Alita vs Chihiro

[Arkenis]

Alita vs Chihiro
Equal Speed
Imaginos Alita
Alita:
Chihiro:
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[Shey]

What's the context around her high-mid regen

 

[Arkenis]

That's for her second key not the first. And the page says it

 

[First_Witch]

Is Alitas profile unfinished or why is her resistance section for later keys empty

 

[Arkenis]

Is Alitas profile unfinished or why is her resistance section for later keys empty

She just doesn't show much for resistance.

 

[First_Witch]

She just doesn't show much for resistance.

I mean, if the resistances from Imaginos scale to later keys then you should at the very least list them ala "the same as previous keys", because right now it looks like she loses her previous resistances with later keys. That and it looks unprofessional to have 2 completly empty sections.

 

[Shey]

That's for her second key not the first. And the page says it

The wording in the P&A confuses me

Anyway from what I could absorb, she scales to 68 Tons
While Chihiro can go up to 62 Tons, speed is equal but just like his ap, it can be amped up to at at least 3x so is his speed, she's slightly stronger while he's more than 3x quicker at his peak
Not sure what else to say I dont know much about how Anita fights

Chihiro typically throws ranged attacks like Kuro and/or follows up with throwing his Wakizashi while his opponent is preoccupied going in to slash at them, typically beheading or splitting their skull to pieces.
Kurt can also work with his physical slashes for a much more powerful attack that can oneshot a blade that was previously clashing with his maximum output

As for defensive options he has his sword obviously and Aka which can absorbs and redirect attacks, he can also imbue the absorbed attacks into his Kuro slashes for a damage boost

Though this match could be invalid by the time we're done with the Chihiro CRT, the scaling isn't just outdated it's not where it should have been

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Following this

 

[Arkenis]

Anyway from what I could absorb, she scales to 68 Tons
While Chihiro can go up to 62 Tons, speed is equal but just like his ap, it can be amped up to at at least 3x so is his speed, she's slightly stronger while he's more than 3x quicker at his peak
Not sure what else to say I dont know much about how Anita fights

She has enough senses to counteract the speed amp honestly.

Chihiro typically throws ranged attacks like Kuro and/or follows up with throwing his Wakizashi while his opponent is preoccupied going in to slash at them, typically beheading or splitting their skull to pieces.
Kurt can also work with his physical slashes for a much more powerful attack that can oneshot a blade that was previously clashing with his maximum output

Should be able to blow it away with electro punch. And her damascus blades are also able to one shot Toji who is stronger than her, being 96 tons.

As for defensive options he has his sword obviously and Aka which can absorbs and redirect attacks, he can also imbue the absorbed attacks into his Kuro slashes for a damage boost

She mostly uses direct attacks or plasma bissen to attack up close so he won't have something to absorb.

Though this match could be invalid by the time we're done with the Chihiro CRT, the scaling isn't just outdated it's not where it should have been

What is the ap looking like?

 

[Shey]

She has enough senses to counteract the speed amp honestly.

I'm not seeing anything on the page that would help her effectively react to attacks 3 times faster, how so?

Should be able to blow it away with electro punch. And her damascus blades are also able to one shot Toji who is stronger than her, being 96 tons.

Electro Punch is something he'd be really inclined to just snatch into his bag
The Damascus blade looks like they'd be effective but Chihiro is the kind of guy that would avoid getting hit at all costs or if its worth it sacrifice an arm to get a fatal hit in
It's unlikely he'd get hit at all considering he can react to Sojo who was more than twice as fast as him

She mostly uses direct attacks or plasma bissen to attack up close so he won't have something to absorb.

Hmm? He absorbs energy / non physical things and also physical things, as long as they're not pre-existing objects like a sheet of paper.
He absorbed Daruma's Bombs and Sojo's Lightning Blast fired at him point blank

What is the ap looking like?

Current max AP becomes his minimum and he maxes out somewhere around tier 7, he also gets a few more combat and skill related abilities

 

[Arkenis]

I'm not seeing anything on the page that would help her effectively react to attacks 3 times faster, how so?

It's how her perception works. Besides the fact she can feel every micro fluctuation in electrical flow within a 15m radius, her perceiving everything at a far faster rate to the point she blitzes herself and tricks characters' senses like Caerula's. 3x just isn't enough to overwhelm her. Also, Alita normally fights at a supersonic speed, at her top speed she's several times faster than Caerula. So she'd just end up becoming faster to equal it out. There is also her chi reading and kizashi which are both methods of precogging energy

Electro Punch is something he'd be really inclined to just snatch into his bag
The Damascus blade looks like they'd be effective but Chihiro is the kind of guy that would avoid getting hit at all costs or if its worth it sacrifice an arm to get a fatal hit in
It's unlikely he'd get hit at all considering he can react to Sojo who was more than twice as fast as him

How would he snatch her punching him? Can he absorb matter or shockwaves? He probably can't avoid Alita's damascus blades due to skill and her senses basically reading every aspect of him.

Hmm? He absorbs energy / non physical things and also physical things, as long as they're not pre-existing objects like a sheet of paper.
He absorbed Daruma's Bombs and Sojo's Lightning Blast fired at him point blank

So he can't absorb Alita then, she can just deliver the punch up close. And her plasma bissen is snuck in mid combat, he won't know to absorb that many times unless there's some showing of it.

 

[Shey]

It's how her perception works. Besides the fact she can feel every micro fluctuation in electrical flow within a 15m radius, her perceiving everything at a far faster rate to the point she blitzes herself and tricks characters' senses like Caerula's. 3x just isn't enough to overwhelm her. Also, Alita normally fights at a supersonic speed, at her top speed she's several times faster than Caerula. So she'd just end up becoming faster to equal it out. There is also her chi reading and kizashi which are both methods of precogging energy

Did you miss that Chihiro is MHS, she cannot move faster than him in this match, his 3x amp makes it that even if she can analyze him effectively he'd practically be attacking thrice in the time it takes for her to make a single move, I don't see her senses stopping her from being physically overwhelmed
Kuro: shred, would also straight up limit mobility options and overwhelm his opponents within 15m as everyone of these Gold fishes is a slashing attack, no point in sensing energy when it can bombard from any direction

How would he snatch her punching him? Can he absorb matter or shockwaves? He probably can't avoid Alita's damascus blades due to skill and her senses basically reading every aspect of him.

Same way he snatched Hiyuki's Flame Bone punch, attacks that enter his range are both blocked and absorbed, they can also be redirected likewise

So he can't absorb Alita then, she can just deliver the punch up close. And her plasma bissen is snuck in mid combat, he won't know to absorb that many times unless there's some showing of it.

Of course he can't absorb a person
He frequently uses absorbed attacks to counter his opponents, he can fire her own attacks back at her to counter or mix them in with his Kuro: Shred

 

[Arkenis]

Did you miss that Chihiro is MHS, she cannot move faster than him in this match, his 3x amp makes it that even if she can analyze him effectively he'd practically be attacking thrice in the time it takes for her to make a single move, I don't see her senses stopping her from being physically overwhelmed

Equal speed

Same way he snatched Hiyuki's Flame Bone punch, attacks that enter his range are both blocked and absorbed, they can also be redirected likewise

Alita punches -> he can't absorb pre-existing objects -> Alita's a pre-existing object -> So he still gets hit.

Of course he can't absorb a person
He frequently uses absorbed attacks to counter his opponents, he can fire her own attacks back at her to counter or mix them in with his Kuro: Shred

Then he can't absorb Alita's punch. Her own attack is her punching.

 

[Shey]

Equal speed

I can swear I've seen this several times in VS Threads, the slower character cannot amp to become quicker than the faster character in the vs match when speed has been equalized

Alita punches -> he can't absorb pre-existing objects -> Alita's a pre-existing object -> So he still gets hit.
Then he can't absorb Alita's punch. Her own attack is her punching.

Right, when i say absorb, I meant any energy that might be used in that blow like her electromagnetic or plasma shtick you were mentioning.
Defending with his blades are standard procedure for him, so unless she's trying to lose fingers one by one that isn't going to go well, asides the fact that he's unlikely to get hit directly to begin with

 

[Arkenis]

I can swear I've seen this several times in VS Threads, the slower character cannot amp to become quicker than the faster character in the vs match when speed has been equalized

Yeah I ain't saying Alita amps to be faster.

Right, when i say absorb, I meant any energy that might be used in that blow like her electromagnetic or plasma shtick you were mentioning.
Defending with his blades are standard procedure for him, so unless she's trying to lose fingers one by one that isn't going to go well, asides the fact that he's unlikely to get hit directly to begin with

If its not passive I don't understand how he's gonna keep absorbing when he doesn't know it'll happen.

 

[Shey]

Yeah I ain't saying Alita amps to be faster.

Then i don't see how she can effectively physically respond to someone who can perform 3 actions in the time it takes her 1

If its not passive I don't understand how he's gonna keep absorbing when he doesn't know it'll happen.

The ability kinda just lingers there when he summons it, it'll absorb when an attack enters his range or he can just activate it when an attack is incoming. It's pretty subtle
Also and it's not like she can throw attacks faster than he can react to here, this is a guy who can react to Sojo who was zipping at him more than twice his own speed

 

[Tago238]

In the key used I just can’t see Chihiro not eventually cutting Alita to pieces, though it would be a genuine fight.

 

[Arkenis]

Then i don't see how she can effectively physically respond to someone who can perform 3 actions in the time it takes her 1

The ability kinda just lingers there when he summons it, it'll absorb when an attack enters his range or he can just activate it when an attack is incoming. It's pretty subtle
Also and it's not like she can throw attacks faster than he can react to here, this is a guy who can react to Sojo who was zipping at him more than twice his own speed

Because her senses allow her to react. Already explained what type of senses she has, he's not bypassing them with just a 3x speed amp.

The ability kinda just lingers there when he summons it, it'll absorb when an attack enters his range or he can just activate it when an attack is incoming. It's pretty subtle
Also and it's not like she can throw attacks faster than he can react to here, this is a guy who can react to Sojo who was zipping at him more than twice his own speed

If it's not passive, and he has to activate it, then please provide proof he'll know to activate it in the middle of combat while she's sneaking in plasma shots or her Herzta haeon.

In the key used I just can’t see Chihiro not eventually cutting Alita to pieces, though it would be a genuine fight.

Before he gets to that, he'll have several wounds or outright be killed by herzta haeon or her plasma. She's also the better fighter here.

 

[Tago238]

Regardless of how good your senses are I just think a 3x speed gap is significant and regardless of how strong her plasma shit is I just think attack absorption (plus, just ******* dodging a thing that’s moving in a single direction lol) is also pretty significant.

Unless an argument worth note is brought up I can’t be swayed off the picture of the fight where Chihiro clears the gap more times than he doesn’t and can continue dominating up close.

As for skill scaling idrc, I think if we have to put an anime skilled martial arts specialist against an anime skilled swordsman (even without considering the swordsman having Nishiki and a variety of stronger attacks which require less charging up usually) it’s a question of who is favoured between someone using their fists and someone using a 28 inch blade. I think I know who’s favoured. Yes, she fought a swordsman before but he allowed openings due to his body seemingly being easier to move around than his sword (it does admittedly look like quite a heavy blade). Chihiro’s blade isn’t heavy and he doesn’t feel the need to do anything like doing a spin kick while holding the blade down so it’s a different story.

Frankly I just think Alita fights people with a less strong bag than Chihiro and struggles or loses, meanwhile Chihiro doesn’t really have the same examples because of how his story is structured.

 

[Arkenis]

Regardless of how good your senses are I just think a 3x speed gap is significant and regardless of how strong her plasma shit is I just think attack absorption (plus, just ******* dodging a thing that’s moving in a single direction lol) is also pretty significant.

He won't know to dodge if they're up close and it's not noticeable.

As for skill scaling idrc, I think if we have to put an anime skilled martial arts specialist against an anime skilled swordsman (even without considering the swordsman having Nishiki and a variety of stronger attacks which require less charging up usually) it’s a question of who is favoured between someone using their fists and someone using a 28 inch blade. I think I know who’s favoured. Yes, she fought a swordsman before but he allowed openings due to his body seemingly being easier to move around than his sword (it does admittedly look like quite a heavy blade). Chihiro’s blade isn’t heavy and he doesn’t feel the need to do anything like doing a spin kick while holding the blade down so it’s a different story.

Alita scales to sword masters. Where does Chihiro scale in sword skill? I'm kinda confused on what you're referring to, Alita fought Den, a normal sized human and won in their sword battle. His blade isn't anything heavy either, it looks like a typical katana. Alita's Damascus blades are also roughly the size of Chihiro's sword.

• Swordswoman (Should be a master in swordsmanship with her beating Den, who had the skills of Tachibana Ryukisai. Kaos had also shown to be excellent in targeting precise sections of the body with Hanao-Giri, someone Alita is also superior to)

Alita's also stronger than him overall, with her damascus blades she'd be the one cutting him up. I've also seen before in another thread that Chihiro's amps are not very viable for long battle and the page basically says as much

Weaknesses: The twelve-second time limit for Nishiki is mentioned, however this was during Chihiro's fatigued and hurt state. If Chihiro concentrates his spirit power usage on Nishiki, the duration he can utilize the technique decreases, therefore cloaking himself with double or even three times the energy would be reduced by that much.

Seeing how this was due to him being hurt, I think Alita's ap advantage would make this a likely scenario where he actually can't rely on his speed amps.

 

[Tago238]

He won't know to dodge if they're up close and it's not noticeable.


Alita scales to sword masters. Where does Chihiro scale in sword skill?

Chihiro is a natural talent in swordsmanship whose natural ability overwhelms swordmen who have trained their whole lives. He’s more skilled than Hiruhiko who utterly destroyed a man who was a master of one of the strongest sword styles passed down over 150 years and a group of cronies at the same time (this was not a result of greater strength it was just a battle of swordsmanship) and he learned the strongest sword technique in the world only known to two people by seeing it once.

As for the other stuff I was referring to how the swordsman kept switching between more swift/ effective martial attacks. The whole way the fight is drawn gives the impression the blade is heavy and easier to dodge than physical attacks (largely because obviously if the sword was the thing that hit then Alita would just die or something). This isn’t really the case in Kagura Bachi where swords always carry a lot of lethality with them.

As for Nishiki, the full 3x speed amp from his normal Nishiki reduces the time, however normal Nishiki already makes him as fast as lightning and puts him in a blitz-ish status from his usual speed.

 

[Arkenis]

Chihiro is a natural talent in swordsmanship whose natural ability overwhelms swordmen who have trained their whole lives. He’s more skilled than Hiruhiko who utterly destroyed a man who was a master of one of the strongest sword styles passed down over 150 years and a group of cronies at the same time (this was not a result of greater strength it was just a battle of swordsmanship) and he learned the strongest sword technique in the world only known to two people by seeing it once.

Isn't much of a difference with Alita.

As for the other stuff I was referring to how the swordsman kept switching between more swift/ effective martial attacks. The whole way the fight is drawn gives the impression the blade is heavy and easier to dodge than physical attacks (largely because obviously if the sword was the thing that hit then Alita would just die or something). This isn’t really the case in Kagura Bachi where swords always carry a lot of lethality with them.

What fight are you talking about? I'm so confused lol, her fight with Den is really short and there's nothing about the sword being heavy and easier to dodge. It's a regular katana.

Or are you talking about Caerula's fight? If so, Caerula was holding back for the fight, we see she should've cut Alita's head off at the end.

 

[Tago238]

Isn't much of a difference with Alita

Sure, you just asked. I do think Chihiro is a degree more skilled but it’s not an argument I care to get into.

They’re definitely probably the same in terms of acrobatics where you can’t really argue one to be better than the other.

Isn't much of a difference with Alita.


What fight are you talking about? I'm so confused lol, her fight with Den is really short and there's nothing about the sword being heavy and easier to dodge. It's a regular katana.

Or are you talking about Caerula's fight? If so, Caerula was holding back for the fight, we see she should've cut Alita's head off at the end.

Nah I’m talking about Sech since I’d say that was the one which was relatively even stat wise and also pertains to the Imaginos body. Den she was just kinda stronger than.


I just don’t think she’d be able to handle a comparably strong character who can enhance himself to a way higher strength and whose sword doesn’t conveniently miss a lot.

 

[Arkenis]

They’re definitely probably the same in terms of acrobatics where you can’t really argue one to be better than the other.

No Alita is definitely better. There's a special type of acrobatics that's taught in Panzer Kunst for one, they're taught how to fight in zero gravity which lets them then fight in any gravity. Everything on Chihiro's acrobatics is basic stuff like jumping or fighting mid air. Alita's constantly shown she's able to rebalance herself mid air, perform literal olympic maneuvers in mid air, easily moving around people in tight spaces, and has already fought against sword users bare handed with greater reach than Chihiro and skill.

Nah I’m talking about Sech since I’d say that was the one which was relatively even stat wise and also pertains to the Imaginos body. Den she was just kinda stronger than.

It wasn't a fight of power, she effortlessly evaded his strike there. And even with Sechs, he's still a master swordsman as well who rose above the other TUNED units who all scaled to Alita so Alita's feats on him would put her above Chihiro.

I just don’t think she’d be able to handle a comparably strong character who can enhance himself to a way higher strength and whose sword doesn’t conveniently miss a lot.

She's stronger than Chihiro's max amp. And she's good enough to dodge and or just catch his sword and destroy it.

 

[Tago238]

If she’s stronger than Chihiro’s max amp I’ll put it to inconclusive. I reckon a blade is still working pretty well but honestly if one good hit is all it takes and one side has the advantage of a speed amp but the other side has the advantage of ranged attacks then it seems pretty 50/50.