Jujutsu Kaisen: Cleave

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Fairly simple thread. Lightning, a veritable translator and official translator for JJK 236, recently translated Cleave’s exposition, which is explicitly stated to adjust to the opponent’s durability to cut them, which is further supported by 246, where it’s stated Cleave is just outright indefensible.

As such, Sukuna and Yuta should be given Durability Negation with Cleave.

 

[Arkenis]

I think Limited fits better given all the requirements cleave has.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I think Limited fits better given all the requirements cleave has.

It’s just physical contact, though. With the exception of Yuta’s domain, which allows him to use CT’s unconditionally.

 

[Arkenis]

It’s just physical contact, though. With the exception of Yuta’s domain, which allows him to use CT’s unconditionally.

Physical contact is a limit. Also adjusting to ones toughness and ce difference is a limit too. We wouldn’t assume he could adjust to any tier or any substance.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Physical contact is not a limit.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Physical contact is not a limit.

I think he's trying to say having to touch someone to activate cleave is a limitation as opposed to hin not having to make physical contact and simply casting cleave at any point in time. In a sense, you can apply it as a limitation.

 

[Arkenis]

Physical contact is not a limit.

What are limit labels on abilities for? I thought it was for abilities that require a certain action or condition to be met to be done.

 

[Damage3245]

I don't think that this is total Durability Negation. Yuta uses Cleave against Sukuna's head and it leaves only shallow cuts.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Cleave also depends on the output. Sukuna killed Ryu with a Cleave and less durable characters than Ryu like Yuta are able to “tank” Cleave.

15F Meguna = kills Ryu

20F Weakened Sukuna = can’t kill Yuta

Both with Cleave.

 

[M3X_2.0]

What are limit labels on abilities for? I thought it was for abilities that require a certain action or condition to be met to be done.

? That’s not a limit it’s just how it works. Cleave is a touch-based ability. Simple as that.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

What are limit labels on abilities for? I thought it was for abilities that require a certain action or condition to be met to be done.

Limited just means an ability can only be used in some hyper-specific way iirc. Cleave being touch based doesn't make it limited, it's just a weakness of the technique

 

[Arceus0x]

If touch was a limit everyone with any ability along the lines of fire, water, planet, energy ect manipulation would only have it as limited even if they're a god of that element lmao

 

[M3X_2.0]

I mean, it’s not even a weakness. It’s just how Cleave works. It’s a touch based ability and IIRC it was never showed to be a weakness of some sort.

If touch was a limit everyone with any ability along the lines of fire, water, planet, energy ect manipulation would only have it as limited even if they're a god of that element lmao

Also this.

 

[Arkenis]

? That’s not a limit it’s just how it works. Cleave is a touch-based ability. Simple as that.

A limit then.

We could look at other dura negs some are probably mislabeled but Naruto’s dura neg is limited even though “that’s just how it works”

Limited Durability Negation (Can ignore the outer defense of targets and accurately perform internal damage by sending chakra waves into them with Frog Strike)

Limited just means an ability can only be used in some hyper-specific way iirc. Cleave being touch based doesn't make it limited, it's just a weakness of the technique

Read up. Its not about hyper specific, its about how its done and that its from a specific ability/technique.

If touch was a limit everyone with any ability along the lines of fire, water, planet, energy ect manipulation would only have it as limited even if they're a god of that element lmao

No one is saying touch is a limitation in general, its the limitation specifically mentioned for Cleave.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Nah. We're adding "Limited" to the dura neg but not because of touching.

 

[LaserPrecision]

A limit then.

A limited ability doesn't mean that the ability is used via a specific application. An example of a "Limited" ability would be Mind Control that works only on a specific type of person (Say it only works on people of a certain blood type). The way in which the ability is applied is less relevant. Otherwise you could argue almost any ability ever is limited simply because its application could be more efficient. All Cursed Techniques? Limited because they requires hand gestures. That's an example that wouldn't work.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I don't think that this is total Durability Negation. Yuta uses Cleave against Sukuna's head and it leaves only shallow cuts.

Yeah, but it still pierced his skin. Same as Thin Ice Breaker.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Isn't Adaptation already covers this?

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah I'd so. This is like dura neg with three steps

 

[Galvino]

Cleave also depends on the output. Sukuna killed Ryu with a Cleave and less durable characters than Ryu like Yuta are able to “tank” Cleave.

Is it stated that Ryu's durability is still higher than current Yuta? Reason I ask is because wasn't it stated in the recent Yuta fight that all the students trained their defenses during the timeskip and thus are now able to take Sukuna's attacks better?

 

[Armorchompy]

Why is adjusting to one's durability duraneg? That'd be ignoring it altogether, not responding to it. If anything this should be Damage Boost or RPL (for the move specifically) EDIT: Yeah adaptation too

Also do NOT link to twitter scans, that shit goes down really often

 

[Rez]

This looks like the same situation as Fiamma and his attacks are not treated as durability negation.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Why is adjusting to one's durability duraneg? That'd be ignoring it altogether, not responding to it. If anything this should be Damage Boost or RPL (for the move specifically)

Isn't Adaptation already covers this?

^
His profile has adaptation. Yeah I don't see the point of giving dura neg

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I don’t see why it exclusively has to be one or the other. It can adapt to the toughness of the enemy, thus making reinforcement useless, as the technique itself indefensible.

 

[Armorchompy]

none of that negates durability, though, it just adapts to it. It also doesn't mean the adaptation has no roof, which is a pretty important distinction compared to duraneg which is assumed to work on any level of dura

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

none of that negates durability, though, it just adapts to it. It also doesn't mean the adaptation has no roof, which is a pretty important distinction compared to duraneg which is assumed to work on any level of dura

Yeah, but it’s just outright stated cursed energy reinforcement can’t protect you from it, which amplifies your durability.

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah, but it’s just outright stated cursed energy reinforcement can’t protect you from it, which amplifies your durability.

Because it adjusts to one's curse energy level, not because it's bypassing durability.

All Sukuna's cleave does is put itself on or above the level of the target.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Because it adjusts to one's curse energy level, not because it's bypassing durability.

All Sukuna's cleave does is put itself on or above the level of the target.

Eh, I’m too lazy to continue arguing this further, adaption is fine.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Is it stated that Ryu's durability is still higher than current Yuta?

Yes

 

[SchroKatze]

This is just "pour more power into it if the target is too tough", not durability negation

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

yeah no. Cleave isn't necessarily a durability negation like many people think. That's why domain amped cleave is doing little to gojo as individual slashes, causing at best paper cuts, whereas thousands of them raining down on gojo is making it more impressive - Nonetheless the point is that, it isn't durability negation like many think it is.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Eh, I’m too lazy to continue arguing this further, adaption is fine.

 

[Pizzagod342]

It isn’t negating or ignoring durability. Just adapting to it.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Adaptation or Damage Boost makes more sense than Durability Negation, given that it's adapting to the target's durability rather than ignoring it

 

[Axxtentacle]

Considering we see Yuta and Sukuna both take a Cleave and not get cut through like butter, you can pretty safely say it's not durability negation.

 

[SuperStar]

Disagree fra

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

I agree

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Eh, I’m too lazy to continue arguing this further, adaption is fine.

I’m not sure why this keeps getting input.

 

[Ped2018]

Mfs don't read

 

[Arkenis]

Limited just means an ability can only be used in some hyper-specific way iirc. Cleave being touch based doesn't make it limited, it's just a weakness of the technique

none of that negates durability, though, it just adapts to it. It also doesn't mean the adaptation has no roof, which is a pretty important distinction compared to duraneg which is assumed to work on any level of dura

Could one of ya close this?