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Kaiser vs Sukuna
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EldemadeDityjon
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Could go either way I guess.
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EldemadeDityjon
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In this key, Sukuna starts with TS. He wouldn't cast Domain if not necessary. Fenryl can be spammed anywhere within Kaiser's vicinity, which will give her an advantage and can also negate Regeneration. Her invincible inventory Danmaku should be able take him out, knowing her AP scales above Sukuna's durability. Even if he has RCT, I don't think he can survive that. Though this might change if he spams DE. To adapt to Kaiser, Mahoraga will take some time, so his best option is DE. Either he gets smoked by invincible inventory Danmaku or he smokes her with malevolent kitchen. Btw most of his immortality are useless if his head gets removed from his body or his brain gets destroyed.
This is what I think m
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Kaiser, with prior knowledge that Sukuna doesn't possess Shinsoo, will start with matter paralysis. From then on, the battle is already won since Kaiser always takes battles seriously, even against fodders; and she knows about Sukuna's regeneration level and Mahoraga's adaptation.
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Doesn't he need to make hand signs to use his de?
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And? It's basically one fell movement which he can do precisely due to his experience.
Also, can Kaiser even see him? He has invisibility of the type that spirits have and so far ToG people haven't really had any esp feats of the sort. The only time was them seeing souls but it probably just means souls are visible in ToG.
EldemadeDityjon
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Well it depends on if Kaiser is worthy to play with or insta kill.
If he likes her he would take long route otherwise he would spam domain or try to cleave her like he did with Ryu. It depends on his mood.
Hiiilt
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i'm not very knowledgeable about ToG but are her attacks thought based? if they are then she could paralize him before he opens his domain
i thought only his shikigami were invisible
both have pretty good wincons and can end the battle in an instant
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Matter paralysis can be used both through hand movement and through.
??????????????? Kaiser's whole thing is invisible and undetectable attacks/wolf and she can see her own attacks/wolf.
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Literally doesn't matter. Material invisibility, energy-based invisibility and spiritual invisibility are different things and you need different levels of senses to see them. Sukuna has spiritual invisibility and Kaiser has never shown any capability of seeing invisible spirits or ghosts or anything of the sort.
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Dude, are you ok??? FENRIR is a spirit.
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Source?
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nvm right he is possessing Yuji's body. His cleaves and such would absolutely be invisible to Kaiser doe.
1) 'Like' a spirit, not an actual spirit. Considering Lo Po Bia's whole thing is taming creatures and summoning them at will it just supports this further.Season 2;Chapter 216.
2) Still not invisible.
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Are you seriously going to only mention what is convenient for you from what I posted??? Now you're just being purposely annoying.
"THE WOLF THAT SHE COMMANDS ISN'T A REAL, LIVING CREATURE"
"YOU CAN'T SEE IT AT ALL UNTIL IT APPEARS"
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And you're being obstinate about basic summoning
Doesn't matter at all
1) can be explained away as summoning or teleportation. Heck you can't see shinsoo attacks either before they're created.
2) but does it say that Elaine can see it at all before she makes it appear?
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if you've no resistance to matter immobilization you're basically gonna be frozen until the user decides to stop or is out of range probably
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she never really uses it. Baam is more so the type of guy to use it but not Kaiser, no.
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Headcanon, summoning was never mentioned, it was never even said that Fenryl is somewhere else, all that was said is that he is invisible until he appears.
Tower of God - [Season 2] Ep. 216
What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever you desire—it's here.
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Her skill is high. At least a few hundred years of combat experience. She mostly remained in her hidden chambers for most of her 1000 years of life.
She does surpass Inieta and others who are exceptionally skilled and have countless years of combat under their wing.
Her main skill is her invisible weapons inventory which is almost danmaku, are homing and it moves in ways that are almost unpredictable and it took Baam a lot of skill to evade (Baam being a guy who has not only dealt with homing semi-danmaku before but one who has fused hundreds of martial arts into his own unpredictable style and outskilled people who have been in combat for hundreds of years.
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Practically no one in the entire verse uses it because everyone and their mother is resistant to it, she will use it because she has prior knowledge about Sukuna and will know that he can't resist it.
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We're arguing whether Kaiser can see spirits or not. If she can't this becomes invisible attacker vs invisible attacker
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The only headcanon here is that Kaiser can see it before it appears. Hell even if she could that'd still likely be a thing related to her connection with the wolf rather than actual extrasensory perception since literally no regular or irregular can see it before it appears.
Headcanon, summoning was never mentioned, it was never even said that Fenryl is somewhere else, all that was said is that he is invisible until he appears.
Tower of God - [Season 2] Ep. 216
What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever you desire—it's here.
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You're so smart, can you give me a scan of this supposed other place Fenryl is? Scan about Kaiser using summoning? You can't?Headcanon.
Her whole strategy revolves around making an opening in a sea of attacks to take the enemy to where Fenryl is and somehow you think she does this without knowing where Fenryl is???
AND? her connection with a spirit allows her to see spirits, Sukuna's attacks will be seen.
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Fenryl is a spiritual shinheuh, he was invisible and intangible when it was full spirit mode, he was visible when interacting with the world
Arguing that Elaine can see Spirits due to her special connection with Fenryl is a new one though
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But do you think Kaiser could see it before it became visible?
The opening was to draw Baam in and then summon Fenryl. If she could see Fenryl at all times she wouldn't have just summoned him and kept him in the fight, she coud've continued using the strategy of having it appear and disappear constantly. Instead she clearly commands him to appear and only then he appears and bites Baam and remains visible throughout the fight. It feels a lot more reasonable that in his passive state he stays close to his master until she commands him to appear and then he stays visible.
Also it wasn't her whole strategy either it was an early strategy she used for a quick win. Just saying.
It's definitely not a surefire explanation but hear me out. Most abilities in the towers are somewhat standardized - as in - if one regular can use it there's gonna be another regular who can achieve it. Exceptions are obviously irregulars, ancients, law breakers and some specific individuals (like Luslec). In case of others they usually have at least something partially achievable. In my eyes it wouldn't make sense that this one specific type of regulars in this specific family has the ability as huge as seeing a completely different type of entities that others can't see at all or even detect them with whatever object they have in their posession. It would make more sense that they have this specific connection with their anima than them having the ability to see into the spirit realm. It's more closer to speculation though. i am more so arguing against her seeing it at all.
