Kai (Ninjago) VS Kamen Rider Stronger: Who's Stronger??? (0-8-0) GRACE STARTED

[Lloydblitzed]

If 1.21 Gigawatts Jay scan was added into his profile, the Lightning wouldn't even be a discussion

Why didn't u send the scan from the beginning?

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Honestly Kamen rider stronger side is looking more convincing as Kais side is lacking the evidences and is missing out.


Stronger FRA

 

[AigerTheKing]

Why didn't u send the scan from the beginning?

For the same reason I don't pull out the "Spinjitzu and blitz everything" at first in the other Kai threads

 

[ZeedKZ]

So its action based? Then Kai just blitz and stomp

I'm genuinely concerned about why you've come to a conclusion that is totally nonsensical and disconnected from what I've argued. How did you manage to associate Stronger directly ignoring absorption and denial of electricity against physically weaker beings, Stronger being drained of electricity from being beaten by someone actually MUCH stronger than him, with such resistance being activated? Elaborate further the blitz, because so far nothing stops from Stronger just ranging electricity and killing Kai. And a stomp ain't happening here as they don't even have the AP gap necessary, so are the hacks for everything we've discussed (mostly ignored by y'all, sadly).

Are you serious?

Key word: Limited, please, read carefully (how many times I've said that?)

If 1.21 Gigawatts Jay scan was added into his profile, the Lightning wouldn't even be a discussion

Technically still weaker as +3 million amperes + 100,000 volts kinda sums in 300 gigawatts.

 

[BERRIES555]

Stronger FRA

 

[AigerTheKing]

Elaborate further the blitz

I already sent a clip of why Spinjitzu is a speedblitz level amp (here's one more). Do we really need to elaborate on that again?

, because so far nothing stops from Stronger just ranging electricity and killing Kai.

That won't happen due to speedblitz. (And not every single of Stronger's attacks scales to millions of amperes, only 1 does)

And a stomp ain't happening here as they don't even have the AP gap necessary, so are the hacks for everything we've discussed (mostly ignored by y'all, sadly).

Match won by speedblitz by weaker chars are considered stomps. Only reason Kai wins matchups fairly is throughts arguments without Spinjitzu

Key word: Limited, please, read carefully (how many times I've said that?)

Re-read justification on the matter on page 2

Technically still weaker as +3 million amperes + 100,000 volts kinda sums in 300 gigawatts.

3M amperes is throught Electro Steam, which is visibly an action based technique and won't resolve the blitz issue. Oh and btw Kai can do this each time lightning is shot at him, and solve the ground lightning thing with Flight. This is insanely unfair

 

[AigerTheKing]

I'm genuinely concerned about why you've come to a conclusion that is totally nonsensical and disconnected from what I've argued. How did you manage to associate Stronger directly ignoring absorption and denial of electricity against physically weaker beings,

"I can power absorb you by touching you = I can power absorb you from a range without touching you" ah argument

Stronger being drained of electricity from being beaten by someone actually MUCH stronger than him, with such resistance being activated?

He needed water to regain that electricity

 

[Kamenriderblaze]

"I can power absorb you by touching you = I can power absorb you from a range without touching you" ah argument

what kind of argument is this ?

both are power absorbtion but one absorb simpy by contact while othe absorb by distant, so what ? what make them so different other simply one being contact and one being distant , both are litterly use to take other power

 

[ZeedKZ]

I already sent a clip of why Spinjitzu is a speedblitz level amp (here's one more). Do we really need to elaborate on that again?

Wait... the characters spinning a lot... is the speedblitzing...? How does that even relates to speedblitzing? Is there any official multiplier? Because this is literally just increasing their mobility, something Stronger can do via electricity and Kabutoro. Plus again, nothing stops Kabuto Catcher in immediately analyzing Kai's combat behavior and viewing him at slow motion.

Ok, I see, they look from the outside, and everything slows down, so a perception amp? Regardless, not stopping from Stronger just realizing what happened and pulls out a killing blow via electricity or power nulling it.

(And not every single of Stronger's attacks scales to millions of amperes, only 1 does)

I know, just that any of his average dosages would kill Kai.

Match won by speedblitz by weaker chars are considered stomps. Only reason Kai wins matchups fairly is throughts arguments without Spinjitzu

Which is probably the most bizarre reasoning I've ever seen in this site. Welp, thankfully Stronger counters that.

Re-read justification on the matter on page 2

Such fails to answer any of my questionings.

3M amperes is throught Electro Steam, which is visibly an action based technique and won't resolve the blitz issue. Oh and btw Kai can do this each time lightning is shot at him, and solve the ground lightning thing with Flight. This is insanely unfair

My point is that Stronger' electricity is vastly higher regardless of what you just brought. And Kai would just empower him by shooting the only element Stronger can use here. And flight, eh... pray to Ishinomori Shotaro that Stronger doesn't brings a thunderstorm to Andy's room. This is truly insanely unfair... for Kai.

"I can power absorb you by touching you = I can power absorb you from a range without touching you" ah argument

Yes, it would be bizarre to argue they do not resist an ability of the same potency because their application is different. No one ever argues one cannot resist an electric beam of 100,000 volts because they only resist 100,000 volts through object induction.

He needed water to regain that electricity

Congratulations, you completely ignored everything of what I've said in that post. Please, that was a TOTALLY different scenario for the first instance of the resistance. Stronger needed water to regain electricity lost over a beating of a guy massively stronger than him, that scenario is nonexistent here. I won't be repeating this again.

 

[AigerTheKing]

both are power absorbtion but one absorb simpy by contact while othe absorb by distant, so what ? what make them so different other simply one being contact and one being distant , both are litterly use to take other power

They don't work the same way, that's the difference (Not only that, but Kai can litterally negate his ability to gain his power back, and his power absorption/negation upscales to Low 1-C for reasons in page 2)

Wait... the characters spinning a lot... is the speedblitzing...? How does that even relates to speedblitzing?

They become so fast the guys comparable to them in speed are suddently percieved as slow motion characters. Even here its stated they seemed like 400 Ninjas at once with Spinjitzu

Because this is literally just increasing their mobility, something Stronger can do via electricity and Kabutoro.

How tf does one reach this conclusion

Plus again, nothing stops Kabuto Catcher in immediately analyzing Kai's combat behavior and viewing him at slow motion.

I don't think you understand that he can't use anything that's action based bc he won't be fast enough to do anything, not move, not even percieve him

Which is probably the most bizarre reasoning I've ever seen in this site. Welp, thankfully Stronger counters that.

With action based slower attacks? No

 

[Kamenriderblaze]

They don't work the same way, that's the difference (Not only that, but Kai can litterally negate his ability to gain his power back, and his power absorption/negation upscales to Low 1-C for reasons in page 2)

explainne i what way they are different other then one require contact while other not

 

[ZeedKZ]

They don't work the same way, that's the difference (Not only that, but Kai can litterally negate his ability to gain his power back, and his power absorption/negation upscales to Low 1-C for reasons in page 2)

And again, Kai cannot negate nor absorb his electricity. Pull something that makes Kai physically stronger than we'll talk. Negating a limited resistance to absorption is nowhere near as impressive as you're trying to make it be.

They become so fast the guys comparable to them in speed are suddently percieved as slow motion characters. Even here its stated they seemed like 400 Ninjas at once with Spinjitzu

How tf does one reach this conclusion

I've edited that later. Yeah, still nothing stops of Stronger just countering that with Kabuto Catcher, which in turn just makes him view Kai as slow-motion.

I don't think you understand that he can't use anything that's action based bc he won't be fast enough to do anything, not move, not even percieve him

Their starting distance is 30 meters. And this being a starting move directly contradicts every Kai starting move argument made from the start. Regardless, Kai is still dying the moment he touches Stronger.

With action based slower attacks? No

Elaborate, or nobody will be convinced here.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Voting Stronger for the prior reasons stated above as it seems more convincing.

Sorry guys, I don't think Stronger would lose here, so I'll vote for him.

Stronger FRA

Honestly Kamen rider stronger side is looking more convincing as Kais side is lacking the evidences and is missing out.


Stronger FRA

Stronger FRA

All counted.

 

[Kamenriderblaze]

All counted.

add mine pls

stronger FRA

 

[ZeedKZ]

Kai is strong, but Stronger is the strongest FRA.

 

[AigerTheKing]

And again, Kai cannot negate nor absorb his electricity. Pull something that makes Kai physically stronger than we'll talk. Negating a limited resistance to absorption is nowhere near as impressive as you're trying to make it be.

Lloyd has shown that Kai could regain his powers within a few seconds. I don't see what ur trying to prove

I've edited that later. Yeah, still nothing stops of Stronger just countering that with Kabuto Catcher, which in turn just makes him view Kai as slow-motion.

Their starting distance is 30 meters. And this being a starting move directly contradicts every Kai starting move argument made from the start. Regardless, Kai is still dying the moment he touches Stronger.

He can also use the speed element like Chen and do the same thing but while using other Elements at the same time

Elaborate, or nobody will be convinced here.

Kai becomes Super Fast --> Stronger is too slow shoot, move his hand to pull out some wincoins, percieve Kai running to him ---> Throw him around with Gravity or starts stealing everything he has

 

[Shadowslash125]

add mine pls

stronger FRA

Kai is strong, but Stronger is the strongest FRA.

And my bow, for Stronger's arguments holds more water than that of Kai.
Voting for Stronger too and with that, Grace has been reached.

 

[ZeedKZ]

Lloyd has shown that Kai could regain his powers within a few seconds. I don't see what ur trying to prove

And? What even you're trying to connect here at this point? Show us an evidence for good! And something that is within his profile! (Which funny enough won't negate Stronger's electricity because in the end... he is still weaker :v)

He can also use the speed element like Chen and do the same thing but while using other Elements at the same time

We would need to use it at the mere first microsecond of the fight to be truly useful. Otherwise, Big Eye + Kabuto Catcher would still just counter that.

Kai becomes Super Fast --> Stronger is too slow shoot, move his hand to pull out some wincoins, percieve Kai running to him ---> Throw him around with Gravity or starts stealing everything he has

Kai amps his perception, not movement speed. Absolutely nothing stops Stronger to analyze Kai's capabilities and counter with them in mind, including the technique that actually amps movement speed. Kabuto Catcher is a slow-motion perception boost just as the spinning is (not taking account what you're arguing now kinda breaks the whole starting move y'all had for Kai at the beginning of this thread). And yeah, that's also implying Stronger would need to move to kill Kai, when he just passively emits electricity (again, with all of the ailments stated before), and so far, we haven't even put Kabutoro or Rider Synchro in play. At the worst of the situations, Stronger would just power null the shit out of him as Kai still has no answer to his high regeneration.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Show us an evidence for good! And something that is within his profile! (Which funny enough won't negate Stronger's electricity because in the end... he is still weaker :v)

Don't say I didn't send evidence of it working on people far beyond Stronger

It took Kai seconds of Willpower, and naturally came back to Lloyd in a matter of days in S9. However Chronosteel can power steel from the Time Twins and they still didn't regain their power after 40 years. And these guys are accepted as 5-D

We would need to use it at the mere first microsecond of the fight to be truly useful. Otherwise, Big Eye + Kabuto Catcher would still just counter that.

Not like he doesn't have Preco

Kai amps his perception, not movement speed. Absolutely nothing stops Stronger to analyze Kai's capabilities and counter with them in mind, including the technique that actually amps movement speed. Kabuto Catcher is a slow-motion perception boost just as the spinning is (not taking account what you're arguing now kinda breaks the whole starting move y'all had for Kai at the beginning of this thread). And yeah, that's also implying Stronger would need to move to kill Kai,

Chen speedblitzing Lloyd is just perception Speed?

He can also use the speed element like Chen and do the same thing but while using other Elements at the same time

when he just passively emits electricity (again, with all of the ailments stated before), and so far, we haven't even put Kabutoro or Rider Synchro in play.

Prove its passive

At the worst of the situations, Stronger would just power null the shit out of him as Kai still has no answer to his high regeneration.

He technically has nothing against getting slammed everywhere like what happened with Lloyd

 

[ZeedKZ]

Don't say I didn't send evidence of it working on people far beyond Stronger

Your point would be so much more solid if those actually had a non-limited resistance to power absorption. Plus with all this contradictory starting moves so far, even if it could absorb his electricity, Kai would still be unable to kill Stronger, and Rider Synchro remains having no possible counter especially at the conditions Stronger will be put himself into the moment he sees Kai. Them being 5-D would only play relevance if their resistances were something vastly beyond both Kai and Stronger's resistances. (As for your second video, when did it stole his powers? Kinda just saw some dudes having sword fights).

Not like he doesn't have Preco

Which is telepathy/mind-based, and won't work as Stronger is always self-hypnotized.

Chen speedblitzing Lloyd is just perception Speed?

How many times you've ignored an whole post of mine only to focus on a single point that is answered in the same paragraph?

Prove its passive

Again, never failing to not disappoint.

• Electricity Manipulation (A mere touch of him delivers electric charges[1])

He technically has nothing against getting slammed everywhere like what happened with Lloyd

His contradictory starting moves (incredible how this is the only character to have like, 5 or 6 different starting moves) and the fact he ain't getting damaged from anything Kai throws at him. And still doesn't stops Rider Synchro from being executed.