lmfao
said sword saint von. i actually think it might be worse. when sukuna came out he was mostly just ******* around, and didn’t need to actually do anything that he did. when this mf comes out he’s likely going to wanna destroy japan for keeping him captive, which is what’s implied by the hishaku leader
And I want to see it, I feel like seeing the Sword Saint actually destroy Japan (also helps powerscalers) shows the true power of these Nuke Swords.lmfao
it’ll be incancable.
Definitely feels like a Shibuya Arc to me, several concurrent small events leading up to a major disastrous one with everyone having their own fights here and there
And well deserved!
Depending on what this comes down to (especially if stats) the results will change once we conclude the arc and handle all the stat upgrades and new ability additions, regardless though I'll check it out
Calm down, we already have stuff wait for the arc to finish, some of the most important stuff for scaling is still ongoing right now
You can help, currently there's no Hiyuki or Azami sandbox
Oh, another point, how are you handling Owl being confirmed as a very physical phenomena given it changed the weather across Japan? Samuea’s speed is also in question since evidently the scattering of Owl worked the same as Crow given how quickly he teleported and we know people on Samura’s level can somewhat react to Crow, so that would give a speed scaling to rushing across Japan.
Banquet effects a lot of things and nishki does allow him to resist its effects and maintain equilibrium
The owl is not an AP feat, blocking tbe sun for several days made it colder thereby changing the weather that's all, and no owls range is the whole country so it dropping feathers where he senses the blades is not a speed feat
Limited Forcefield Creation for Owl doing that, maybe, just maybe some LS for holding back the weather, ik Dale's gonna shut this down
Yup because he didn't hold the weather back, he just blocked sunlight out for several days causing it to get colder then suddenly removed owl causing a change in weather (nothing seperating hot and cold fronts which cause our weather)
Yeah but it’s a specific counter it wouldn’t work on somebody’s whose abilities just had nothing to do with the inner ear. Chihiro knew this specific counter because of his expertise with the blades. Also it didn’t enhance his senses exactly did it?
It would have also had to have blocked raindrops for that scene to make sense. The process wouldn’t have happened fast enough and just because it comes from the sun doesn’t mean heat is only transferred through radiation, there had to be a physical object getting hit by heated particles but having its temperature not change much. He did just kinda have to create physical enough feathers to spread across the whole country and also reached incredibly high.
Banquet affects Visual perception(gave the illusion of Samura killing Toto and Hiruhiko+appearance of warping the surroundings , Balance(the victims found it hard to keep balance) , The senses(these are all part of perception anyway Samura states it replicates the sensation of cutting when he thought he killed hiruhiko and Toto), memories (Samura fell back into a memory of when he feared, iori had killed herself in her Room)
Except it's not willpower related and it's something he needs to use Nishiki buffs to deal with, Hiruhiko verbatim states Banquet is useless on Chihiro, it has a plethora of effects, Chihiro emphasised his inner ear because of balance, that doesn't mean it was the only thing he was strengthening
Huh? Did you read the justification
Give him what, Electricity Manipulation?
Yeah no you're assuming owl was blocking the weather when we're never told or shown that, it can cover sky above japan and still be above cloud layers something we infact are shown. The fact of the matter we're never given a single explicit height of how high it say above the sky but we are able to still see clouds sooo yeah.
Not really Owl literally just creates feathers and drops them where he finds the EBs its not a speed feat to spawn something an area you're already at
Crow is a Teleportation move, there isn't anything like reacting to Crow
Genuinely how
Owl comes from the blade, Owl can span the country, Owl can also drop feathers wherever it spans to, he only needs to toss the feathers down a few hundred meters from Owl or so pop in where he needs to be
You’ve only responded to one argument and while I haven’t calculated the height based on reasonable assumptions of it ended up being so far in the sky no clouds would be blocked I always thought it would be pretty easy to interpret it as dragging up said clouds. Reply to the other part of the argument tho.
No point in replying to this part because replying to the next part suffices.
Okay, so you think Samura can control Owl to create feathers where he wants so he would never have had to spread them to teleport where he does like he would normally?
I meant reacting to the feathers he disperses for crow.
P means proposition C means conclusion (sorry for the midwit Aquinas bro speak I just like the neatness). It is objectively the case that if the Owl feathers and the Crow feathers are the same and people can react to the Crow feather spreading then they can react to the Owl feather spreading.
So, to be clear, you think Owl is distinct from the feathers Samura uses elsewhere but just creates them where Samura desires?
There's no real frame of reference to measure how high up it is directly, we know its higher than clouds and mountains (one shot shows us mountains) as have multiple shots that show clouds below the owl.
Its literally what they say he was doing owl is just to detect high spirit energy which we he does and he can just drop the feathers down via the owl and teleport to them
I think you narrow the range by obvious maximums and a minimum height that corresponds to presumably being able to clearly see the eyes at any point in Japan. I haven’t run through the numbers for this tho.
Obviously light was blocked cause it was a visible object, but why didn’t heat above the owl and heat below the owl spread through convection? Also this all implies you think Owl was at least low enough for clouds which can drop rain to form above it (even at much higher temperatures than normal too seemingly).
So is Owl feathers themselves or does it just create them when Samura wants them to? Wanna make sure we’re super clear on this.
The strengthening his inner ear thing doesn’t have to do with his senses it’s that the inner ear is responsible for balance. He’s not making it better at its job, he’s just making it more resistant to outside interference.
Nah the range of it is just the entire country we literally do not need to calculate anything for it heightwise anyways because its not an AP feat and we already have its range stated.
Dawg sunlight is what provides the heat which means blocking the light also means blocking the heat. Hence there not being any connections in the actual qesther below and above owl.
I mean ofc it ain't like tens or hundreds of kilometers high or anything but it is above lower cloud levels we literally see that much. Also why are you worried about rain we literally do not in nnow the forecast in the series when the sky was blocked we only see that it was sunny when the owl disappeared, legit rain has no bearing here you're overcomplicating this
The latter
This doesn’t really matter
This just isn’t a genuine reply, the only way I can respond would just be repeating what I said in slightly different words, which I don’t see the point of.
So if Samura can spread out Owl faster than he can send out the feathers why does he a)send out the feathers to teleport when he could just create Owl and then drop feathers and b)channel owl through the feathers normally anyway lol.
He isn't spreading owl its already everywhere? Idk where you're getting this in your head that there was some big travel time involved in it, its quite instantly there and not
Cmon now. Cool off, take a moment, have a relaxing bath and reread my posts.
Oh okay are you ESL? I can try explaining things again.
I already said this vro
Forcefully putting someone in their memories IS Memory Manipulation
This isn't true at all, Nishiki was doing more than strengthening his inner ear, you literally see it over his eyes when banquets output increases at Samura's arrival and his perception starts to get ****** up(ch77pg6)
It came from Banquets showings ?
What?
If that’s what you count it as that’s fine, idrc, just as long as it’s not used to say characters resist a kind of memory manipulation where memories themselves are actually affected.
Two times characters provide explanations for how Chihiro is countering Banquet, including Chihiro himself, and they never say a single other thing than “strengthening the inner ear”. I do not think one panel of the effect being over his eye is remotely strong enough proof. You’re going too far with your interpretation of what that means without any strong confirmation from Hokazono.
Cause of the memory manipulation. Calm down lad.
Yeah it explains the balance part and not the other parts that well, but the problem is by all accounts Hokazono just portrays doing that thing as making Chihiro totally immune. I guess you can explain it by saying that whatever propagates banquet takes a path through the ears to the brain idk. You’ve got to be conservative with chucking powers onto things. The fact that it could only be resolved by a specific counter and not by “Nishiki’s general ability to shunt off supernatural influence” means it’s not supposed to be a generalised resistance. I mean, hell, you think the specific counter is by enhancing his senses. That’s not really a resistance per se is it?
Why act oblivious to the fact Memory Manipulation can be applied in a variety of ways
Explanations for Countering Banquet's effects , not how it works.
Strengthening Inner Ears is a priority to be mentioned because without it you lack the ability to defend yourself properly, we see this with the Masumi, Iori and Samura
What are you saying man, it's a Spell that causes everyone within its set range to fall under its effects, you're going beyond to attribute what's not there, there is no propagation
That is a resistance tho?
That's how it works tho?
No one ignored a thing btw, you just outright refused the answers I gave
You’re saying “we don’t know its material properties” while also asserting we shouldn’t treat it as a material at all, just some more or less only visual effect. My stance is simply that you should count it as a mass of feathers since that is how all of Samura’s powers work.
I never said it was just a visual effect, not a single time did I claim it was an illusion. You genuinely actually just yap without comprehension just for agendas. I told you from the beginning that owl is not made of feathers like you kept asserting, Its obviously physical it blocks freaking sunlight. You keep asserting that it is made out of feathers which is a baseless assumption when its literally just a spirit energy construct made to cover an area for detection. Samura does not have creation, the feathers as well as all his abilities are spirit energy he is not making real feathers (real as in material property wise the same as a real birds) they are composed of spirit energy. You're trying to assume a material where there is nothing irl that is spirit energy substitute.
Great never said or implied it was not a physical object hope this helps
