I don't think the story ever shows Hakari to be anywhere near subsonic or supersonic, but if it did then sure it'll be an issue.
Yuta was holding back on Yuji, literally says he's playing around and is slowly increasing his speed as the fight goes on, Maki did get faster through her awakening via how HR is stated to function and by her feats with Naoya having no feats on awakened Maki.
Would the results be higher or lower?
Lower.
Big oof.
I mean that Hakari is relative to people being that fast. Not that he is this fast himself.
Unless you're reading a different translation or that I'm blind, I don't remember that in the manga. Naoya does have feats against Maki, I'm talking about Cursed Naoya btw.
Didn't maki also clap domain amped Naoya too btw
The thing is that the calc you proposed is wrong
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She sneak attacked him.
We talking about after. She pulled her sword back out, cursed naoya just stood there after staring at her and she brought her sword up and slashed down.
Naoya is only supersonic+ after building up speed, doesn't scale to combat speed.
No, he can't dodge it because it's a HOMING ATTACK, brother please read the manga
the grading system isn't about stat scaling, Hakari being grade 1 means nothing, and they never treat supersonic attacks and 0.01 second time frames as impressive.
You mean an off guard Uraume being shocked that Choso is that fast since she thought Choso was supposed to be fodder?
doesn't change the distance crossed in specific timeframes, do you legit not see the problem here?
dragon is an inconsistent pile of mess,jjk isn't, so don't draw any equivalence, and assuming i can easily quantify the distance they crossed in 49 minutes i can then infer their speed and add it as anti feat
mate, the onlt people here who think that lightning is as fast as real lightning are people who want to make the characters way faster than they ever were, lightning or not, the multiple explicit timeframes given to us by gege are a far more reliable source of data to infer from, and they all go against the notion of kashimo's lightning being as fast as irl lightning
this, this is the more accurate representation of speed, because it implies the characters exchange a dozen or so attacks at best in time frame measured in the seconds, unleash attacks in time frames that are also measured in the seconds and cross several hundred meters at best in...you get the gist
ah yes, absurd standard of using the series to scale it, what a tragedy am i right
Not necessarily, Kashimo's lightning can vary in speed. The speed of lightning would vary with the charge. The positive and negative charges affect the electric field of the lightning, which in turn affects the speed. Kashimo directly influences the positive and negative charges to direct the lighting through the created electric field.
He is equal to Yuta I swear
? Entire cast (except yuta) can’t perceive the 0.1 difference from gojo and sukuna domain expansion
Shock by someone 6000 time slower than her?
We literally see them doing incantations and having internal monologues whilst staring at each other, there is no way to for sure measure the distance here since they evidently aren't in constant perpetual motion. You're not engaging with this and just pretending like we can still infer an anti-feat, if I participate in a race where at several intervals I'm stopping to talk then that's not an accurate depiction of my speed at all.
Ah yes, lightning doesn't equal irl lightning. Why not just say sound in JJK is faster than irl sound? Why only do the reverse? Obviously we don't need to do either, Gege has wrote a coherent series with a huge gap in power for his top tiers, not unlike many shonen series.
Except we're never given that, we're given a broad time frame over a sequence wherein characters are doing things besides throwing punches.
It was still aiming for his head, and instead struck his arm when Hakari moved, no? Otherwise there's no speed calc at all since dodging isn't possible.
The Grading system is flawed but still useful, Kenjaku at the very least considers it as such given how he references it in regards to strength multiple times. Supersonic is absolutely treated as impressive by the entire cast, that's the scary part of Piercing Blood. And 0.01 seconds is in fact treated as impressive, given only Yuta and Higuruma could barely detect that time difference.
He was charging Piercing Blood right in front of them, and they were shocked by the speed and bsrely blocked it. Uraume is not 6000 times faster than Piercing Blood.
It's a <0.01 time frame, not a 0.1 time frame.
Naoya has no feats of scaling to the top tiers, idk why we'd bring him up.
Against average sorcerers who are subsonic, yes they are effective, but even teenage Geto can easily block a barrage of bullets being shot at him and Kenjaku does the same. This isn't a statement made when referencing people like Gojo lmfao, especially since in the CG we get bottom tiers tanking grenades.
Piercing blood also improves over time and get be pressurised further and be amplified by more CE the better the sorcerer gets, with Choso's piercing blood measurably and demonstrably getting faster. Even then, it's never relevant to any top tiers with Kenjaku effortlessly dodging it when it's cm away from him, Uraume catching it whilst off guard, and Sukuna blitzing it.
A slower Maki, yes, why does this matter?
Yes? If I have the expectation that someone is really slow and then they show themselves to be exceptional, even if they're still leagues below me, I'd still be shocked since my expectations were wrong. That's how expectations work.
Yea, so he dodged it and it still hit his body since it was tracking his body.
I already addressed this all
Homing attacks can be dodged if you’re fast enough, read the homing page, and its just an obvious thing. Hakari’s also 5x faster? How tf didn’t he blitz it
His point is to show how great speed is portrayed within the manga, Naoya's speed affects the area several times, Hakari's and others do not. Gege had mentioned how he wanted to portray the doppler effect and yet we haven't seen this with Hakari at all.
IIRC, it is cuz the JJK peps here are just waiting for the current arc to warp up before removing it. Could be mistaken, tho. There might be another reason I don't know about.
While I agree this idea of being surprised can work in a lot of cases, during a fight where both characters are experienced fighters, saying Hakari was surprised given his 5x speed difference doesn't make sense. It isn't as though this lightning strike came from out of his peripheral or was undetectable, its right in front of him and completely visible.
Gege also stops drawing sonic booms for characters who are confirmed or shown to be faster than sound. Not doing something isn't an indicator that something isn't true. Quite literally 99% series do this. Gege also stops coloring Yuji's nails when he turns into Sukuna, so I guess that was never a thing. Gege also shows the formation of natural lightning through the positive and negative charges with Kashimo. Unless the requirements that they need to show everything then you are asking for a fault expectation
Uraume wasn't off-guard in the slightest. They jumped in front of Choso, then imbued their hands with Cursed Energy while Choso charged Convergence. Then, Choso fired Piercing Blood and Uraume blocked it with their palm, remarking that the technique is fast.
You're missing my point.
Or maybe, just maybe.
Not Kashimo's since it's compared to a sure-hit, also he began dodging it whilst it was already incredibly close to him, hence why it can't be blitzed.
Naoya has no scaling to peak Maki, so this is irrelevant.
The houses he destroys are the one's he rams through, and we see this same Naoya reach mach 3 speeds and not cause this same degree of environmental damage. Doesn't seem like a consistent metric.
this is also similar to what I got, where I got it to only Mach 1000 and other users to Mach 500, idk where Mach 6000 comes from.
Uraume was literally looking down at the ground and then we later on get direct confirmation that Uraume does hold back against people.
Hakari in his first showing was perception blitzing sorcerers like its nothing and would later be compared to Maki by Kenjaku, Hakari considered one of their best assets by Yuta, and with Gojo implying Yuta and Hakari are the peak of the students. Hakari is definitely a top tier narratively, to deny this on the basis that he doesn't have a sonic boom or whatever is absurd.
Because the lightning blitzed him.
Uraume ~ Hakari = Mach 500 >> Mach 3 = Naoya >> Pre-Awakening Maki
Yes, someone who dodged a technique was... blitzed by the technique... do words have meaning anymore?
This is the sequence of events. Uraume was not off-guard, they simply think Piercing Blood is fast, which is why they remarked "It's fast!" And that scan of them holding back is in regards to their power— particularly the power of their Cursed Technique— not their speed.
Its compared to a sure hit because of how it works, it is not an actual sure hit. And go reread what M3x already pointed out, he should've been reacted before it got close to to him.
That's a great interpretation but it has little to do with my point yet again.
No is talking about houses destroyed, I'm talking about glass being shattered. And damn, my point is not about the visuals lmao.
Who denied it???
