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Kars vs Anos

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TokiNoOuja said:
Can i ask,i don't too much read MGG but what the reason Anos CM is 99+ above baseline?is that because Anos can destroys the silver sea who each of layer has deeper Concept from the swallow ones??
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Due to the difference of the layers in general
 
Just because something X NEP exists in a verse does not mean that a character can adapt to that something X in the verse, so for that same reason Kars cannot affect NEP nor is it NEP. or Idk if Kars can affect NEP1
 
Dereck03 said:
Just because something X NEP exists in a verse does not mean that a character can adapt to that something X in the verse, so for that same reason Kars cannot affect NEP nor is it NEP.
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I mean, Kars could adapt to Anos nep if Josuke8 bubbles were NEP 2, but it isnt NEP 2, josuke bubbles are just NEP 1, so, yeah, Kars cant adapt to Anos NEP
 
Dereck03 said:
Just because something X NEP exists in a verse does not mean that a character can adapt to that something X in the verse, so for that same reason Kars cannot affect NEP nor is it NEP. or Idk if Kars can affect NEP1
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it's NLFstated that Kars can understands everything, just like 682, since basically SBR universe is canon in the novel. The entire past,present and future of that is canon in the novel.
Bernkastelll said:
I mean, Kars could adapt to Anos nep if Josuke8 bubbles were NEP 2, but it isnt NEP 2, josuke bubbles are just NEP 1, so, yeah, Kars cant adapt to Anos NEP
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that's not what he is saying tho
 
Why scale Josuke's bubbles, since Jorge Joestar was written years before this ability was a thing and also Jojolion is not mentioned in the novel either?

And another question is, why do all of Jojo's hax scale to Novel Kars? lol
 
WyattR612 said:
Why scale Josuke's bubbles, since Jorge Joestar was written years before this ability was a thing and also Jojolion is not mentioned in the novel either?

And another question is, why do all of Jojo's hax scale to Novel Kars? lol
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because SBR universe is canon, time isn't a factor.

because he is an adapt users.
 
manu_zarri said:
there is no FRA
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Dereck03 said:
By wiki standards, Anos would win because he can keep erasing Kars continuously, without Kars having a chance against Anos, or better yet Anos seals Kars and that's it.
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This ^
manu_zarri said:
Kars have a lot of discs with his stands duped. and im pretty sure that there are others Kars D4C users in AU's
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I don't think that there would be more Kars nor D4C if Anos destroys his origin/uses his demon eyes. Also, does the other Kars come without the need of original Kars' D4C? I heard that a way to bypass Kars' 2-A immortality without the need of have 2-A range is just destroy D4C
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
This ^
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Got debunked by me with proving it isn't wiki standards here:
manu_zarri said:
that's no win, win for SBA is Death of the opponent, removing the opponent from the battlefield for at least one week (BFR), knocking the opponent out for at least one hour, or incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day.

also it's false he can't do nothing, disc sleep is a thing, and concept type 3 actually aren't superior to normal abilities
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JustANormalPerson01 said:
I don't think that there would be more Kars nor D4C if Anos destroys his origin/uses his demon eyes. Also, does the other Kars come without the need of original Kars' D4C? I heard that a way to bypass Kars' 2-A immortality without the need of have 2-A range is just destroy D4C
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The point of destroying D4C for get rid of D4C pseudo acausality borns from SBR, which they says the only way to his to hit him to the brain because it wouldn't go in other bodies for some reason i guess. so people assumed "ye destroying stand is also good idea for get rid of this", though they are wrong, "stand crush" takes time as showed here with Dio. which gived time to go in other bodies, and even that, if i remember correctly in JJ novel there are more D4C users, and D4C users are a multi-dimensional body meaning they are aware of stuff (kars itself is aware of beyond which see jojo multiverses as mere fiction so). also concept type 3 are material and tangibible
 
also it's false he can't do nothing, disc sleep is a thing, and concept type 3 actually aren't superior to normal abilities
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He can't do anything that's all
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
K, then I guess that's incon, unless Anos has some wincon, since I don't think that Kars can do something against NEP type 2
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Anos Erase Kars indefinitely, but as this is SBA it will remain as Incon since incap does not count here.
 
manu_zarri said:
Incap is a thing but this isn't incap. he dosen't make Kars like sleep or stamina reductioned
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My bad, I mean since Anos is the only one who will be erasing Kars indefinitely but will not be able to kill him permanently.
 
This should not even count, it is the same if we put a Super haxed character with CM3 and tons of resistances against a normal character with Acausality 5, the character with Aca 5 would not be able to do anything against the other while the other could easily stomp him but cannot affect him.
 
Dereck03 said:
This should not even count, it is the same if we put a Super haxed character with CM3 and tons of resistances against a normal character with Acausality 5, the character with Aca 5 would not be able to do anything against the other while the other could easily stomp him but cannot affect him.
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you know we have tons of match like that added in profile? 96% of incon matches are like that.
 
manu_zarri said:
whatever Anos dosen't resist with his physical body, probably Conceptual Understanding skill. nothing against nep type 2.
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Well, NLF would be that Kars could "Understand" 99+ Layers of CM, other than that he has no way to affect or even manage to incapacitate Anos, plus since he can't even do anything against NEP2 and Anos, he won't stop Anos from going full NEP2, plus in order to nullify/comprehend/copy or whatever against anos you have to be able to affect his source since all of Anos' powers come from the source, and since kars can't adapt or affect NEP2 he has no chance against Anos
 
Dereck03 said:
Well, NLF would be that Kars could "Understand" 99+ Layers of CM, other than that he has no way to affect or even manage to incapacitate Anos, plus since he can't even do anything against NEP2 and Anos, he won't stop Anos from going full NEP2, plus in order to nullify/comprehend/copy or whatever against anos you have to be able to affect his source since all of Anos' powers come from the source, and since kars can't adapt or affect NEP2 he has no chance against Anos
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CM3 is physical, if it's 2-B then kars understand because he understanded things higher than 2-B. for nep2 whatever, either Anos can't full destroy kars, he lacks of range
 
manu_zarri said:
CM3 is physical, if it's 2-B then kars understand because he understanded things higher than 2-B. for nep2 whatever, either Anos can't full destroy kars, he lacks of range
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Anos Cm3 is not just physical, it is enough to affect beings without Body, Source (The source is the concept of existence, and it defines all aspects of an individual. It exists beyond the body, soul and mind, and thus shouldn't be confused with either of them. It also exists across the present, past and future. Only specific magic spells like <Bebesd> or weapons like <Venuzdonoa> can interact with the source. If a target's source is destroyed, they would be erased from existence at a conceptual level), NEP2 beings, Reasons, Principles, Etc.... And Yeah, he lacks of range, that's the only thing that saves kars, cuz he can't do anything againts Anos
 
Dereck03 said:
Anos Cm3 is not just physical, it is enough to affect beings without Body, Source (The source is the concept of existence, and it defines all aspects of an individual. It exists beyond the body, soul and mind, and thus shouldn't be confused with either of them. It also exists across the present, past and future. Only specific magic spells like <Bebesd> or weapons like <Venuzdonoa> can interact with the source. If a target's source is destroyed, they would be erased from existence at a conceptual level)
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Im pretty sure then it should be changed to CM2, since CM3 are actually physical things.
Dereck03 said:
he lacks of range, that's the only thing that saves kars, cuz he can't do anything againts Anos
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don't worry, soon Kars will get some upgrade.
 
manu_zarri said:
Im pretty sure then it should be changed to CM2, since CM3 are actually physical things.

don't worry, soon Kars will get some upgrade.
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Huh, so all feats that anos has affecting, disturbing, destroying Rumors, Orders, Fate, Principles, Reasons, NEP2 Beings, Non-Physical beings, Etc are just physical??? ok fair enough... Broo... Basically CM 3 and 2 are the same... The only difference it's one govern the reality and the other no, And yeah, Anos Should have type 2 instead of type 3... And don't worry too... Anos will get a massively upgrade in few days
 
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