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kakashi downgrade
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I am entirely okay with it, if it follows some easier to understand reasoning.
Still, running this past Kep later to make sure should be good.
Still, running this past Kep later to make sure should be good.
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@Lsir, see thats why we had that arguement yesterday. u still dont understand what i said after all this time. i disagree with his tier as it implies that he can "pull off" attacks at that same level, which we know he cant, but still give him the same tier anyways just because him and guy are rivals.
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I can tell you right now Kakashi won't be downgraded for only one simple reason. Sharingan doesn't determine AP and Kakashi may not use chidori anymore but he has more than enough ccakra control for his other jutsu to work on that level. Simple as that. Age doesn't determine AP at all unless your in the same age category as Onoki or Hiruzen who still was strong asf.
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i already let that go, as people would rather die than to downgrade him
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No one can find a reason to downgrade him not that people would rather die bruh
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he shows no feats at all, and is compared to people weaker than even his war arc self, so yeah, i do think he got weaker. but u do u.
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What feats?? He still has the same feats from the war arc cause he is physically 7A bruh. That's chakra control and so there is nothing proving Kage Kakashi got weaker at all.
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what feats? fighting boruto? cutting that things tail? maybe not getting hurt by some weak ass genin?
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i didnt think it made him. im not even the one who said that actually lol i dont think he got physically weaker either, but there is no reason for him to be put in a tier where in his war self seems to clearly supirior. even if we go by jutsu, he cant even pull off his best one and its variants, nor can he keep up with faster and stronger people. even being more accurate and figuring out people's jutsu is out of his arsenal now.
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His best jutsus are High 6-B and hax. W/o that he's 7-A+ so there's nothing suggesting he's weaker than before despite lacking the Sharingan.
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considering that nothing but some insane scaling puts him there in the first place.... i wonder how people rationally think that kakashi is actually a mountain buster. how can u even invision that? people want him to be strong so bad that they compare him to someone who makes island sized explosions just becuase they fought from time to time. i love this wiki, i really do, but sometimes man lol
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That's power scaling for you.
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He is Mountain+ because he can harm Mountain+ characters that take hits from other Mountain+. Kakashi is where he is because he has the feats and it makes sense, not because people like him.
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yeah. the hate i got from trying to be more reasonable is just, lemme guess, misplaced? im sorry to say, but neither of us know everything, nor do we see everything. u can speak for urself (and maybe even lie), but u cant speak for everybody else. i like logical things, and i thought that people could appreciate that, but i was wrong. u will then follow to say something about how i was wrong anyways, and etc etc. im tired of speaking of this. i already said what i had to say man, but people are too bias sometimes. they gotta stick with what they like and believe in. actually, if a mod could close this, it would be nice.
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Dude we're just trying to help you understand. There are lots of(hundreds) other profiles just like Kakashi. We dont won't u to be confused with how other profiles are set up as well
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i know how they are set up lol otherwise, i wouldnt even have a way of having something agaisnt. look im not mad or frustrated. im just disappointed. i was actually expecting people to listen to what i had to say. instead, they kinda dismissed it because they thought their proof was proof enough
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There wasn't any argument, there was just me being done with the fact that you can't understand the very simple way we do things. And then you put on an attitude when things don't go on your way. Like logical things? What in the nine heavens is logical about " didn't want to get into that cuz the amount of fanboys here is humoungus" or "i guess sakura is 5b cuz she damaged kaguya. and its in the manga, so its legit. do what u gotta do, am i right?"? Not just downright rude, but using fallacious logic. I am not sure how I am supposed to take an stance that doesn't seem willing to change with this kind of tone to boot seriously.
And that's the thing, I am not saying it to be mean, I seriously don't know what I'd be getting out of arguing further because it doesn't seem you'll relent, or that you even understand my point. Concede to the fact that Kakashi very consistently matches and hurts people in the Mountain+ AP range, we aren't just being unflexible fanboys, and you may be on the tracks to have your words being heard more.
And that's the thing, I am not saying it to be mean, I seriously don't know what I'd be getting out of arguing further because it doesn't seem you'll relent, or that you even understand my point. Concede to the fact that Kakashi very consistently matches and hurts people in the Mountain+ AP range, we aren't just being unflexible fanboys, and you may be on the tracks to have your words being heard more.
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I was being sarcastic hahaha OMG I was right all along. Thanks for proving my point. U may not be a fanboy, but certainly are a fan, and that seems to be enough in this case
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Still a fallacy tho.
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no shit sherlock. she was pullin a shin on kaguya lol
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That's literally all you can reply with and you expect me to take you seriously?
Oh sure, I've criticized Naruto since years but I don't agree so I am a fan. Another good theory with no backing like the other ones.
Oh sure, I've criticized Naruto since years but I don't agree so I am a fan. Another good theory with no backing like the other ones.
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nah, my arguement is that while other characters around him may be of said tier, he literally is only on the same tier as them because of pure ass scaling, which is quite absurd considering his previous showings, not to mention to that the scalin here is extremely ******* lengthy, so its not like this is even direct scaling. another arguement i made is that kakashi couldnt even realisticly pull off an attack of this scale. that good enough? ps i just noticed how much of hypocrite u are man. but hey, at least u dont live in florida
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I still don't see the proof of Kakashi being significantly weaker than before.
He can't pull of an attack at that scale, but he's still comparable to characters of that scale.
Dismissing powerscaling means redoing 99.9999% of the wiki, since not every character has feats on certain levels.
He can't pull of an attack at that scale, but he's still comparable to characters of that scale.
Dismissing powerscaling means redoing 99.9999% of the wiki, since not every character has feats on certain levels.
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are u still on that? i gave u my reasons already, whether u agree or not is up to u.
of course he is comparable. but not a single one of the characters that fought him that were 7a used their "7A" worthy attacks on him. for one, obito who is famous for fighting him, cant damage him with his most poweful fire style, but a headbutt could leave bruises? do i need to point out how ridiculous that is? but yet again, we have kakashi's raikiri damaging the mask. that means that not only is a raikiri stronger than kcm naruto's durability, it is also stronger than one of ay's punches, which could damage the 8 tails, who could in turn tank its own bijuu dama. yay, now we have bijuu dama lvl punches for ay. which is comparable to raikiri. good good. bijuu dama is now comparable to the raikiri and vice versa. i feel like kakashi needs an upgrade now. how about u?
of course he is comparable. but not a single one of the characters that fought him that were 7a used their "7A" worthy attacks on him. for one, obito who is famous for fighting him, cant damage him with his most poweful fire style, but a headbutt could leave bruises? do i need to point out how ridiculous that is? but yet again, we have kakashi's raikiri damaging the mask. that means that not only is a raikiri stronger than kcm naruto's durability, it is also stronger than one of ay's punches, which could damage the 8 tails, who could in turn tank its own bijuu dama. yay, now we have bijuu dama lvl punches for ay. which is comparable to raikiri. good good. bijuu dama is now comparable to the raikiri and vice versa. i feel like kakashi needs an upgrade now. how about u?
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