . The answer is obviously no.
Good thing white doesnt do acid according to ya and kars acid work upon a cellular scale and he does have plenty of other options besides acid (which wouldnt even be ysed unless he can pull that off in which case probably a za warudo ).
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Yeah also didnt mention but thats a bullshit and honestly unusable way of thinking at least on the subject of leading with shuraba because even though bayoneta doesnt lead with that often bayoneta does lead with more often than ultimate (which is actually false weekly )
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Just gonna point out that Bayo is gaining the ability to kill metaphysical beings and beings that are the manifestations of concepts
I'll respond to the rest when I get home
I'll respond to the rest when I get home
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Cool. That does literally nothing for the match. Or even chance any of my points weekly like .
And bayoneta is also losing the ap advantage at that.
"But ultimate kars profile only says hes 6-B?!."
Checked the calculation for him yesterday. There was actually a high 6-A calculation and theres also a different high 6-A feat. Wouldnt take any effort of changing that .
And bayoneta is also losing the ap advantage at that.
"But ultimate kars profile only says hes 6-B?!."
Checked the calculation for him yesterday. There was actually a high 6-A calculation and theres also a different high 6-A feat. Wouldnt take any effort of changing that .
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It would take a lot of effort actually considering the high 6-A end of the calc was unanimously rejected
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Ah yes. Between the entire two users that commented on that.
6-B was felt to be the safest. The multiple high 6-A end (30 second and water ) were handwave but not explicitly denied probably because the users that posted on that post only were looking at the calculation from anoutsude perspective . Especially seeing as the 30 second time frame may a low amount of time potentially.
Youre being dishonest when claiming the multiple high ends were rejected unanimously weekly .
Then there would be the big bang but using a surface area of 138 meters (for the moon).
6-B was felt to be the safest. The multiple high 6-A end (30 second and water ) were handwave but not explicitly denied probably because the users that posted on that post only were looking at the calculation from anoutsude perspective . Especially seeing as the 30 second time frame may a low amount of time potentially.
Youre being dishonest when claiming the multiple high ends were rejected unanimously weekly .
Then there would be the big bang but using a surface area of 138 meters (for the moon).
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Then also dune which should be high 6-A which would scale to kars das boot whitesnake za warudo man .
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The water from britain which probably would be easy use especially when the universes earth of that point was almost enturely water .
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Beats me although he should be able to regenerate his soul because dio explictly did that and his stands should of have Regenerationn .
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I hear you.
And you said that D4C and Killer Queen act whether he is around or not yes?
I don't explicity remember this from the novel and make no mistake I am not doubting your words, but in what instance did this occur.
Simply curious for that thread about that guy who would "absorb" Kars.
Because if these stands act independently from Kars then absorbing him would do nothing at all.
And you said that D4C and Killer Queen act whether he is around or not yes?
I don't explicity remember this from the novel and make no mistake I am not doubting your words, but in what instance did this occur.
Simply curious for that thread about that guy who would "absorb" Kars.
Because if these stands act independently from Kars then absorbing him would do nothing at all.
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Yeah.
When Dio removed and split half of his soul . (Also thats a thing in the manga also. Za warudo got punched and gored. Dio healed and za warudo healed with dio ).
When Dio removed and split half of his soul . (Also thats a thing in the manga also. Za warudo got punched and gored. Dio healed and za warudo healed with dio ).
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Actually, the Britain flip should be way higher. Kars flipped Britain alongside Morioh so fast, no one in Morioh noticed it was flipped.
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He flipped more than britain .
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@Jayslice
Correct.
Correct.
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Yeah the ship was gone. Burned above morioh.
Although ya probably can see although the country and the entirety of the seaflor and a bunch of the continental mas and crust was flipped also .
Also apparently enduring a big bang also high 6-A would be higher after doing the surface area of kars balon moon (5km diameter for a surface of1.81805km per kars making the balloon ).
Although ya probably can see although the country and the entirety of the seaflor and a bunch of the continental mas and crust was flipped also .
Also apparently enduring a big bang also high 6-A would be higher after doing the surface area of kars balon moon (5km diameter for a surface of1.81805km per kars making the balloon ).
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Ultimates original feat was multicontinental for a town to city feat. The moon feat .
Completely unrelated but apparently cruise missiles are town meaning joji would be upgraded by 0.5.
Completely unrelated but apparently cruise missiles are town meaning joji would be upgraded by 0.5.
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My version of the Novel doesn't have the images, sadly. I just remembered that Britain was underside Morioh (and Nero island on top, btw), then came Kars, crashed into, pushed Nero Island away, flipped Morioh, and raised Britain from the underside. And it happened so fast, no one knew why they were seeing fishes swiming upside down in Morioh's sky.
By the way, he couldn' have flipped sea floor nor continental crust, because the islands had legs with which they were moving. They weren't uh... "Glued"? to the planet.
By the way, he couldn' have flipped sea floor nor continental crust, because the islands had legs with which they were moving. They weren't uh... "Glued"? to the planet.
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I mean ya say that but the picture above shows britain plus a shit ton more being flipped .
What ya said would be true but despite that that doesnt mean he couldnt of flipped what was obviously shown on panel also man .
Not a mutually exclusive thing lephyr .
What ya said would be true but despite that that doesnt mean he couldnt of flipped what was obviously shown on panel also man .
Not a mutually exclusive thing lephyr .
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Narration suggest otherwise. Anyway, will stop the spam.
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