Kaguya in Naruto has L2C part 2

[Damagecom]

Argument for Low 2-C Classification​

1. Creation of a New Space-Time:
   • Manga Statement: The manga states: "It's the start of a new time-space. And you all will become its sacrifices" indicating that the existing space-time continuum will be completely erased and replaced with a new one.
2. Databook Confirmation:
   • Supporting Text: The databook confirms this by stating, "It hides within the power to let the world come to naught...!! Taking in all natures of chakra, it grows into an enormous mass. A huge ball of chaos that even reshapes the world!"
     • Implication: This suggests the ability not just to destroy but to reduce the current world (space-time continuum) to nothingness, erasing its existence entirely before reshaping or creating a new one.
3. Complete Existence Erasure of Time-Space:
   • Supporting Dialogue: The dialogue, "Yeah, but a lot bigger! And it's still growing! I definitely can't teleport away such a giant object with the Kamui... And even if we escape into the other dimension... if that thing gets too large, we won't be able to return to this place." further solidifies this by implying:
     • The object is growing uncontrollably, indicating that it is not merely expanding but is on the verge of consuming the entire space-time continuum.
     • The inability to escape or return if the object becomes too large suggests that it will erase the entire time-space within that dimension, leaving nothing behind and severing all connections to other dimensions.
4. Conclusion:
   • Low 2-C Classification: The ability described clearly fulfills the criteria for Low 2-C (Universe level+) because it involves the complete erasure (Existence Erasure) of the current space-time continuum, reducing it to nothingness, and potentially creating a new one. The statements and dialogue collectively support this level of power, confirming its classification.
   • Considering the final result, it still accomplishes its goal. Whether this feat is advantageous in combat or death battles is yet to be seen, so please stop downplaying Kaguya's accomplishments in a ridiculous manner.
5. I also hope that the moderators do not close this topic soon because I rarely check notifications from VS Battle Wiki

 

[Nami_Kami]

I agree with this.

I will give you more supporting evidence: When Kaguya uses Amenominaka, she doesn't just move the people to another world. Rather it's said that she moves and dislocates the worlds ( In this context it'd be in reference to the space-times, or else Earth would have been moved into a different space-time, which wasn't the case. ):

This is consistent with the manga where it's said that Kaguya's abillity was summoning dimensions/rewriting reality:

What this means is that when Kaguya used Amenominaka, she essentially moved the entire universe as well as her dimension to slap their positionings. This is the way her abillity works.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Disagree for reasons below

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

MasqueTLDF is gay​

 

[MasqueTLDF]

MasqueTLDF is gay​

My secret has been exposed

 

[Achmad76c]

I agree more with Kaguya H1A than Kaguya L2C

 

[Nami_Kami]

Let's not flood the thread.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

For now i agree

 

[Demon_Lord18]

May he in heaven have pity on us.

1. Criação de um novo espaço-tempo:
   • Declaração do mangá: O mangá afirma: "É o início de um novo espaço-tempo. E todos vocês se tornarão seus sacrifícios", indicando que o continuum espaço-tempo existente será completamente apagado e substituído por um novo.

Friend, that's a mistranslation, only the Kanji for space is in the scan, and the dimension would need to have a universal size, something it doesn't have.

Confirmação do Databook:

• Texto de apoio: O databook confirma isso afirmando: "Ele se esconde dentro do poder de deixar o mundo dar em nada...!! Absorvendo todas as naturezas de chakra, ele cresce em uma massa enorme. Uma enorme bola de caos que até remodela o mundo!"
  • Implicação: Isso sugere a capacidade não apenas de destruir, mas de reduzir o mundo atual (continuum espaço-tempo) ao nada, apagando sua existência inteiramente antes de remodelar ou criar um novo.

World is vague, it could mean just one planet (the case of this quote), plus Naruto has many wrong translations and this could be one of them. And this scan looks fake

Complete Existence Erasure of Time-Space:

• Supporting Dialogue: The dialogue, "Yeah, but a lot bigger! And it's still growing! I definitely can't teleport away such a giant object with the Kamui... And even if we escape into the other dimension... if that thing gets too large, we won't be able to return to this place." further solidifies this by implying:
  • The object is growing uncontrollably, indicating that it is not merely expanding but is on the verge of consuming the entire space-time continuum.
  • The inability to escape or return if the object becomes too large suggests that it will erase the entire time-space within that dimension, leaving nothing behind and severing all connections to other dimensions.

No one in Naruto could survive in a place with no space, so obviously they couldn't go back there.

1. Conclusion:
   • Low 2-C Classification: The ability described clearly fulfills the criteria for Low 2-C (Universe level+) because it involves the complete erasure (Existence Erasure) of the current space-time continuum, reducing it to nothingness, and potentially creating a new one. The statements and dialogue collectively support this level of power, confirming its classification.
   • Considering the final result, it still accomplishes its goal. Whether this feat is advantageous in combat or death battles is yet to be seen, so please stop downplaying Kaguya's accomplishments in a ridiculous manner.
2. I also hope that the moderators do not close this topic soon because I rarely check notifications from VS Battle Wiki

The whole argument is being based on a mistranslation, and being a space-time is not inherently Low 2-C, since it would need to have a universal size.

 

[HelloThere1089]

1. The ETSB was only going to destroy space. It's a mistranslation.
2. Kaguya's dimension is in fact a space time (with a time axis) but that doesn't mean it is low 2C. You would need to prove it is spatially infinite i.e, its three spatial dimensions stretch out infinitely (or at least the resulting volume is infinite). In simpler terms it needs to be High 3A + one time axis/dimension.
3. Even if you do prove this, her ETSB will never scale. Only her creation will. Which you will need to prove cuz iirc there is no canon statement that she created her spacetime.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

"新たな 空間の始まりだ"

"It's the beginning of a new space."