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Kakashi Hatake vs Espeon

As I see it, Espeon has no way to even hit Kakashi, who can go intangible while flying. The FRA don't even address how Espeon would win really. It's just copy paste lol
 
Fair on Kamui, but Kakashi needs to aim and concentrate like he did for Deidara, plus Kamui isnt the most easy for him to spam, even war arc Kakashi. And Espeon can always dodge it using stuff like Detect.

Kakashi's intangibility doesn't last that long plus isnt Kamui intangibility just teleporting different parts of the body to the kamui dimension to make it intangible? I might be getting it mixed up since im going off of the Obito fight. Also, whats stopping Espeon from just restricting Kakashi via telekinesis?
 
Kamui was quite easy to spam in the last arc. Aiming is no problem, he reacted to Pain's nail point blank. Sharingan can keep track of Espeon, it's very good at that.

Kamui lasts for 5 minutes, that's more than enough here. How would TK work while Kakashi is intangible? Kakashi can also fly, that's beyond Espeon's reach.
 
Easy how? Sure he can spam it but not effortlessly use it and be totally uneffected. Obtio's sharingans just lessened the fatigue side effects basically. And even if aiming isn't a problem, Espeon can still dodge via detect and precog.

Yes but like I said, im pretty sure Kamui tangibility isn't full on intangibility as it teleports different parts of the body to the kamui dimension to make them intangible in the normal one, so Espeon could try and pull off something like Naruto did when he hurt Obitio with Rasengan. Also, why wouldnt psychic based stuff work on intangibles? They aren't physical conventional forces, so Espeon could still just use telekinesis to pin Kakashi down long enough to pull of something like yawn or Future Sight.
 
The reason Naruto hurt Obito is because Kakashi warped the rasengan into the kamui dimension. And I don't think that Espeon would be able to find a hole in the Intangibility if Konan couldn't with her 5 minute rapid fire explosions. TK on an intangible thing is iffy-- since there's nothing there. Air might be effected by TK because you can manipulate the atoms and subatomic particles to do certain things, but Kakashi's not physically there. So...
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Yes but like I said, im pretty sure Kamui tangibility isn't full on intangibility as it teleports different parts of the body to the kamui dimension to make them intangible in the normal one, so Espeon could try and pull off something like Naruto did when he hurt Obitio with Rasengan. Also, why wouldnt psychic based stuff work on intangibles? They aren't physical conventional forces, so Espeon could still just use telekinesis to pin Kakashi down long enough to pull of something like yawn or Future Sight.
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Naruto only hit Obito because Kakashi was helping him, as Kakashi had Obito's eyes. Naruto has blitzed Obito before in Biju Mode and nothing happened. Psychic attacks don't work on intangibles, especially cross dimensional. Telekinesis' effect is still physical, it doesn't affect astral realm. It won't work on Kakashi.

Espeon has zero way to hit Kakashi, Kakashi can basically one shot.
 
Telekinesis is definitely not physical. Not unless it's like psystrike, which is actually explicitly physical. There's nothing from telekinesis, not even conventional stuff. Like Amexim said, while iffy there's no reason why it wouldn't affect Kakashi even if intangible. And would he become intangible in time?

Also, this one shotting stuff is also isnt happening as easy as you make it. Espeon still avoids his stuff via Detect and still has precog so she isnt sitting doing nothing.
 
Mm yeah if this is kakashi using DMS he wins with low difficulty. Pretty much permanently intangible and kamui shuriken oneshot. Espeon cant do much of anything here.
 
No, Kakashis intangiblity only lasts 5 minutes, its even a weakness noted for him on his page and his Kamui shruiken can be dodged via Espeon precog and detect.

And what stops Espeon from pulling off TK or stuff like Yawn before Kakashi has the chance to go intangible?
 
The reason I said pretty much is because this fight will be over within five minutes. May aswell be intangible 24/7. Doesnt matter.

Because it requires a thought and no outwardly actions. And hes much more likely to do that first than Espeon using yawn or such.
 
Still, its heavily debatable that Espeons TK and other psychic stuff can still work so there's that. Also, both would do their stuff ik but with speed equal who'd be the first one to do said stuff?

@Knight

It's clarified higher above. And Espeon also had stuff like Future Sight.
 
@Kukui

Gotta be more specific. How good is said precog? Is it sound based? Mind based? How far can it see into the future?
 
Its not debatable, Joseph already mentioned it being useless and I echo what he said. Espeon cannot TK someone in another dimension nor has it ever been implied it could do so.

>Other psychic stuff

None if which has been shown or implied to work in such a manner that is required to defeat kamui.

>who does it first

The one who does it in character and requires the least actions to do so.
 
When did I say she can do that? I'm saying she'd be TKing the parts of Kakashis body that are left in the normal dimension. Plus IIRC Kakashi cannot transport his entire body to the Kamui dimension, he only sends that parts that are directly targeted by opponent attacks. However correct this if wrong as this is going off of the Obito fight.

And who would have the least actions? That's what I'm asking.

@Knight

Again, that stuff is already posted higher up in the thread by others so if you want clarification on her pre-cog you can read the previous replies.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
When did I say she can do that? I'm saying she'd be TKing the parts of Kakashis body that are left in the normal dimension. Plus IIRC Kakashi cannot transport his entire body to the Kamui dimension, he only sends that parts that are directly targeted by opponent attacks. However correct this if wrong as this is going off of the Obito fight.
And who would have the least actions? That's what I'm asking.

@Knight

Again, that stuff is already posted higher up in the thread by others so if you want clarification on her pre-cog you can read the previous replies.
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noe are left in a normal world. its the kakashi version that works on pieces
 
The way the Kamui intangibility works is that it makes him entirely intangible. That's why Minato had to finesse Tobi. Tobi has to be tangible to grab people physically. The same way when he was trying to grab Naruto— when might guy and Kakashi attacked him and Obito made his hand phase through Naruto to become intangible. If this wasn't true, Obito would have gotten Naruto in that exchange.

Full intangibility.
 
Espeon has zero way to do anything to Kakashi, telekinesis has never affected any intangibles since it's still limited to physical realm. Kakashi's intangibility is crossdimensional, far above Espeon's paygrade. Kakashi can easily one shot, detect will only stall until Kakashi hits bulleye with sharingan tracking. Kakashi low-mid difficulty

And yes, Kamui is not only complete intangibility, it's also passive. Kakashi's bodycan only be touched when he's trying to attack physically. However he can attack while intangible with Kamui raikiri, which would take care of him being touched in any way. Espeon is basically Nagato without soul rip, whom DMS Kakashi would stomp really.
 
Shit stomp with double Kamui because number one its double the speed and if people wanna call me narutard for saying this that his susanoo one shots Espeon then so be it but Kamui shuriken one shots Espeon
 
Amexim said:
The way the Kamui intangibility works is that it makes him entirely intangible. That's why Minato had to finesse Tobi. Tobi has to be tangible to grab people physically. The same way when he was trying to grab Naruto— when might guy and Kakashi attacked him and Obito made his hand phase through Naruto to become intangible. If this wasn't true, Obito would have gotten Naruto in that exchange.

Full intangibility.
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Forgot about this.

This isnt true according to his page, which lists it as only limited.

Perhaps a CRT is in order?
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Forgot about this.

This isnt true according to his page, which lists it as only limited.

Perhaps a CRT is in order?
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limited as it has a time limit if used continuosly and is not actual intangibility
 
@Kukui: Obito's profile is poorly done. Naruto profiles in general need a lot of improvement, but nobody is interested
 
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